Forestluv

How are you defining “success”?

@Blake You describe it as if one “flips” back and forth between dual and nondual. Ime, its not quite like that.

@Elisabeth He specifically makes a distinction of “moral reasoning” and gives examples of high level moral reasoning of morality in academics. This would still be an Orange stage of development. A very deep level of Orange. One line of development is reasoning. Another line of development is embodiment. A person can have a high level of reasoning without embodiment. It doesn’t surprise me at all that someone restricted to rational morality wouldn’t act on it if they are still within a self-centered mode motivated to meet self needs. That moral reasoning could actually be used to manipulate and justify their own immoral acts. In terms of SD developing through Green into tier 2 is crucial for the embodiment of that reasoning and integration if various modes of being, such as intuition and empathy.

I think there is a balance between the journey and the destination. As well, between being grounded and flexible. For example, someone might have a goal of running their first marathon next year and breaking 4:00 hr. If they dumped that goal after two weeks of training and started creating and dumping new goals every other their week, it’s not so great. They are like a doll flopping around in the ocean with no direction.. Yet I also don’t want to become hyper-focused on the outcome or have it become my identity. For example, what if my body started accumulating fatigue and minor injuries and I was so obsessed with the goal that I pressed on and seriously injured myself and tumbled into a dynamic about how I can’t follow through on goals and what will people think of me. . . .Yet the underlying fundamental goal was to have a goal that would excite me in which I could get in great physical shape, make new friends in the running community and travel. With this awareness, if minor injuries surfaced I would likely think about doing cross training such as cycling and yoga - since the deeper goal is to get healthy and have friendships in healthy communities. How that is expressed my change over time.

@Marinus Every dynamic is different. This is just my impression: it sounds like you have interest in progressing forward at a certain pace that is not aligned with hers. She mentioned something about her ex playing mind games as a reason for her behavior. My concern is that she is projecting an unhealthy aspect of her previous relationship(s) onto you and your relationship. If a woman was distancing her self from me because her ex was a manipulative gaslighter, that would be a red flag and concern me, because it ime it goes much deeper. I’ve dated women in which her exes where living rent-free in our relationships and it got frustrating and tiresome to keep saying “well I’m not your ex Ted and I’m not lying to you right now to manipulate you like he did”. It was a very unhealthy dynamic for communication because my words and behavior went through a filter of manipulate exes and it cloudied our communication. This can go deep. For example, it is deeply hurtful to tell your lover that you love them and they don’t believe you because their ex used to say that manipulatively. I wouldn’t be too concerned about the hesitance to sex. Having sex early in a relationship can change the dynamics. It just depends on the person. I’ve dated women that I really liked and it felt best to take things slow and get to know each other better - to build a foundation first. I would be much more concerned about her seeing you through the lens of manipulative exes. This conditioning can run deep and she may not be emotionally available. I’ve been on both sides of it. I dated a narcissist and it took me a year of being single and working through things before I was ready to be in a healthy relationship again. With that said, none of us is 100% pure and healthy. We all have some type of issue going on. If I connected with someone in multiple areas, I wouldn’t bolt at the first sign of trouble. I’d be cautious and observant to the degree of the issue and how open we are about resolving it and moving on. Perhaps, after a few more dates she becomes comfortable with you, trust is built and the ex fades into the background. Or perhaps this dynamic persists and rears it’s head in multiple areas of the relationship. As well, her interest in an LDR may also be reflective that you are at a distance and there is safety and comfort in that, which wouldn’t be good. Generally when two people like each other, they want to get to know each other better. She doesn’t seem to be showing much interest. She could be saying “I’m not into texting, but how about we talk on the phone or Skype?” As a test, you could mention that texting doesn’t seem to be the best mode of communication and offer to talk via phone or Skype. If she is excited by that possibility, my concern would decrease and I’d give it a shot. If she is lukewarm to the idea and just goes through the motions, my concern would double and I would re-evaluate things. In this case, the odds of it working out long term would extremely low and I would shift a short term dating mindset or change direction and look for someone else.

