Forestluv

Cut out the middle-man. You have access to what Jesus, Buddha and every sage had access to. Go prior to Jesus, Buddha etc. to their source. You are allowed to do that, because you are that source. You will not fully realize this if you put a person between you and the source, because separate yourself from the source - your True nature.

It’s harder to evolve upward when one’s basic needs aren't met. If a Being is consumed with trying to meet their basic needs it’s hard to evolve past green.

Ken Wilber’s take; https://integrallife.com/the-heart-of-christ-consciousness/

@Shiva I’d love it if more scientists tripped. It would make our science conferences so much more interesting ☺️

@Keyhole She did mention she has an etsy site for her work. I will ask her for the link. She’s actually leaving for a two week trip today, so I’m not sure how responsive she will be. One thing you might find interesting. She talked about the aliveness of plants/trees and how she tries to channel that into her paintings. I mentioned communicating with plants/trees and I kinda lost her. So I think she has more of a deep appreciation and sense of shared beingness in nature.

Yep. She got deeply involved in expression through the art of nature. She will go deep into nature for weeks and paint all day long. The way she described her conscious states sounded like psychedelic states. That’s how the topic came up. I was like “there is more than brush strokes going on here. This gal must be trippin”. So I asked her. . . When I said her descriptions sounded like psychedelic-induced states, she paused and reflected and said that her prior lsd use may have opened up doors of perception which now allows her access to dimensions she would otherwise access.

@anonymous I think of it as more expansive and aware. And yea, there is a form of power with that - yet it is not a self-seeking type of power. It is more of a wise, visionary type of power. A key element in transitioning to yellow is awareness of personal self dynamics. There is an energetic shift away from self-seeking needs. Yellow still has fundamental survival needs, yet they don’t perceive the world through a self-seeking lens. Tier1 pays attention and interprets it’s environment through a “me” lens. It is not interested in things not relevant to itself. Tier2 has a much wider lens and notices much more in their environment. They are much more curious about the world around them and love making interconnections and integrating components into holistic views. It’s where stuff gets fun. I’d much rather go camping with a yellow/turquoise friend than one at blue/orange.

@Annoynymous Imagine going to a football game with two friends. One friend is a super fan for The Wildcats, the other friend is a super fan of the opposing team, The Bears. Each friend is wearing team gear and painted their faces team colors. They argued the entire way to the football game. You are not a fan of either team. You just like the sport of football and enjoy watching a good game and talking about strategies. As the game is played, which of the three spectators will be most objective in judging wether the referees make fair calls?

The Goldilock bears. From the wiki description: ”What was originally a frightening oral tale became a cozy family story with only a hint of menace.” Not too far off from psychedelics ?

@Shroomdoctor Just a thought. . . Sometimes personal development work is uncomfortable and kinda sucks. Yet it’s not an ongoing suffer-fest. If I’m caught in a personal development rut in which everyday has “an issue of the day” and people around me keep asking “what’s wrong? Are you ok?” - it’s an indicator I need to mix it up. A few fun/stimulating ways I’ve done personal development: — Taking a solo trip — Training for a marathon — Joining a meditation community — Hiking to every waterfall within a 2hr drive of my house. You can be creative and create a personal development atmosphere that is fun and excites you.

@Leo Gura I think this may be a good example of the dynamics you describe. Below is a clip from a senate confirmation hearing of a Raytheon defense contractor lobbyist for the position of secretary of defense. Elizabeth Warren described how the current structure allows for potential conflicts of interest since a loophole would allow the secretary to personally engage with Raytheon while secretary of defense. Warren asks if the potential secretary would be willing to distance himself from Raytheon defense contracting for a period of time related to his position as a defense secretary (as other secretaries have been contractually required to do). To me, the basic essence came across as impersonal principles of ethics and conflict of interest. Yet the republicans in the hearing were strongly reactionary and personalized it - saying that this nominee is a man of integrity and that Warren is rude by calling him dishonest. The chairman even apologized for the terrible treatment he received from Warren. To me, this seems like a collective ego at play and this type of personification can be a distraction from the underlying issue that we need structural frameworks to discourage conflict of interest. Erosion of that framework allows for corruption and dysfunctional government.

@Angelo John Gage @kieranperez I think it’s a tricky subject with various degrees. In one sense there can be a sudden awakening of “hey, I’m creating my own reality and I don’t need to beat myself up anymore”. A deep clear awakening can release a lot. In another sense, there can be deeply ingrained programming and even after realizing the irrational nature of the thoughts, the thought impulses still arise. Realizing and then letting go of these intrusive thoughts can be frustrating and tiresome. After a while, they lesson for me . . Yet my father’s critical voice lived rent-free in my head for many years in spite of all the eviction notices I sent. . .

