Forestluv

I find it insightful to let go of all the thinking and trying to figure it out. . . and spend some time in nature - simply observing nature and being. Simply observe how plants, insects, animals and all of nature interacts with itself. Just observation, without trying to figure it out. . . There is a form of "knowing" available that is beyond thought. There is a form of "getting it" available. . . "Ah Ha! That's it, I get it! Oh my gosh, this is amazing!!. . . Wait a minute, what do I get? This makes no sense.". . . .Lol.

One word is too many, a million words not enough. Any definition or interpretation is a second order contextualization. "Prior" to definitions is no definition and all definitions. Another expression may be the deconstruction of all distinctions. . . Direct experience is key to transcend definitions and theory. Yet direct experience is often contextualized as an "experience". I think the heart sutra is a pretty good expression of Mu.

No, zen mu.

It's a nuanced point. It might be better to say that attachment/identification decreases with each stage such that is much less pronounced at Yellow than at Blue. . . As well, one could say that relatively unattached observation appears. . . I think skepticism is natural until it reveals itself. . . Some environments are easier/purer than others. . . For example, while walking through a forest an awareness may reveal itself. An awareness of the environment - yet there is no ownership of the awareness. . . . It's trickier when interacting with other humans and personality dynamics. . . As an example: last week I had a conversation with a woman who specializes in sports psychology and peak performance. She is a coach and a teacher. This is a fascinating area for me and my curiosity was off the chart. I mentioned a few things about neuroscience and flow states of consciousness. Now she got super curious. We explored so many areas of sports psychology, performance, flow states and neuroscience. There was no "my perpective" vs "her perspective". There were no owners. As well, there was no "I want to impress her with my good ideas" or "I hope she didn't think my idea was stupid". . . Rather there was a free-flowing exploration of ideas and experiences without personalities claiming ownership. These are yellow-level conversations and they are absolutely beautiful. it is like exploring music. No one owns the music in the atmosphere. If we are at a concert, we don't say "the sound of the drum is mine and the sound of the guitar is yours". Rather, there is a flow of sound without ownership. Similarly, there is a flow of ideas and concepts without ownership. It is shared at a collective level of consciousness. . . This is one of the key elements of transitioning from Tier 1 to Tier 2 and it is magnificently beautiful. I think that's a good question and also nuanced. From one perspective, there is transcendence of content. A meta view of structure. For example, a blue level person that is immersed in Christian content may go to a University and be in a totally different environment. They may take a science course and a religious studies course and transcend their immersion in religious christian content. They may realize "Wait a minute. Parts of my religion are irrational. And all religions have similarities. They have different content, yet similar structure. If I was born in the middle east, I would have probably become muslim". This can lead to a transcendence of the content and a meta view of the structure. The structure of the identity can be totally transformed. With this awakening, the identification with religion may quickly dissolve. It's like realizing you've been playing a character in a move and that you no longer need to play that character. This would be transcending blue to orange. Can new content and structure arise? Yes, the new content (movie) is that I am now an atheist. I am a rational person that believes in science, logic and evidence. This is a new identification with new content and structure. A new movie. And this can be transcended as well when we enter Green and Yellow.

Talent and ability does not mean development and higher consciousness. For example, a narcissist can be very good at manipulating people for their own selfish gain. Yet this doesn't mean they are some Tier2 level genuis. Most narcissists at are at a very low development and conscious level. They are acting on impulse, instinct and underlying conditioning - yet do not have unattached awareness of inter-personal dynamics like a stage yellow person is. I was in a relationship with a very skilled narcissist. She was sooo good at manipulating situations and gaslighting. Yet she was also at a very low level of developmental psychology and consciousness. . .. In a sense, it is a paradox. Occasionally I see people say that someone like Trump of Jordan Peterson is actually at a Tier 2 level of consciousness. I think not.

A sign that says "smoking not allowed", means smoking is not allowed. If someone smokes in the area, they will be asked to stop or leave. They might even get fined.