I agree with the above listed possibilities as being likely and that they would be red flags. I think there is another possibility that she might just be oriented that way. I dated someone for a while in which we only texted a few times each week. At first, the low volume texting was somewhat bothersome (high volume texting would also be bothersome to me) - yet that was just our dynamics. Early on, I may have texted something like “how did your presentation go?” and not hear back for three days. We settled into something in which we didn’t share our daily activities via text and it worked ok. . . .I’ve also dated other women in which long response times was problematic. I would text asking if she would like to get together this weekend and not hear back for three days. In that context, it’s a concern for me. I’m siting around for days holding off on other plans and holding up other people with “maybe I can”, as I wait for her to respond. Not a very healthy dynamic.

Ver nice! Thank you for creating and sharing this for us ? I love explanations of awakening and nonduality in the context of the stories we create and tell.

This is dependent on your understanding of “you”. We could say that there is a personal “you”. From this perspective, it would appear that there is a you that is alone and may feel lonely. Yet there is also awareness that this personal “you” is illusory. Once this is revealed, there is a transcendent shift in perspective and energetics. It is difficult to understand if someone is still immersed in a personal story of “you”. Nondual answers such as “You and God are both everything and nothing”will seem confusing and irrational. Ime, direct experience is more powerful in transcendence than thought stories and concepts. Yet I’ve found concepts to be helpful as a sense of grounding during consciousness expansion. Without this grounding, direct nondual and mystical experience can be dismissed as “woo woo” or can be excessively destabilizing. . .. Yet the mind can often finds stability and comfort in thoughts / concepts and becomes contracted in thought stories all day without realizing it.

That sounds beautiful. I haven’t seen that yet. I love both crystal and rainbows. I bet that would supercharge my grid. ? ? @Aakash One word is too many, a trillion words is not enough.

You seem to be drifting off into a storyland of thoughts. Such meandering can be fun and keep the mind entertained, yet it’s not the point.

There is no question. You made it up.

I used to think that clear crystal was the best. That is was the “real” crystal. I would seek the clearest crystal possible and was bothered by defects in clarity. Later, the crystal itself was revealed. It wasn’t about the absence of cloudiness and inclusions. There is a realization of the underlying crystal essence, which may include cloudiness and inclusions.

Nausea is a side effect to varying degrees. The only time I’ve purged is during an Ayahuasca ceremony - with pretty much everyone else. The leaders stressed that this is part of the medicine and healing. For me, there was an aspect of a movement toward pure love with the purging, yet it didn’t resonate with me as being necessary or some type of key to unlock a block.

Like the gopher in Caddyshack

Perhaps magnificence, extraordinary, magical

@assx95 I think his best foundational video is “65 core principles for living a good life”.

@Gili Trawangan Nice insights ?. You might be interested in @Faceless old posts. He wrote a lot about movements of thoughts.

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@electroBeam Perhaps you are particularly in tune with your environment. Someone immersed in a spiritual setting and community may naturally resonate and have mystical experiences. The same person may later get into a relationship with a narcissist and naturally resonate with that and enter some unhealthy psychological dynamics. It would seem natural talents would interact with environment since they are closely related (and both within the same whole).

I’ve got a friend who says she’s always been oriented backwards from most people. She was always oriented toward perceiving nondually and had to put effort in learning duality. Stuff like creating a character within a timeline and relating to people and things with a clear sense of separation. She’s noticed many people these days struggling to understand and experience nonduality (and even take drugs to do so). This seems odd to her since for her nonduality is more natural and she has to work toward duality. Just being in her presence elevates my resonance by about 20 ug of lsd. It may seem like a spiritual gift, yet it’s also seemed to cause a lot of practical difficulties in her life.

