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@VeganAwake Beautiful imagery

@Matt8800 What’s a good resource for turning it up?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.good.is/articles/obamas-achievements-in-office/amp

I would consider Schiff as a corporate dem that is part of a systemic problem. I would put Schiff's purity above Trump's, yet below Bernie's. This is just my view. . . I think the problem with focusing on one person is that it creates a contracted tunnel vision perspective. It's just really hard to get a meta view. I don't see Schiff as completely dishonest or completely honest. He has aspects of both. Yet if I focus on the impure aspects of Schiff, I won't be able to see the bigger picture. I would consider Schiff a mixed-bag politician who is part of a much larger system problem. If we impeach this guy, put that guy on trial, him to. . this is just "whack-a-mole" and doesn't get at the system problem. . . When I step back and look at the big picture, I would say that all of Trump's behavior is worthy of impeachment. If I zoom into misleading statements from a congressperson and become immersed in those statements, I can lose the big picture. The second tendency is to create personalities. think in opposites and categorized as "them". For example, if we focus on Schiff, it is tempting to create categories, take the opposite position and become contracted. For example, "Schiff is a liar. He misrepresented Trump's phone call. What a manipulative liar. He deserves to be on trial. He is dishonest and trying to impeach.". There are two traps here. One is to create an "us vs. them" dynamic: I am against Schiff and impeachment. The other trap is interpreting evidence through a filter which discredits Schiff - this will also discredit evidence". . .. It's easy to get into a contracted mindset. However, this isn't about Schiff. There is a bigger systemic problem going on and we won't be able to see that by focusing on Schiff. In the bigger picture, I see impeachment as an important step in remedying a much larger problem. Impeachment is only the beginning. Would I choose a different team to conduct the impeachment inquiry? Absolutely. Do I think corporate dems should be stripped of power and be held accountable for transgressions? Yes. As should Republicans. . . Yet when we look at the big picture, I think the strategy changes. In the big picture, I want to resolve systemic problems. On the systemic level, I would place impeaching Trump and getting him out of office as a much higher priority than going after corrupt congresspeople. There are hundreds of corrupt politicians in congress. At the systemic level, I don't think it is wise to invest in targeting specific politicians at this time because they are within widespread corruption. It would be a losing battle trying to get them to investigate themselves. To resolve systemic problems my priorities would be to first make a change in the executive branch. The executive branch has the most power and has the most influence on narrative. My top priority would be to remove Trump from office via impeachment/conviction or the 2020 election. Even a republican like Sanford or a centrist dem like Biden would stop the Trump bleeding, temporarily. My second priority is to get a structural change candidate in charge of the electorate. This will change the orientation and narrative. My top choice is Bernie. He is by far the purest candidate. He is has been rock solid for the people his entire life. He is a very special person and I doubt we will see another like Bernie for many years to come. He would be able to change the orientation. . . . My next priority would be to cutoff corporate-political corruption. I see political corruption like a cancer. If we kill off a few cancer cells, what happens? It grows back. Usually stronger. Rather, we need to cutoff the blood supply feeding the cancer. In politics, that blood supply is corporate/industrial/mega wealthy. An enormous amount of political corruption is through corporate/mega wealthy funding and lobbying. If we can neutralize it or cut it off, we would remove an ton of corruption - and that is more important to me than prosecuting individual persons. . . If there is progress in this area, I would next attempt to hold individual corrupt politicians accountable, through fines, shame, primaries, stripping them off committees etc.

Nice. I saw this coming . . . . An expansion beyond intellectual concepts The concepts have value, yet are the tip of the iceberg. This goes so far beyond the concepts. There an energetic shift and a transcendence of theory. The concepts can be useful, yet like you say - the concepts themselves become stale. When we get direct experience of "ISness", there is a magical energetic shift. Then the theory can become unattractive. This new energy of attraction is for more of the direct experience of "ISness" and there is a whole world to explore. I went through a stage in which all the seeking energy was oriented toward direct experience of magical ISness. I spent a lot of time in nature. There was no seeking energy to find truth through theory. . . The cool thing is when ISness wants to reveal itself through the mind-body via art, poetry, concepts. And how the resonance changes. I lost resonance with many types of spiritual expressions and new resonance appeared. For example, I resonated with the poet Matsuo Basho all of a sudden. I was like: this dude gets it. He knows. No theory. ISness expressing itself through Matsuo's poems. We experience the same eternal ISness of Now. Me and a 17th century Japanese poet. . . Sometimes there is an aspect of loneliness as it can be hard to connect with others. Yet when a transcendent connection arises it is super cool. A big steaming bowlful of YES There are different orientations. From an intellectual egoic orientation, one may say "All there is ISness. All this theory bullshit. It doesn't matter what I do. I might as well sit around all day and play games". This is a very different than a post-intellectual trans-egoic orientation that says "Everything is ISness. All this theory is bullshit. Let's directly experience the magic of ISness." Yepper. The empty nothingness is one facet within an infinite Truth. The next expansion is that you transcend authority to YOU. . . The transcendent YOU is the greatest teacher. And it gets even better. . . The direction I think you are heading. . . You realize YOU are all teachers and spiritual beings. You are buddha, You are Jesus, You are Alan Watts, You are every enlightened being that has ever lived. The groundlessness you desire is the source. It's the same source that all sages tapped into. Then things get really interesting. You become both creator and creation. Walk through the woods and BE the magical creation of Now. Notice how a babbling brook is an enlightened teacher. Watch one of Leo's videos and notice how You are teaching Yourself