When unwelcomed intrusive thoughts appear in the mind, there can be a desire to repress them or seek relief from them . I've found trying to push away or avoid intrusive thoughts often makes it worse. This sets up an internal conflict of "I can't stop obsessing about the past. I'm always living in the past. I want it to stop". . . This creates two polar oppsosites: We are trapped 100% in OCD past and seek 100% relief from it. Yet ime, that dynamic is a trap. It creates an unnecessary conflict. It's not so much the engagement with the past, it is the frequency and intensity of the engagement. A couple years ago, I asked myself "What proportion of my time do I spend engaged in the past?". It was a really high number. Like 80% of my day. This was too much. I wanted to spend more time living in the present moment. Yet I also don't want 0% of my time engaging in the past. How could I possibly survive if I never considered the past? As well, I want to spend some time in personal reflection. Part of personal growth is to reflect upon our past and grow. So rather than trying to push away any thoughts of the past, I had a goal of reducing my time spent living in the past from 80% of my life down to 60%. Then if I could do that, then perhaps I could reduce it down further into a healthy zone of 40% or so. . . One thing I found was that I had a lot of mental conditioning of living in the past. One thing I found helpful was to designate a certain amount of time to "now". I dedicated 30min. a day to Now. Sorta like going to the gym each day. I had a "Now" workout. I would do something that helped relax the mind and put me in now. For example, yoga, art, gardening or walking in nature. Something in which I was engaged in the moment. When intrusive thoughts arose I would acknowledge it and gently tell my mind "This is *now time*. You will have plenty of time later to obsess about the past. Yet for this 30min. is *now time*". This helped relaxed my mind. . . I started off having very short glimpses of being now. Perhaps a 10 second gap. Yet with more and more practice, those gaps started stretching into minutes. I remember walking through nature one time appreciating the beauty of nature. I listened to the bird calls and wondered how the birds communicate with each other. Do birds have language? I noticed dragonflies dancing in the air with each other. So beautiful. Then I realized I didn't have an intrusive thought of the past for 5 min.!! It was so amazing and gave me hope that I could actually have a portion of my life living in the present moment. I just did for 5 min.!!. . . I would do my 30min. *now* workout daily. After a few weeks, I started getting better and noticed that brief moments of now started appearing in my regular day. I'd be doing something at work and realize I was Now for 30min. straight without even trying. Not only did I look at the quantity of time spent engaged in the past, I looked at the quality. I wanted my time reflecting about the past to be healthy. One thing I noticed is that I was hyper-critical of myself. I was conditioned to be hyper self-critical by my parents since I was a kid. I had a pattern of "beating myself up" over the past. I wanted to change this from unhealthy hyper self-critical to healthy reflection. Rather than beating myself up, I began to get curious. Rather than think "I shouldn't have said that to my gf yesterday. I bet I hurt her feelings. I'm such a bad person". . . I would think "Isn't it interesting how I responded to my gf yesterday. What was the underlying energy? Was I insecure? I wonder how my response impacted her. Perhaps she wasn't hurt. Perhaps I can ask her. This would be a good way for us to connect. Then I can learn how to respond in a healthier way in the future". . . I would spend some time journaling. Yet the energetics are important. Rather than beat myself up, I was more of an observer that is curious about myself. Here I didn't make harsh self judgments or harsh self-criticism. This growth didn't happen overnight. It took time to re-condition my mind. Yet the time and effort is sooo worth it. I now have a healthy amount of time engaged in the past and rarely enter hyper-self critical spaces of beating myself up. I'd say only about 10min. each day are in this space. As well, I am much better at recognizing it and learned how to diffuse the intensity. You might also want to consider therapy to help release patterns. For me it did not help to see a therapist that engaged in the OCD story. I found a psychologist specialized in releasing the pattern of intrusive thoughts. For me, EMDR therapy was helpful because it does not engage in the mental story. It goes prior to the mental stories in a effort to diffuse the triggers of the story.

There have been several Mike Tyson and DMT threads. For example:

In human societies, the term "god" often has a transcendental connotation - a type of supernatural entity, beyond "me". So when someone reaches a "beyond me" realm - such as during sex - it seems natural for some to say "oh my god" during the experience. Saying "oh my pencil" doesn't have the same type of transcendental essence and energy. People at stage blue tend to call out "Oh my god!!" during sex. Those at stage orange tend to call out "Oh my Big Bang". Those at Green call out "Oh my sacral chakra". Yellow calls out "Oh my integrated systems!!". Turquoise calls out "Oh God!!". For Turquoise, there is no separation between "me" and "God", so they wouldn't say "my god". As well, God is capitalized for Turquoise.

There are different aspects of "lower vs. higher" in relative contexts. For example, a 12th grade student is at a higher level relative to a 6th grade student. The 12th grade student will have more advanced cognitive skills - for example their pre-frontal cortex is much more developed allowing them some abstract thinking. The 12th student will be at a higher level of math and a higher level of maturity. . . Yet we wouldn't create a hierarchy of human worth. We wouldn't say the 12th grade student has higher human worth than a 6th grade student. They are simply at different developmental stages.

