Forestluv

From a meta view, there is the question of what IS is. What is red, brings up relativity. On one level, what is red to one mind is green to another mind. For all we know, what you perceive as red I perceive as green - regardless of the underlying neuronal activity. Yet on another level, there is an underlying shared ISness.

Another approach might be to go meta and challenge their assumption of what the structure of science is. If one can’t distinguish between science and non-science how can they believe in the consent of science? . . . . For example, we can discuss how something is both existent and non-existent. We can discuss how existent/nonexistent is both everywhere and nowhere. This sure does sound like woo woo bullshit, yet it’s also called super position in quantum mechanics. Some say it’s pseudo-science led by quacks, others say it is the hard core science with the highest predictive power of all science.. . . . Another example is entanglement - instantaneous communication over distance. Is this New Age ESP bullshit? Even Einstein called it bs - “spooky action at a distance”. Yet the Nobel Prize in science thinks differently. And then there is multiple dimensions - Airy Fairy delusions of charlatans or String Theory science conducted by respected science with million dollar grants?

My mind got too caught up in the underlying structure and I missed the content. Sorry about that. I think the content of that video is great and it gives a good framework for direct experience. I like how it constructs from Nothing to Everything and back full circle to Nothing. Such that Everything = Nothing. Ime, psychedelics can allow for conscious awareness of these different dimensions. I’ve been on trips in which there where multiple dimensions as the movie suggests. For example, one trip was like being within a dimension within a dimension within a dimension. I was unable to determine which was the “true” dimension. . . On another trip, time was so distorted. I was questioning what I should do. Should I meditate? Watch a vide? Listen to music? Write in my journal? Yet this was beyond the 3/4 dimension of doing stuff in a timeline. It had done, was doing and will do all of those activities. My mind-body was so disoriented. Why would I mediate if I just meditated? But how could I have just meditated if I just watched a video. And how can I be journaling if I am meditating? . . . It was like the branching and multiple infinities shown in the video. . .Ime, I’d also say that 5-Meo can help access these dimension and reach the 10th dimension in which Everything and Nothing collapse together. . . Ime, 5-Meo is so pure and clear it doesn’t give the best details of each dimension. It’s like a fast rack to 10. . . For me, other psyches like shrooms or LSD are better for a direct experience of particular facets of each dimension - like the example I gave above. I think it would be extremely difficult to access such dimensions without psychedelics. Our brains have evolved and been conditioned for 3D/4D and it’s hard to resonate with 5D+. Similar to how a donkey is in tune with 3D and it would be hard for a donkey to access 4D.

I also find it odd when a man says “I understand how women work”. Especially since they have zero direct experience of being a woman. This is an exercise I do in one of my classes: I go to the chalkboard and tell the class I will ask them a question and I want them to call out ideas. I then say “First I’ll ask the males in the class ‘Tell me all the actions you take on a daily basis to protect yourself from sexual harassment and sexual assault”. . . Silence. . . The guys look confused. . . They don’t know if this is a trick question. . . Sometimes I tease them and say “C’mon guys, don’t be shy - let it out”. Nothing. . . . Then I ask the woman the same question and they give rapid fire answers. I’m now writing as fast as I can on the board and can’t keep up with them. I’d say about 30% of the males have a realization that they know very little about actually living as a woman. Also that they have privilege - they don’t need to worry about protecting themself and they don’t need to be concerned about it. I think part of the impact comes because the students are blindsided. I teach science classes and they are not expecting a science teacher to do anything like this. I’m also male, and they are taken off-guard that a male is doing this. If it was a female professor, I think most of the males would dismiss her as “yea, yea. . . another woman trying to tell us about sexual harassment and how hard they have it.”

