Forestluv

I’m watching from the 5D peanut gallery ?

Of course you can @pluto You’re good. Sometimes my mind has difficulty flipping from technical to creative.

For the spectators of this thread. . . notice the intersection of intelligence identity and gender identity in a few of the above posts. These two often overlap and are within a higher order personal identity. All of which the human psychological self will seek to define and protect as “me”. This identity is inherently illusory/groundless which creates a sense of insecurity and need to protect for it’s survival (survival of both the psychological self and the physical body). At a “trans-personal” level, there is dis-identified awareness of this psychological dynamic playing out.

You have created a person you refer to as “serotoninluv” that you assume is a character in a movie playing in your head. What you are not aware of is that I am actually a different character in a different movie with a different plot. Due to your assumption, your question is rather silly.

My car keys are always at the last place I put them.

“Intelligence” is one of the major human identities and a source of insecurity. I went to a psychology talk in which the speaker described insecurity of intelligence to be one of the strongest insecurities in males. He presented research suggesting that men with subconscious insecurities of their intelligence have higher tendencies to be domineering (particularly to women). The idea is that they are trying to compensate for a self-perceived deficiency and insecurity. It’s no surprise to me that many people get personally triggered and elicit strong emotional responses about intelligence. And grasp at metrics like IQ for a sense of grounding as a measure of intelligence and self worth. It’s a core feature of many people’s identity and self-perceived worth. Similar to how some people are strongly identified and/or insecure regarding gender.

Cut out the middle-man. You have access to what Jesus, Buddha and every sage had access to. Go prior to Jesus, Buddha etc. to their source. You are allowed to do that, because you are that source. You will not fully realize this if you put a person between you and the source, because separate yourself from the source - your True nature.

It’s harder to evolve upward when one’s basic needs aren't met. If a Being is consumed with trying to meet their basic needs it’s hard to evolve past green.

Ken Wilber’s take; https://integrallife.com/the-heart-of-christ-consciousness/

@Shiva I’d love it if more scientists tripped. It would make our science conferences so much more interesting ☺️

@Keyhole She did mention she has an etsy site for her work. I will ask her for the link. She’s actually leaving for a two week trip today, so I’m not sure how responsive she will be. One thing you might find interesting. She talked about the aliveness of plants/trees and how she tries to channel that into her paintings. I mentioned communicating with plants/trees and I kinda lost her. So I think she has more of a deep appreciation and sense of shared beingness in nature.

Yep. She got deeply involved in expression through the art of nature. She will go deep into nature for weeks and paint all day long. The way she described her conscious states sounded like psychedelic states. That’s how the topic came up. I was like “there is more than brush strokes going on here. This gal must be trippin”. So I asked her. . . When I said her descriptions sounded like psychedelic-induced states, she paused and reflected and said that her prior lsd use may have opened up doors of perception which now allows her access to dimensions she would otherwise access.

@anonymous I think of it as more expansive and aware. And yea, there is a form of power with that - yet it is not a self-seeking type of power. It is more of a wise, visionary type of power. A key element in transitioning to yellow is awareness of personal self dynamics. There is an energetic shift away from self-seeking needs. Yellow still has fundamental survival needs, yet they don’t perceive the world through a self-seeking lens. Tier1 pays attention and interprets it’s environment through a “me” lens. It is not interested in things not relevant to itself. Tier2 has a much wider lens and notices much more in their environment. They are much more curious about the world around them and love making interconnections and integrating components into holistic views. It’s where stuff gets fun. I’d much rather go camping with a yellow/turquoise friend than one at blue/orange.

@Annoynymous Imagine going to a football game with two friends. One friend is a super fan for The Wildcats, the other friend is a super fan of the opposing team, The Bears. Each friend is wearing team gear and painted their faces team colors. They argued the entire way to the football game. You are not a fan of either team. You just like the sport of football and enjoy watching a good game and talking about strategies. As the game is played, which of the three spectators will be most objective in judging wether the referees make fair calls?

The Goldilock bears. From the wiki description: ”What was originally a frightening oral tale became a cozy family story with only a hint of menace.” Not too far off from psychedelics ?