@d0ornokey To me it sounds like a dosage and balance issue. The higher the dose, the more potential there is for experiences to arise that are difficult to integrate and can be destabilizing. Many of my higher dose trips were whacky and destabilizing and I reduced dosage. Many of my moderate dose trips yielded insights and expanded my perspective. Rather than a goal of “experiencing God”, I would explore having non-dual and mystical experiences. These are quite amazing. I would bump the dose up to the 20-50ug range a couple times. In this range, one is still grounded, yet can explore nondual experiences, like a collective conscious. And tons of insights, wisdom and inter-connections can be revealed. And it probably won’t trigger a major destabilizing identity crisis. . . .Perhaps combine it with mediation or time in nature. It may satisfy your curiosity. If you get grounded with this, you may want to try upping the dose once. Nondual experiences are common at low to medium ranges, depending on the person. Higher doses surely will, yet I would not expect to have a pure clear “god-conscious / absolute infinity” experience by dosing high. I’d say I had about 30 trips or so of many nondual facets before I had a pure absolute infinity type experience.

I’m imagining moderately talented people who are right under the threshold of a mystical experience / revelation. Perhaps they have mediated a few months and have caught a few mystical glimpses that didn’t seem to stick. I wonder if microdosing psychedelics could boost them up to the highly talented group getting mystical experiences weekly. My sense is that there is a decent sized population of people that might resonate well with micro/mini doses. They might have a strong aversion to regular doses, yet be open to a min-dose, especially as it becomes more accepted and mainstream.

Not at all. Yellow can use various modes including blue binary, orange logic and yellow relativism. As an analogy, a carpenter can use a screwdriver, hammer or saw as needed. They can use whichever tool is appropriate for a given situation.. One mode is not “superior” to another. Rather, it is a course of development. People learn algebra before calculus, yet they don’t stop using algebra when using calculus. Similarly, people learn binary thinking before logical thinking, yet they don’t stop using binary thinking when using logical thinking. However, someone centered in blue will struggle with orange level logical thinking. This is obvious to someone proficient in logical thinking. It would be like If a handyman was trying to cut a board of wood with a screwdriver - it would be pretty obvious he didn’t know how to use a saw.

A core component of Yellow is an understanding of relativism. Based on your responses of the article, you don’t seem to have developed this understanding. I view this as the major limiting factor in my discourse with you. You seem to primarily use a blue-level binary mode, are unstable with orange-level continuums and are unaware of yellow-level relativism. In particular, you seem locked into a binary perspective of “same vs different” within a single context. Within this context, I didn’t disagree with most of what you said. The problem was being restricted to a single binary context and being unable to see meaning within multiple relative contexts. Each time I asked you consider degrees and contexts, you remained anchored in a binary mode. I’m unable to discuss the results and conclusions of the article with you in a restricted binary mode since I believe your relative interpretation is partially inaccurate. For those that would like to watch relevant yellow-level videos, I think these are good: “Sameness and difference”, “ recontextualization “ and “what is relativism”. This is one of the most important aspects of yellow level thinking. Green has a basic understanding of moral relativism. Yellow’s understanding of relativism is much broader and deeper.

@GenuinePerspectiveXC I didn’t say to read all the references cited in the article (no one would does that - that would be insane)., I recommended you read the article you linked. It’s only a few pages. To me, you don’t seem interested in exploring what the data reveals. You won’t even read and critique the article you yourself linked. You have taken a couple statements from the abstract and contextualized it into a particular narrative and refuse to examine this (even when the authors of the paper you linked warn against the contextualization you are using). Scientific abstracts are not a substitute for the article. Similar to how movie-trailers are not a substitute for the movie. Also, I would recommend reading the article with a critical mind. At times, science authors over-state their conclusions or describe it in a way that is not clear to their target audience. There is a peer-review system, yet stuff can slip through, especially for review articles. And lower tier journals often have a weaker peer-review system. If I was reviewing the article you linked for publication, there are a few critiques I would have for the authors to increase clarity. Don’t assume scientists are authorities on every matter. Many scientists are poor technical writers and some have pet theories they are attached to. I’ve been to science meetings that turned into blood-baths of debate . . .So read critically and evaluate. If you evolved beyond progressive, as you suggest, you would be at stage yellow. To me, you don’t seem to be expressing a yellow mindset.