Forestluv

I’ve got a friend who says she’s always been oriented backwards from most people. She was always oriented toward perceiving nondually and had to put effort in learning duality. Stuff like creating a character within a timeline and relating to people and things with a clear sense of separation. She’s noticed many people these days struggling to understand and experience nonduality (and even take drugs to do so). This seems odd to her since for her nonduality is more natural and she has to work toward duality. Just being in her presence elevates my resonance by about 20 ug of lsd. It may seem like a spiritual gift, yet it’s also seemed to cause a lot of practical difficulties in her life.

@d0ornokey To me it sounds like a dosage and balance issue. The higher the dose, the more potential there is for experiences to arise that are difficult to integrate and can be destabilizing. Many of my higher dose trips were whacky and destabilizing and I reduced dosage. Many of my moderate dose trips yielded insights and expanded my perspective. Rather than a goal of “experiencing God”, I would explore having non-dual and mystical experiences. These are quite amazing. I would bump the dose up to the 20-50ug range a couple times. In this range, one is still grounded, yet can explore nondual experiences, like a collective conscious. And tons of insights, wisdom and inter-connections can be revealed. And it probably won’t trigger a major destabilizing identity crisis. . . .Perhaps combine it with mediation or time in nature. It may satisfy your curiosity. If you get grounded with this, you may want to try upping the dose once. Nondual experiences are common at low to medium ranges, depending on the person. Higher doses surely will, yet I would not expect to have a pure clear “god-conscious / absolute infinity” experience by dosing high. I’d say I had about 30 trips or so of many nondual facets before I had a pure absolute infinity type experience.

I’m imagining moderately talented people who are right under the threshold of a mystical experience / revelation. Perhaps they have mediated a few months and have caught a few mystical glimpses that didn’t seem to stick. I wonder if microdosing psychedelics could boost them up to the highly talented group getting mystical experiences weekly. My sense is that there is a decent sized population of people that might resonate well with micro/mini doses. They might have a strong aversion to regular doses, yet be open to a min-dose, especially as it becomes more accepted and mainstream.

Not at all. Yellow can use various modes including blue binary, orange logic and yellow relativism. As an analogy, a carpenter can use a screwdriver, hammer or saw as needed. They can use whichever tool is appropriate for a given situation.. One mode is not “superior” to another. Rather, it is a course of development. People learn algebra before calculus, yet they don’t stop using algebra when using calculus. Similarly, people learn binary thinking before logical thinking, yet they don’t stop using binary thinking when using logical thinking. However, someone centered in blue will struggle with orange level logical thinking. This is obvious to someone proficient in logical thinking. It would be like If a handyman was trying to cut a board of wood with a screwdriver - it would be pretty obvious he didn’t know how to use a saw.

A core component of Yellow is an understanding of relativism. Based on your responses of the article, you don’t seem to have developed this understanding. I view this as the major limiting factor in my discourse with you. You seem to primarily use a blue-level binary mode, are unstable with orange-level continuums and are unaware of yellow-level relativism. In particular, you seem locked into a binary perspective of “same vs different” within a single context. Within this context, I didn’t disagree with most of what you said. The problem was being restricted to a single binary context and being unable to see meaning within multiple relative contexts. Each time I asked you consider degrees and contexts, you remained anchored in a binary mode. I’m unable to discuss the results and conclusions of the article with you in a restricted binary mode since I believe your relative interpretation is partially inaccurate. For those that would like to watch relevant yellow-level videos, I think these are good: “Sameness and difference”, “ recontextualization “ and “what is relativism”. This is one of the most important aspects of yellow level thinking. Green has a basic understanding of moral relativism. Yellow’s understanding of relativism is much broader and deeper.

@GenuinePerspectiveXC I didn’t say to read all the references cited in the article (no one would does that - that would be insane)., I recommended you read the article you linked. It’s only a few pages. To me, you don’t seem interested in exploring what the data reveals. You won’t even read and critique the article you yourself linked. You have taken a couple statements from the abstract and contextualized it into a particular narrative and refuse to examine this (even when the authors of the paper you linked warn against the contextualization you are using). Scientific abstracts are not a substitute for the article. Similar to how movie-trailers are not a substitute for the movie. Also, I would recommend reading the article with a critical mind. At times, science authors over-state their conclusions or describe it in a way that is not clear to their target audience. There is a peer-review system, yet stuff can slip through, especially for review articles. And lower tier journals often have a weaker peer-review system. If I was reviewing the article you linked for publication, there are a few critiques I would have for the authors to increase clarity. Don’t assume scientists are authorities on every matter. Many scientists are poor technical writers and some have pet theories they are attached to. I’ve been to science meetings that turned into blood-baths of debate . . .So read critically and evaluate. If you evolved beyond progressive, as you suggest, you would be at stage yellow. To me, you don’t seem to be expressing a yellow mindset.