I think misinterpreted the original question and have a better understanding now. The questions may seem straightforward and simple, yet I think at an existential level they go very deep and can be difficult to discuss through images and language. If I understand the context, I would use the term “awakening” or “revealed”. For example “Can someone awaken to the 10th dimension like one can awaken to God?” or “Can the 10th dimension be revealed like God can be revealed? “. In this context, I would yes - there is a similar essence common to awakenings / revelations. Asking whether God is the same as XXXis a different question, imo. In one perspective, God is Everything, so everything is God. Yet God is also used in different contexts, like as a type of entity. I like the idea of realms and dimensions. Yet personally, I don’t like using the term 10th dimension as synonymous with One/Infinity/Nonduality/Universe/Everything etc. I like trying to be as direct as possible and use pointers with the fewest possible steps. Terms like One/Nonduality/Universe/Everything is one step away. It is about as close as we can get. 10th dimension is multiple steps away for me. If there is a 10th dimension, there must be at least 9 other dimensions. What is a dimension? Are there also non-dimensions? Thus I don’t think 10th dimension is a good pointer - it has too many variables which can cause confusion.. . . If I used the term: “The 4th inter-galactic community” as synonymous with nonduality, it would likely cause confusion.

This is a block to expansion. Many women on the forum have tried to communicate to men “That’s not quite how women work” and then explain aspects of woman-ness. Many men respond by correcting the woman with their own idea of how women work. This will keep a man locked in their own paradigm. I’m not saying male perspectives lack value, I’m saying female perspectives have value. If we want to spandex and deepen our understanding of woman-ness, the experiences and perspectives of actual women are important.

@Jahmaine Whether terms are the same, different or similar is nuanced. To me, the way you define “10th dimension” has similarities to the way many people describe god/One/infinite. I am comfortable using terms like10thdimension/reality/infinite/one/universe/God/nothing/consciousness as synonyms. For example God is Everything. I’m also comfortable with drawing distinctions and creating different facets. For example, there is awakening to the facet God and awakening to the facet of Infinity. Leo describes this in his facets of awakening video. Terms are great to create maps and maps can be useful, yet the ,map is not the territory.

@Jahmaine I think you are entering areas that are transcendent to language and logic, so it becomes difficult to communicate. Asking if the 10th dimension is “the same” as God is a relative question. We are asking if two things are “the same” or “different”. We are asking if two things are actually one thing. It’s easy to start conflating absolute and relative. We could be pragmatic and simply say “yes or no”. Yet the underlying substance is much more nuanced. . . Leo made some good videos in this area on “Sameness vs difference” and Relativity.

Access to what? If the 10th dimension is everything, then there is nothing to gain access to. Rather than how to access the 10th dimension, the better question is how to not access the 10th dimension. There would be no escape from the 10th dimension. An everything dimension includes the experience of oneness. It also includes the experience of separateness. With that said, most humans are highly conditioned into a dualistic / separate mindset, so direct nondual experience of oneness is a key to expansion. Yet the tendency is to become attached/identified to a nondual creation. This creates a duality of nondual vs. dual. Or a duality of 10th dimension vs. Not 10th dimension. . . I think images and constructs of dimensions/realms are awesome to explore and can be helpful. I’ve taken many trips with psychedelics and have explored many realms/dimensions. Yet at the end of the day, it’s all within all encompassing Everything. Which deconstructs to Nothing. Everything I write is within the everything realm, as well as the opposite of what I write. It’s not a truth and a lie. As well as every variation and interpretation of what is written. “the 10th dimension in the video above is described as “imagine all the possible branches for all the possible timelines of all the possible universes” I like that imagery. We can deconstruct even further. . . What is a possibility? What is a branch? What is a timeline? What is a Universe? These are all distinctions used for constructing. That’s great. I love constructing as much as I love deconstructing. . . The distinctions used in this construct may seem simple, yet they are highly sophisticated and would take a lot of work and effort to deconstruct. Ime, 5-Meo is the best deconsructor, yet afterwards the mind returns to construction.