There are two tiers of the Dem party: Orange Corporate establishment Dems (Neal, Pelosi, Schiff, Biden etc.) and Green progressive dems (Bernie Sanders, AOC). Green progressive Dems are highly critical of corporate Dems - ideally Green progressives want to break free of Orange establishment corporate dems. Green progressive dems want to impeach Trump, yet not as an isolated incident. Green progressive dems want to fundamentally restructure the government. For example, to shift power from the corporations to the people. This includes removal of Trump, yet that is just the beginning. They also seek to remove corporate corruption in politics and return the power to the people. I would say this is the core structural change for progressives because without neutralizing corporate corruption, none of their other major aims are possible. Progressives do not like Pelosi or Biden. They want to knock Biden out and elevate Bernie. Progressives view Biden more like an old school republican. They would also like to knock out corporate dems, such as Richard Neal and Pelosi - progressives are supporting primary opponents to corporate dems. . . Bernie is the purist example of a progressive dem. He is in a class by himself. A distant second is Elizabeth Warren. She has some legit progressive cred. - such as fighting against corporate corruption - yet she is not nearly as pure a progressive as Bernie.

I think SD is a stronger model at the social level than personal level

This is still using a binary construct. My answer is yes and no. It is more nuanced than "Schiff is either honest or dishonest". As well, personality dynamics are only one component. I explain different levels of conscious awareness from red to green above. Trump is red/blue and Schiff is orange.

Yes. A nugget of truth is used as grounding to frame deflection and obfuscation. Green also does this, yet to a much lesser degree of intensity than red/blue. For example, notice the reaction red/blue, orange and green has to trump. Red/blue binary: Trump's base of support. FoxNews and Briebert. Strong tribal identity. This is a witch-hunt. Trump did nothing wrong. Biden is corrupt and should be the one being investigated for his criminality. red/blue will not use much rational thinking and are not primarily interested in evidence. red/blue is immersed into a cultural identity dynamic of "us vs. them". Tribal identity and subconscious emotions drive behavior. A lack of critical thinking. Orange. Corporate dems. CNN, MSNBC. Evidence-based. Self-centered motivation for personal power and financial success. Desire to maintain status quo. . . Capacity for critical thinking. Trump has behaved wrongly based on this evidence. However, underlying motivation for personal gain and maintain status quo clouds judgement. . . Joe Biden has done nothing wrong (evidence is suspended by desire to maintain corporate status quo). Aspects of dishonesty motivated by desire to maintain power and status quo. Yet to a lesser degree than red/blue. Some motivation to do the right thing - mostly to uphold underlying blue values - such as governmental traditions, rule of law, hierarchies, checks and balances. Green. Progressives. TYT, Majority Report, Rebel HQ, Krystal Ball. . . Desire to maintain status quo is absent - this allows a clearer critical analysis of both republicans and corporate democrats. Better able to see degrees of wrongdoing and more conscious of how underlying emotions drive behavior. Can more clearly see wrong doings of both Trump and Biden and is critical of both - yet can see various degrees of wrong doing.

@Bodigger An aspect of Adam Schiff is a nugget of truth used as grounding for broader deflection and obfuscation. Part of this framing is to create a binary construct of honesty. Schiff is either honest or dishonest. If Schiff is dishonest, then one can extrapolate that the charges against Trump are dishonest. As well, if Schiff is dishonest then one can create a deflection in which Schiff should be the one undergoing a criminal investigation, not Trump. This is a simple blue-level binary message Trump is using and it resonates with a certain percentage of people. . . At Orange, we would add in nuances - like a continuum of honesty, degrees of honesty, a mosaic of honesty. As well, critical thinking enters at orange and orange is able to see how dots are connected. Yet not nearly at the Yellow level, yellow is a master at connecting dots. Green becomes aware of underlying emotional energies driving behavior as well as cultural relativity. Green also has new abilities of empathy and intuition. The combination of logical reasoning (orange) and empathy/intuition (green) allows green to see more clearly than blue - such as being able to detect underlying intent. As well, Green has a more expansive meta view relative to blue and orange, since green has evolved through blue and orange. It is a fascinating interplay between red/blue, center orange and upper orange/green.