What do each of those adorable bears represent ? ?

@student I like the image of a camera. A camera can capture an aspect if IS-ness. Yet have you ever noticed that a picture can’t quite capture it all? . . I was in Sedona two weeks ago basking in the essence, energetics, vibrations of all around me. I wanted to capture this essence with a few photos, so I could re-experience it later. Yet the pictures couldn’t capture it all. They are pretty pictures, yet they can’t capture the totality of actual aliveness Now. It’s similar with the mystical nature of Now. Sometimes there is a mystical appearance that seems extraordinary and my mind wants to “capture” it. Well, I can’t bust out my iPhone and take a picture of a mystical experience. So my mind tries to capture it by creating a thought story about it. “I was mediating in nature and then I dissolved and went into this lucid state and there was no me, just awareness of another magical dimension. There is nothing “wrong” with that, just as there is nothing wrong with taking a picture. Yet just as the picture cannot capture the full essence of the atmosphere, a thought story of an experience cannot capture the full essence of the direct experience occurring Now. Sometimes it’s nice to take pictures and create thought stories of experience. Other times, it’s nice to leave my iPhone and my thinking mind in the car and take a hike just being the infinite totality of Now.

Beautiful. I have such a poor sense of direction. Those breadcrumbs come in handy ? It seems many humans would prefer using GPS to get to a destination. . .

@Angelo John Gage Wow, such a great video on the psychological dynamics of self abuse. I think this has a lot of practical value and is a very common dynamic in society. I like how you described it as self punishment. I think it can be intensified in people surrounded with highly judgemental/critical/punishing people in their lives. Yet as you indicate, we need to recognize it, take responsibility and develop beyond it. At one point in my life, I realized “If I was as abusive to others as I am to myself, I would be locked up in jail right now”. Another insight: it is really hard to be kind to others when one is abusive to themself. Sometimes when I see people being mean to others, I can feel that they are mean to themself. From a nondual perspective, there is no difference between being mean to oneself and being mean to another.

@Shaun If you create a rule, someone will likely break it. . .

That’s a good point. “Reveal” is probably a better description than “induce”. For example, they can reveal a previous sense of prior conditioning/identification of being a separate self and being trapped. It seems like prior conditioning and patterns are a major variable in what manifests. Perhaps similar to dreams. Most of my dreams have some connection to my waking life. And it doesn’t seem like there is an “internal” world of the person tripping and an “external” world the person is tripping in. All inter-related. There are now so many variables floating around in my head I can’t describe it coherently ? Ultimately, they are human constructed thought/image stories arising in my mind.

@Nahm We humans love to create and tell human stories ?

Fundamentally/energetically is relative. How a particular mind-body fundamentally/energetically resonates with psychedelics is relative and involves many variables. For some mind-bodies in certain settings it can induce expansive liberation, in other mind-bodies it can induce trauma. @Shadowraix Same with me. Psychedelics resonated well with me and were an amazing growth tool. I assumed that’s just how it was. I now realize not everyone resonates like me. There are many forms of resonance and many variables. And it’s not because “they weren’t ready”, “not conscious enough” or “unwilling to surrender”. They just didn’t resonate with psyches like I did. . . I’m now more cautious how I discuss psyches with newbies. What I find equally fascinating is that the same mind-body can resonate differently at different times. I’ve had many different resonances with psyches ranging from pure live and bliss to a horror show. . . For a couple years, cannabis raised my conscious level allowing increased resonance and opening up dimensions in nature and yoga. Then the resonance suddenly changed and it started inducing contraction into personality, anxiety and paranoia. Life is so bizarre at times.

@pluto It’s relative to the person and involves many variables. I’ve met people who cured their neurosis and spiritually expanded with psychedelics. And yesterday, I took a walk in a park with a woman who ended up in a psychiatric hospital for an extended period after a bunch of trips. . .