It doesn’t seem like you’ve had experience with needy/clingy partners. At first it can seem comforting. It can give a person a sense of worth and importance. It can feel good helping another with their issues and meeting their needs. It can feel good when someone says “I need you. I can’t live without you. Promise me we will always be together”. It can be like a romantic movie. Yet then the movie changes into a horror movie. It becomes suffocating. Everything becomes about their needs and insecurities. You become responsible for meeting their needs and for their feelings. There is intense underlying fear you will leave. “I saw how you looked at her. That means you like her and are want to leave me. I bet you are sleeping with her. You don’t really love me, do you? Show me you love me, I can’t live without you. Something bad might happen if you leave me. . . ..” . . . It’s awful and all you want relief. Yet there is no escape. If a person gets too immersed, they become trapped and it becomes difficult to get out. If needy/clingy is mixed with the desire to control/possess, it can get twisted and scary - a bunny in a pot of boiling water kinda stuff. I’ve been in a relationship like this and it’s awful.

If the10th dimension encompasses everything, how can it described in a theoretical construct? Since it encompasses everything, it would include everything outside the construct and everything in opposition of the construct. Thus the 10th dimension is also the opposite of any construct you create.

Oooh, we haven’t started yet. . . . You’ve inspired me to find a way out.

Leo caught me with my hand in the identity cookie jar. Just some self deprecating humor.

The other day I used a “royal let’s”. . . “Ok, let’s clean the laboratory before holiday break”. . . I caught myself and thought “crap, I guess I gotta help out now”.

My new roof theme. Time to start climbing. On the roof's the only place I know Where you just have to wish to make it so Let's go up on the roof

The pronouns “I” and “you” are transcended at an LOC score of 847.

I know. I know. . . The thing is, I actually don’t like roofs. I have an intense fear of heights. I climbed this ladder for the roof party. I heard there was a hot tub and salsa dancing going on. . . And now I’m introduced to Esmeralda and an unrequited love story. I’ve been in this movie before. . . I’m tapping out. Leo said there are other roofs. . . . On to the next ladder. . .

Esmeralda would be my downfall. Unrequited love is a bitter brew to drink. It is one of Eros’ arrows misguided. Like Quasimodo, the result of such love is a return to dust. For life lost in the pursuit of this type of love is like an exquisite vase where the flowers have withered from neglect. Like water is needed to keep flowers flourishing, love is needed to keep a heart beating with its song of life. G. D. Williams

Do some roof-dwellers stick around to help pull up others to the roof?

You like to cut to the chase. . .