Notice how thick the Blue is here: Second Amendment, Religion, Military, Border Wall, God-given rights, Citizen of the U.S. . . Trump is using Blue value messaging to resonate with Blue. . . Another thing about this dynamic. . . Notice how Trump has a lot of red. Red is much more self-centered than Blue. Red is so self-centered that it has very little sense of community. The transition into Blue involves a sense of community - a Blue community is more expansive than purple community, yet more contracted than green community. Trump is a mixture of red and blue. As such, he is very good at resonating with red/blue. A common dynamic of SD is that a person becomes aware of higher level values and uses that to manipulate others in an attempt to satisfy lower level desires. . . Here Trump's underlying red is fear, raw survival, aggression, desire to seriously harm opponents etc. He is aware of Blue values and is using those values manipulatively for self-centered reasons. There may be some authentic Blue energy, yet the underlying primary energy is red. This dynamic is not limited to red and blue. . . It occurs between various stages. For example, imagine an Orange level motivational speaker such as Tony Robbins. An Orange motivational speaker will be centered in personal empowerment, personal development, goal setting, personal achievement, success, recognition, fame, financial success etc. . . How could an Orange-centered motivational speaker like Robbins use Green to advance his Orange desires for more fame and financial success?. . . The Orange motivational speaker could become aware of what is occurring at Green - things like a broad sense of community, spirituality, yoga, empathy etc. Here we are looking at green from an Orange lens. . . How can we use green things to increase our personal popularity and financial income? Perhaps during seminars and workshops we can sprinkle in some Green. We could say things like "If you tap into spirituality, you can increase your personal power. A little meditation can increase your ability to focus allowing you to have greater personal success". Part of Robbin's personal empowerment programs involve a short period of meditation each day - yet the meditation is a visualization of personal achievement". . . So each stage can use higher stage values to advance their lower stage values. . . One other point. . . As we evolve up the spiral, the degree of unhealthy behavior decreases. In the example above, Trump's usage of blue values to satisfy his red desires is more intensely unhealthy than Robbins usage of green to satisfy his orange desires.

@SoonHei A nice frame for enlightenment.

This is an important transition from red to blue. If you want to develop above blue in Orange and Green, you will need to expand and add in some nuances and complexity. I wrote a bit about this in the post above. Re-framing using the "What about XYZ?" is a defense of deflection from this development process. It is a form of resistance found in every stage of consciousness development. @tentaYes, that is part of the dynamic. Notice how there are nuggets of truth within their narrative. It's a key part of the game they are playing. Those nuggets of truth provide grounding for the devilry. Without those nuggets of truth, grounding would be lost and the whole thing collapses. Many Trump opponents think Trump is 100% lying and delusional. He isn't. He needs a small percentage of truth as grounding for deflection and obfuscation.

@Robi Steel I think your model is rationalizing tradition and not considering personal and social dynamics of attachment, identification and resistance. In SD terms, Orange rationalizing Blue. For a yellow level model, consider integrating components of blue, orange and green to create a holistic, integrated model. For example, we could add components of Blue such as rule of law. As you said, rule of law is an important structural component to build a society. What aspects of orange and green could we add?. . . When we do this, be mindful of more nuances. For example, at Blue "rule of law" is very binary. Someone either breaks the law or obeys the law. Someone is either a criminal or non-criminal. Yet as we enter Orange and Green, the blue-level rule of law framework remains - yet we build upon it. For example, to this rule of law, we add in degrees/spectrums at Orange and relativity at Green. So, we still have blue-level rule of law, yet green rule of law will have more nuances and will look different than blue rule of law. We are developing a green expression of a blue value. . . In the context of SD evolution, we don't want to maintain the *tradition* of the blue level value. We want to use it as a substrate. For example, imagine a ball of clay. We are not discarding the clay, we are molding it into a new form. As well. . . what are some unhealthy aspects of blue we would want to phase out? What are some new Orange values we would want to add in? What are some new green values we would want to add in? . . . As we consider various experiences, perspectives, values and mix that with various modes of being such as binary thinking, logical thinking, empathy, intuition, relativity etc. - we can create an integrated holistic model that would make Yellow proud

I perceive it differently

Some nice probing ??

Sam Harris: a bizarre mix of orange, green and yellow. Ken Wiber: a bizarre mix of orange, yellow and turquoise.

You list some good examples. I would add that it isn’t just rational and intellectual. Other modes of being appear in Green such as empathy, intuition, emotion and connection. JP has major deficiencies in these areas. JP is a clinical psychologist. Another clinical psychologist with dramatic contrast to JP is Gabor Mate. Gabor is green/yellow without blue/orange anchors. He has deeply embodied green. To me, Gabor is the complete contrast to JP and makes his deficiencies totally obvious.

Some nice imagery ? ♥️

I would imagine it sends a message to asylum seekers in central america: Don't come to the U.S. I would also imagine it sends a message to Trump's base that tough action is being taken to protect his base from "scary" asylum seekers from Central America.

@DrewNows Cool video. It might actually be easier to let go and dissolve with a complete stranger than with a friend/partner.

Your message brought to mind the interplay between contraction and expansion - back and forth. Then the image of an accordion appeared. . .

@ROOBIO Sometimes I imagine the earth as a giant organism. . . if the earth was one giant organism, what would the Amazon forest be like? Perhaps a lung of the organism. What would humans be like? In a sense, humans as cancerous cells is apropros.