Consider that enlightenment could be transcendent of a personality, such that the person does not become enlightened. Rather, the person appears within enlightenment. Could a human-mind body realize it is within enlightenment? Sure. After this realization, could impulses of anxiety, fear, frustration etc. arise within the mind body? Yep. Since the realization is trans-personal, it is often related to a dissolution of the personality, since awareness of the illusory/imaginative/dreamlike nature of the personality is revealed. There is often an energetic shift away from self-seeking. Yet impulses that humans like to categorize as “bad” can still arise in human mind-body (such as frustration and insecurity). The mind-body is highly conditioned and within a society that may reinforce and encourage that conditioning. Even after the awareness is revealed the mind-body still has potential for development at the personal level. Yet the “essence” of enlightenment can be a “game-changer” in which much of the divisive personality dynamics dissolve. Imo, this is the biggest misconception for a seeker. That the person gets a thing called “enlightenment”. They see others who they think have gotten this enlightenment thing and think it should look a certain way (peaceful, blissful etc.). Self-seeking for an imaginary thing called enlightenment can provide a person motivation, yet it’s also kinda a wild goose chase. Kinda like searching for your glasses and then realizing they were on your face the whole time. Yet most humans have a need for the search as this keeps awareness contracted within a personality and keeps the ego relevant and in the game. Enlightenment isn’t something an illusory person gets. The personality is a human construct composed of appearances. There is no stable thing called a person that catches enlightenment. Rather, there are personality appearances within enlightenment. I’ve experienced expansive consciousness beyond human form that was inexplicably beautiful. I’ve also experienced contracted consciousness of inexplicable anxiety and terror in which the mind-body desired to kill itself to make it stop. Enlightenment was equally present in both situations.

@QandC Who is observing the ego and creating a story about it?

@TrynaBeTurquoise I’ve had psychedelic-induced conscious states that I call “trans-human” because that is how it seems upon “return” to the human mind-body. The human mind-body has certain limits, yet it has much more potential than we are aware of. I think the question of how the different effects of psychedelics relate to the human psyche is an interesting one from a human perspective. I’ve done about a dozen different forms of psychedelics and know the different essences of spirits you describe. I don’t think it is “actual” by how the human mind perceives and contextualizes “actuality”. I think it is an “actuality” beyond human contextualization at this time of human evolution. Perhaps in 200 years, humans will have explored these realms and have a better understanding. The question of whether access to these dimensions are psychedelic-dependent is one have explored and contemplated and my sense is “no”, that they are not psychedelic-dependent - but it sure as heck helps. Ime, when the ego/person/human contextualization machine is consistently dissolved to such a degree that it isn’t appearing while sober, there is a greater chance of “accessing” these dimensions. I did 5-Meo 24 days straight, with only a few days off. One thing I noticed was that as consciousness contracted back into human form, there was a human contextualization into a human “experience”. This tendency of contextualization began to dissolve and after about 10 days disappeared and there was what I now contextualize as “trans-human” consciousness though out the day (even sober). In other words, the “god-consciousness” stuck. The last “regular” thoughts I had from a human person perspective was sitting down on my meditation cushion to vape as I did each day and there was a realization that “I” didn’t know if I had vaped already or not. The duality between “sober” and “5-Meo” perception and contextualization broke down. Concepts like “breakthrough” dissolved as there was no distinction between “pre” and “post” breakthrough. It was permanent “breakthrough”. Multi-dimensional phenomena occurred throughout the day, even when I was sober. For weeks straight. Yet I’m not sure how how to contextualize this relative to the human mind-body. From a human perspective, I would say there is a relationship with a particular mind-body and resonance. The experiences that Leo has recently described that seem extraordinary or unbelievable to many, seem completely normal and ordinary to me. In part because forms of extraordinary and unbelievable would manifest throughout the day for me. Yet these manifestations have been different than what others with a high baseline conscious level describe, so perhaps there are different “flavors” that human mind-bodies resonate with. This would relate to the relative nature of reality and I don’t think all beings would need to “access” the same dimensions to show “actual existence”. This idea is within a contracted human contextualization. For example, the physical land and culture we refer to as India “actually exists” and any of us can venture there. Yet that criteria of “actual existence” is within a human perceptual framework and there is a more expansive “actual existence” beyond these human constructed parameters. Should we assume a finite human mind can define “actual existence”? How will humans define “actual existence” in 200 years? With that said, psychedelics definitely alter my resonance dynamics. I don’t need much, yet there is also desire in my mind-body to do it “naturally”. I’ve been taking a break from psychedelics and working on developing abilities without psyches. At times it’s been difficult to be off “the juice” because my resonance level seems muted and I can’t just turn it on at will. At times, I feel like a wizard without my wand. Yet, I feel a desire to develop what has been revealed to me naturally, so I can access and fully embody it sober. . . I still drift into dimensions sober that I previously could only access with psychedelics. These appearances used to cause distress in the mind-body as it seemed like a “flashback” or I was losing my mind. Yet now, it seems pretty normal.The body no longer reacts as if it is an amazing occurrence. It’s more like being conscious of a lucid dream.

At the human level, this is a common question and has appeared in my mind many times. I think it boils down to the criteria you are using for the construct of “actual existence”.