I haven't heard of Yuval Harari. Thanks for mentioning him. . . This wasn't quite the facet I was getting at, yet this is also a profound realization. It reminds me of Leo's "Hand Exercise". . . Here a person observes their hand without any thought. Just observation and feeling their hand. This is actual. Then the person puts their hand behind their back and imagines their hand. They create a thought construct of their hand. This is an imagination. It seems too simple and obvious, yet the direct experience can be profound to highlight the contrast between actual Now and imagined. One can extend this to looking at the wall (actual Now) and then thinking about their parents (imagined). . . One tendency of the mind is to conflate actual and imagined. When presented this a person might think "Duh, this is so obvious. I now the difference between actual and imagined". Yet we then live our lives misinterpreting imagined as real. It is also a good exercise for realizing Now. Not quite, it's even more radical than that. A priori and posteriori and great epistemological ideas about how we come to know truth. Yet my understanding is that it both refer to how a proposition is known to be true. That has great value and practical usage. Yet I'm pointing to something different. I think I added in too much to the example. To re-visit the example. . . How do you know it's now? Try to imagine prior to the idea of now, so all there is is Now. How do you know everything is happening? . . We could theorize about what is a happening, what is sensation and perception, neuroscience etc. That's all good. Yet there is also a "before" all that. Yet here, it's not like there is a me knowing everything. Before all the theory, there is nothing to know. There simply just IS. Think of a baby, they are just simply aware of what is. They have no theory about stuff. Kinda like that. . . So it's not like "me" knowing. It's more like ISness "Knows" itself. Now just Knows it's Now. .. . Another way of saying it is that awareness is aware of itself. All evidence and theory is second order. There is a first order of ISness before the theory, evidence etc. Creating a conceptual framework is helpful, yet one can only go so far with concepts. Ime, concepts can help support direct experience. A person may have a realization of direct experience, beyond words. "Oh, my god!! What just happened? I can't explain it". This can feel groundless and the tendency of the mind is to dismiss it as "woo woo" and return to status quo. Yet a conceptual framework may provide grounding for integration. For example, after the direct experience one may realize "Oh my gosh!! That is what Rupert Spira was talking about!!! I get it. Yet I can't explain it". The point about A is B has to do with the dualistic conditioning of the mind. Anytime we say something is something else we are creating two things in a relative context. Re-vist all of your statements with the word "is". In each instance, you are creating one thing and equating it to another thing. For example you earlier wrote "the ego is a construction. .. ". In some contexts, content is important. Not here. The content isn't important, it's the structure. Notice the way it is structured. You have created two things. One thing you call an "ego" and another thing you call a "construction" and you propose that the ego (A) = construction (B). . . . The mind does this so much it becomes oblivious to what it's doing. This can be helpful to navigate life and survive. Yet the mind gets lulled into believing it's true. One exercise I've done is to walk through nature and notice every time I make statements. I then acknowledge I am creating relative meaning that is not objective/actual. . . That duck is big. No, that duck is a duck. Those clouds are beautiful. No, clouds are clouds. This is boring. No, a thought this is boring is a thought this is boring. That litter shouldn't be here. No, the thought that litter shouldn't be here is a thought that litter shouldn't be here. Adyashanti is the enlightened. No Adyashanti is Adyashanti. The thought Adyashanti is enlightened is the thought Adyashanti is enlightened. . . This exercise is maddening to the mind because it prevents being right, attachment and identification. The exercise still has labels, but its a big step. The next step would further remove labels. Rather than that duck is a duck. It becomes that IS is IS. How is this liberating? The liberation doesn't come from the theory, it comes from the embodiment. For example, suppose you tell me that this passage I wrote is delusional, I have no clue about enlightenment and I need to watch more Eckhart Tolle videos. How might my mind body respond? If there is attachment/identification that my writing is true/insightful and that you are wrong - the mind and body will likely respond defensively. It will want to defend that the writing is true/insightful. I may try and convince you that the writing is true/insightful. Yet what happens when there is embodiment of IS is IS? Then it becomes "writing is writing" and "a thought that writing is delusional is a thought that writing is delusional". There is nothing here to be attached to. There is nothing here to be identified with. It's the same as saying a bird chirp is a bird chirp. Yet it's not the theory. It's the underlying realization and embodiment. Is the mind just thinking this? Or has the mind-body actually embodied it. Is there still underlying feelings of attachment/identification and desire to convince myself and others that the writing is true/insightful? Or does it have not more significance than a bird chirp? What is the sensation of color? Colors don't exist. A tree is not green. The visual cortex is creating a hallucination of green and you have no idea if what I call green is the same thing as what you call green. What is pain? You can define it however you want. Pain to you could be pleasure to someone else. Try some S & M and explore the inter-connectedness between pain and pleasure to the point you can't tell the difference between pain and pleasure. All these concepts are great, yet they aren't actual. Creating a terms like "pain" and "pleasure" is useful to communicate, function in society and survive. Yet ideas of pain is not the actuality. It is not the direct experience. An exploration of pain through observation and direct experience is very different than a theoretical exploration of pain and pleasure. . . Similarly, explore terror and peace so deeply that you cannot distinguish between terror and peace in your direct experience. As well, explore real and imagined so deeply that you cannot tell the difference between real and imagined. Not theoretically. Literally in your direct experience. You are assuming there is a universal, objective thing called "pain". How can it be pain without your interpretation of it as pain? The conceptualizing has value, yet its so easy to get trapped in a vortex of intellect. It goes sooo much deeper. . . Self inquire "what is pain?". Don't think about it or try to figure it out. There is understanding of direct experience. Explore actual direct experience of pain. What are the inter-connections between sensation, thought, interpretation. Yet don't intellectualize. Just ask the question and observe. If you and a gf are into kinky sex, this is a great area to explore. I've been in realms in which I'm at an interface of pain, bliss and humor. My gf couldn't tell if I was screaming in pain or laughing hysterically. She would ask "Is this good or bad?". I'd respond "I don't know, but keep going. . . ". In general, a good way to blast through all this is with a psychedelic.