A great video. She is at a high conscious level. Too high to win for now. Yet, I’m glad to see her voice in the conversation. I hope the “woo woo” caricature of her fades and she gets a position in a new administration if dems win. A short vid of MW on Face the Nation today

@FredFred Understanding and empathy ♥️

I watched a spider weave an intricate web on my kitchen window. So amazing.

A great exercise I’ve done is each day take a couple of minutes to realize the extraordinary in the ordinary. For example, I might be walking by some ordinary wild flowers in nature. I’ll pause and for a few minutes closely observe. I begin to notice all sorts of amazing things. The color patterning, the integration of symmetry and asymmetry, the highly detailed and intricate structure, it’s relationship with pollinating insects, it’s energy and essence. It’s impossible, yet happening. I’m blown away by the extraordinary nature of the ordinary. I’ve found intentionally doing this each day for a couple minutes has opened up doors and helped my sense of appreciation and well-being in life.

@krockerman “What is the default state of happiness when you become enlightened?” This contains a condition: when you become enlightened. It also assumes there is a thing called enlightenment a person can get. This thought story fuels energetic seeking to attain something a mind imagines that it doesn’t currently have. Personally, I’ve found it helpful to drop “when” and the imagined object of seeking. For example, “what is the default state of happiness in whatever is happening here and now?”.

@Zec It’s generally a good idea to practice some meditation prior to a meditation retreat. Meditation retreats often have multiple meditation sessions each day. This can be a lot to handle for someone who has little experience with meditation. Some meditation retreats are intended to accommodate beginners. Others are more appropriate for people with experience.

Like a sneaky squirrel ?

Some nice insights at 7:55 onward about relativity and identity protective cognition.

@GenuinePerspectiveXC You keep quoting from the abstract. You need to read the entire article and critically analyze the data and descriptions to put it in proper context. Not using terms in the proper context leads to misunderstanding. It seems like you are trying to recontextualize terms and statements to support a pre-conceived view that you hold. A mind which observes and explores data to see what it reveals is very different than a mind that seeks evidence to re-enforce and promote a pre-existing view.

@Kushu2000 I’m trying to illustrate you are seeing it as a personal consciousness. There is a “higher” level. I’m not disagreeing with you within your context

@Kushu2000 Is a character in your dream conscious!?

Be-Golden

@Schahin This is placing conditions upon enlightenment into an image of what enlightenment should look like. That’s like asking “if someone awakens to the ISness of Now, could they still experience frustration?” Of course, that is ISness just like joy and tuna sandwiches are ISness. In the context of personal development, there can still be underlying psychological dynamics that had been conditioned into the human mind and body. The mind and body may still experience anxiety and neuroses that involves work to resolve. However. . . I don’t mean to suggest that what I wrote here is true and it’s opposite is false.

@TheAvatarState I think the idea of music as a universal means of communication among humans and non-humans is super interesting. I don’t mean to be a technical metaphysical cop here and spoil the fun. ? I often notice animals communicating with each other via what I would consider music - such as bird songs and whale calls. Could plants and animals have forms of music humans are not “in tune with”? I often observe flying insects like butterflies dance together in the air. Are they in tune with a form of music humans are not? Could humans create music that resonates with animals and plants?

@TheAvatarState It depends if you want to draw distinctions or not. Is a jadakot relative? Well what the heck is a jadakot? We would need to make it a thing that is not another thing. We can create distinctions and say a jadakot is the size of a football and in the ocean. Now we have a thing relative to other things that are not the size of a football and are not in the ocean. Yet we don’t have a thing relative to other things the size of a football that live in the ocean. At this point, all things the size of a football in the ocean are jadakots. We could draw more distinctions if we wanted to. Simply creating the distinction of “music” already makes it relative in many contexts. For example, music is not a tuna fish sandwich. We can create an infinite number of distinctions and aspects of relativism.

@Pouya To me, the term “perspective” suggests a particular view that is not another alternative view. It also suggests personal ownership of the perspective. For example, his perspective from the balcony differs from her perspective in the garden. Or, her perspective on the value of psychotherapy for treatment differs than his. Yet in other areas, I’m not so sure. Yesterday, I was in the woods and was curious about a deer ahead. Is that a perspective? I tried to mimic bird calls by whistling. A perspective? I wondered what random thoughts would be like and stuff like “Naclof dajaff hisfid slojik” flowed through my mind and I wondered if it was nonsensical or “post logical” intuitive impulses arising that made sense in a way I couldn’t understand. It didn’t seem like a perspective, I also wondered how chubby bumble bees can fly. That didn’t seem like a perspective either. Just groundless stuff floating around through my mind without an owner.

Ignition

I realize this is a stereotype, yet it’s the first thing that popped in my mind: An “exotic” person and environment. A Native American (of the U.S) or South American. Dressed in a type of traditional clothing. There might be face paint or a mask. There is traditional music. The setting is in nature: the Sierra, desert, forest or jungle. There is burning of dried plants such as sage, yet not incense. There is mystical activity that seems like dream realms (this may or may not involve medicine/drugs).

Tongue-tied