@Shroomdoctor Just a thought. . . Sometimes personal development work is uncomfortable and kinda sucks. Yet it’s not an ongoing suffer-fest. If I’m caught in a personal development rut in which everyday has “an issue of the day” and people around me keep asking “what’s wrong? Are you ok?” - it’s an indicator I need to mix it up. A few fun/stimulating ways I’ve done personal development: — Taking a solo trip — Training for a marathon — Joining a meditation community — Hiking to every waterfall within a 2hr drive of my house. You can be creative and create a personal development atmosphere that is fun and excites you.

@Leo Gura I think this may be a good example of the dynamics you describe. Below is a clip from a senate confirmation hearing of a Raytheon defense contractor lobbyist for the position of secretary of defense. Elizabeth Warren described how the current structure allows for potential conflicts of interest since a loophole would allow the secretary to personally engage with Raytheon while secretary of defense. Warren asks if the potential secretary would be willing to distance himself from Raytheon defense contracting for a period of time related to his position as a defense secretary (as other secretaries have been contractually required to do). To me, the basic essence came across as impersonal principles of ethics and conflict of interest. Yet the republicans in the hearing were strongly reactionary and personalized it - saying that this nominee is a man of integrity and that Warren is rude by calling him dishonest. The chairman even apologized for the terrible treatment he received from Warren. To me, this seems like a collective ego at play and this type of personification can be a distraction from the underlying issue that we need structural frameworks to discourage conflict of interest. Erosion of that framework allows for corruption and dysfunctional government.

@Angelo John Gage @kieranperez I think it’s a tricky subject with various degrees. In one sense there can be a sudden awakening of “hey, I’m creating my own reality and I don’t need to beat myself up anymore”. A deep clear awakening can release a lot. In another sense, there can be deeply ingrained programming and even after realizing the irrational nature of the thoughts, the thought impulses still arise. Realizing and then letting go of these intrusive thoughts can be frustrating and tiresome. After a while, they lesson for me . . Yet my father’s critical voice lived rent-free in my head for many years in spite of all the eviction notices I sent. . .

What do each of those adorable bears represent ? ?

@student I like the image of a camera. A camera can capture an aspect if IS-ness. Yet have you ever noticed that a picture can’t quite capture it all? . . I was in Sedona two weeks ago basking in the essence, energetics, vibrations of all around me. I wanted to capture this essence with a few photos, so I could re-experience it later. Yet the pictures couldn’t capture it all. They are pretty pictures, yet they can’t capture the totality of actual aliveness Now. It’s similar with the mystical nature of Now. Sometimes there is a mystical appearance that seems extraordinary and my mind wants to “capture” it. Well, I can’t bust out my iPhone and take a picture of a mystical experience. So my mind tries to capture it by creating a thought story about it. “I was mediating in nature and then I dissolved and went into this lucid state and there was no me, just awareness of another magical dimension. There is nothing “wrong” with that, just as there is nothing wrong with taking a picture. Yet just as the picture cannot capture the full essence of the atmosphere, a thought story of an experience cannot capture the full essence of the direct experience occurring Now. Sometimes it’s nice to take pictures and create thought stories of experience. Other times, it’s nice to leave my iPhone and my thinking mind in the car and take a hike just being the infinite totality of Now.

Beautiful. I have such a poor sense of direction. Those breadcrumbs come in handy ? It seems many humans would prefer using GPS to get to a destination. . .

@Angelo John Gage Wow, such a great video on the psychological dynamics of self abuse. I think this has a lot of practical value and is a very common dynamic in society. I like how you described it as self punishment. I think it can be intensified in people surrounded with highly judgemental/critical/punishing people in their lives. Yet as you indicate, we need to recognize it, take responsibility and develop beyond it. At one point in my life, I realized “If I was as abusive to others as I am to myself, I would be locked up in jail right now”. Another insight: it is really hard to be kind to others when one is abusive to themself. Sometimes when I see people being mean to others, I can feel that they are mean to themself. From a nondual perspective, there is no difference between being mean to oneself and being mean to another.

@Shaun If you create a rule, someone will likely break it. . .

That’s a good point. “Reveal” is probably a better description than “induce”. For example, they can reveal a previous sense of prior conditioning/identification of being a separate self and being trapped. It seems like prior conditioning and patterns are a major variable in what manifests. Perhaps similar to dreams. Most of my dreams have some connection to my waking life. And it doesn’t seem like there is an “internal” world of the person tripping and an “external” world the person is tripping in. All inter-related. There are now so many variables floating around in my head I can’t describe it coherently ? Ultimately, they are human constructed thought/image stories arising in my mind.

@Nahm We humans love to create and tell human stories ?