In defense of fruit flies. . . I do laboratory research with fruit flies and would like to mention that fruit flies have contributed greatly to our understanding of human health and medicine. Fruit fly research as been awarded multiple Nobel Prizes in medicine. . . For example, fruit flies revealed all the Hox genes involved in development (including human development). In regards to child abuse. . . It is a cycle of pain and suffering. Many children that were abused become damaged and then abuse children as adults. It's easy to restrict our empathy to the abused child. Yet it is often an inter-connected web of suffering. . . A good movie that captures this dynamic called "Little Children". There is a web of about six characters, each of which is both abused and abuser. The tendency for humans is to categorize as good and evil, yet this movie breaks that tendency. It's really profound, yet also really difficult to watch - at least it was for me. I was shaken up for weeks and it still comes up years later. The movie "Crash" also has a similar theme, yet is much less intense. In "Crash" there is also a network of about six characters and the themes are more about racism and sexism. Again, each character is complex and is both good and evil depending on context. There was a police officer that used his power to abuse a woman in a vulnerable position. I got so upset with him. He was the bad guy. Yet later, in a different context, he used his power and risked his life to save the life of the same woman he had abused. She was trapped under a burning car and she refused the help of the hated police officer. Yet he wouldn't be able to live within himself if he left her there and he refused to leave. They would both die together or they would both survive together. They both realized this and there was a beautiful moment of shared humanity. . . Each character was like this. I couldn't hate or love them. In Leo's first video on love, he spoke about expanding our capacity to love. These two movies helped me with this expansion. They helped reveal how my love was contracted and conditional based on my own personal filters.

"If I am pure emptyness then why don't I feel other bodies" The mind loves to create stories. . . For example, "Pure emptyness should mean that I feel other bodies. Yet I don't feel other bodies. I must be doing something wrong. . . " Emptiness isn't a thought story. It comes prior to thought stories. Yet how do we transcend thought stories and get insights of direct experience? A few things I've tried. 1. Ask "what is emptiness?". Yet don't enter thought stories such as "I read that emptiness is XXX. . . I watched a video and the teacher said emptiness is ZZZ. . . . Emptiness should be nothing. Or maybe emptiness is a lack of something, like I feel empty. . . ". Just let all of this go. Everything you think you know about emptiness. It's not a thought story exercise. Rather, it's about the essence of emptiness being revealed in direct experience. Just genuinely ask and let it go. Perhaps sit in silence. Or just do something else. 2. Humbly and genuinely ask that emptiness be revealed. This sets and intention to the Universe. Just humbly and genuinely set the intention without any expectations. Don't try to figure it out. I like to go to bed at night setting the intention such as "Please show me the true essence of Emptiness". I don't obsess about it and try to figure it out by thinking, reading or discussing it on forums. The humble/genuine intention can plant a seed in the Universe. Maybe the sprouts tomorrow, maybe next year, maybe never. . . What often happens, for me anyway, is that it may be mysteriously revealed. Maybe through LOA, maybe through Synchronicity. And things can get weird. I may be in a cafe and her a child say "Emptiness is blah blah blah". And I'm like "wtf, did that just happen?". Or I may be walking in nature, see a bee in a flower and realize emptiness. "Holy shit! Emptiness!". Then my mind is like "Whoa!! What?? Where?? We need to figure this out. What's the Emptiness". Then I often laugh at the Cosmic Joke. . . The Universe is such a prankster. . .

That is so beautiful

This is your unique journey and there is only one person who can take that journey: you. It seems like you have a mixture of desires - some at odds with each other. I would get in touch with the source of the desire. What is the essence of that desire? Does it feel genuine and pure? Or does it feel in-genuine and muddy?. . . Yet it can get tricky because the mind has so many conditioned filters. And sometimes it seems best to go counter to desires. . .