I was running and cycling several times per week. . . However, there is a likely correlation between people working 70+ hours per week and lack of exercise. This lack of exercise can be an indirect contributing factor. Yet it's all integrated. Working 70+ hours per week is related to not having a well-balanced social life and exercise program. In terms of human wellness, I think it's important to look at individual variables, yet it's also important to look holistically at multiple variables and how they inter-relate. . . If someone is stressed-out working 70+ hours per week, gets no exercise, has no social life and drinks alcoholically for stress-reduction - there are multiple inter-related factors involved in the unhealthy lifestyle. I don't think you are considering that working 70+ hours/week can be inherently stressful and unhealthy for the mind and body. It is one variable of many. For example, if someone only slept 5 hours per night, that can take a cumulative toll over several months on ones health. Is it possible that someone can sustain 5 hours sleep per night for years? Sure. Maybe the person just doesn't need much sleep. Maybe they have genetics and prior conditioning that they are a deep sleeper. Maybe a person also does relaxation meditation and doesn't need much sleep,. However, in general, 5 hours sleep/night for months will have a cumulative negative impact on one's wellness. It is one variable of many. Similarly, working 70+ hours per week will tend to have a negative impact on one's mental/physical health. Yet it is just one of many variables and there are exceptions. Another factor is if the person knows it is temporary and there is an ending date. If someone knows that they have to work 70+ hectic hours / week for four months and then get a one month vacation that is much easier to handle psychologically. When the going gets tough the person can think "OK, I'm halfway through. Only two months of this and then I get a long vacation". . . If someone is working 70+ hours / week and there is no ending time in sight, it is much much harder to handle psychologically and physically. The person has no idea if and when it will ever end. This uncertainty itself is a stressor and produces anxiety. . . There have been studies in which people undergo solitary confinement. If the person knows when the solitary confinement will end it is much easier to psychologically handle than if the person is in solitary confinement and has no idea how long they will need to endure it.

If you would like to explore psychedelics, I would get enough to do several trips over the course of a couple months and see how it goes. I would start with a standard psychedelic like LSD, mushrooms or a standard research chemical like 4-aco-dmt. I would start with a low dose and allow time for integration. I would start tripping in a safe and familiar setting, like my apartment and create a good atmosphere. Depending on how things went, I would expand. Perhaps increase the dose or trip in nature or try a new psychedelic. If you are concerned about risks, start with a mini dose. A mini dose of LSD is less risky than drinking coffee - and much healthier.

Psychedelics have their own flavor, yet each psychedelic has a range of flavors. For example, each of my Ayahuasca trips were very very different. This is more prominent at higher doses. If I take a light dose of 50ug of LSD, I pretty much know what to expect. Yet if I took a strong dose of 150ug the trip could go many places and I wouldn’t have an idea what be revealed. Yet there are some general flavors that appear. For example, San Pedro is super gentle. I can “come and go”. Mushrooms are much more possessive. 4-ho-met often brings warmth and amazing CEVs. You can get a rough idea from others, yet the best way to learn is to get in the saddle.

That wasn’t my experience. I had no wife or kids. I was internally motivated and minimized outside responsibilities and distractions. After a few months of 70 hr work weeks, I started to have mental and physical ailments arise. Perhaps other people have better genetics and life conditioning to handle it. Who knows. Yet for me, there was a big price to pay. Yet there was also a big reward for doing it.

That’s where intuition and wisdom comes in. You seem to be creating scenarios in which you must choose between “learning a lesson” vs “enabling a person to step on me”. Quite often, the lesson to be learned is how to lovingly NOT enable someone to step on you. For example, imagine going on a few dates with someone who is hyper-critical of you. She is often mean-spirited.We could create a lesson of “how to accept hyper-critical mean-spirited criticism”. Or we can create a lesson of “how to communicate with someone about an unhealthy dynamic in a way the allows mutual growth”. Lets go with this one. . . We open up and reach out to our date in an effort to resolve the issue and grow. . . She responds that you can take your New Age woo woo nonsense and shove it up your beta male ass. . . At this point the lesson could be “how do I best face my beta maleness and develop into an alpha male to please her?”. . . Or perhaps the lesson is to learn that she has some relationship issues that she is not willing to work on and I don’t need to participate in this in healthy dynamic. I can genuinely wish her the best in life and walk away. Sometimes the lesson may be about how to best engage in an unhealthy scenario. Sometimes the lesson is how to best dis-engage from an unhealthy scenario. We are creating our own lessons as we go. It’s not like a space kangaroo is trying to send us lessons and we need to decode what those lessons are.

Looks like the Love Mission has been accomplished ?? ♥️

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External relative to what? What is internal reality? And how do we determine what is external reality and what is internal reality?

Mu

I didn't quite interpret your ideas correctly. I think I have it now. . . That is one way of looking at infinity. I like that imagery. . . That humans have one lens to perceive infinite IS. Humans, donkey's, shrimp, trees, ants etc. would all perceive what IS differently. The tricky part is imagining that all individual possibilities are occurring simultaneously now. Imo, this is getting into an area that transcends language, logic and theoretical constructs. It gets into an ISness that is transcendent to is-ness. . . That is a super juicy area to explore. Imagine three beings together: a sober person, a person tripping on LSD and a dog. We can imagine this as three different relative realities that are simultaneously occurring, yet each being is perceiving one reality. None of the relative realities is "more real" than another. Each reality IS. . . Each reality is a contextualization of infinite ISness. Prior to that contextualization, there are infinite possible contextualizations because it is prior to any contextualization. - yet there is only one relative contextualization that appears relative to an individual. This is commonly called"reality" or an "experience" - and the vast majority of humans assume it is objective. . . . So. . . what is there prior to the contextualization? . . . There is No contextualization prior to contextualization. And there is Every possible contextualization prior to contextualization. There is Nothing/Everything. There is infinite ISness. . . Rather than "prior" we can also use the term "above". Prior is a time orientation and above is a spatial orientation, both suffice. From another approach, we could imagine a quadrillion different beings - humans, animals, plants etc. There are a quadrillion different realities simultaneously occurring. Theoretically, we could imagine an infinite number of beings such that an infinite number of realities are simultaneously occurring. . . From a collective consciousness, an infinite number of realities are occurring, yet each individual consciousness contextualizes as one reality. A great existential playground. This is the type of stuff I like while walking through nature. . .

Cool. That cranks up the fun meter to 11.

"if there are all infinite possibilities". . . .If I understand correctly, you are creating a construct of "all possibilities" as a collection of all individual possibilities. The tricky part arises with an underlying duality of real vs. imagined and an assumption of choice. If all possibilities are happening right now, that means that Everything is happening right now. It's not even a "possibility" anymore. If everything is happening now, it's no longer a possibility - it is actually happening! If Everything is happening right now, what choice is there to be made? It's all happening. To make a choice, we need to create two things to choose from. We could create a new duality of "actual happenings vs. not-actual happenings". Then we would ask "If everything is happening now, do we have free will to choose actual happenings occurring now?". This is a form of real vs. imagined. . . I think a great self inquiry questions are "what is a happening?", "what is real?" and "what is imagined?" "happening right now at this moment". This is also relative. . . Right now relative to what? In absolute Now, there is no past or future to contrast Now with. Everything is Now and Nothing is Now because there is no not-now to contrast Now with.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Who knows? Is your use of "I am" an objective, universal truth? Is it objectively true for a frog? How could we tell if your sense of "I exist" is objectively true for a frog? From my pov, absolute and objective often get conflated. In this context, I would drop the *I* part and just go with AM-ness. Is AM-ness a universal truth? Is AM-ness true for both a human and frog? . . . You betcha.

I would offer a classic psychonaut. . . Timothy Leary. He was an American psychologist in the 1950s-1960s and a pioneer in revealing therapeutic potential of psychedelics. He was also a leader in the counter-culture movement. He lost his tenured faculty position at a University due to his psychedelic use and related teachings. 50 years later we are waking up and psychedelic therapy is gradually becoming mainstream. Rather than losing their job for studying psychedelics, academic scientists are now being given multi-million dollar grants to study psychedelics. My honorable mention would be Kary Mullis. He was a biochemist psychonaut. During a LSD trip in 1983, it was revealed to Kary how to replicate DNA in a test tube. At the time, he was viewed as an eccentric oddball (During another LSD trip Kary was abducted by aliens). Yet his DNA discover revolutionized science and he was awarded the nobel prize in 1993.

@Mikael89 According to Mikael89 maybe what others say is bs. As stated. . . on and on into infinity. . . Trying to grasp relativity is like trying to grasp the wind. . . @Nahm