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Nice frame ?

Haha yes. It’s like saying “A trip to the planet Xenon isn’t so bad. The zidnuvs and fluglins could actually help me”. Sneaky squirrel

I love those moments in nature. The flower, butterfly and bee are the most beautiful creation. So beautiful it seems impossible. . . . Sometimes I lose sense of myself and time such that there is simply the beauty.

@Bno It’s not just Mueller. It’s that all the experts agree on interference. There is collective agreement among the expert community that carries a lot of weight for me. In this area, I’m more interested in the structure of how the situation is perceived and how meaning is created. I’m not so interested in engaging in the content of the situation. You seem more interested in discussing/debating content, which is fine. It looks like several others on the forum want to engage on content. So I’ll step aside. Nice chatting with you.

@Frankie10 It’s funny you say that. When I started feeling different, I also started resonating with nature differently. I’ve always liked nature, yet I was usually in my own head while in nature. Then something shifted, I related with nature in a new way and was sensitive to things I hadn’t noticed before. For example, I was in nature one time and realized I was within an enlightened master. I’ve resonated well with psychedelics and many of the deepest insights in some way related to a trip. Almost like doors to synchronicity open. I may be walking in nature and an insight appears and I’m like “whoa, that’s trippy cool”. It’s like I’m more sensitive or open now. Even when sober, I often feel like I’m on a low dose of a psychedelic, and I haven’t used them for a while. . . I also like being with people that are kinda “out there”. They often have an “it” that reveals something.

Random Destiny. A new paradox for me. I love it. And a great title for a book.

@Frankie10 It sounds like you tapped into a nice insight. . . . Your avatar goes so well with your story. . . I love the curiosity of what has arisen. “Hmmm, what’s going here?”.

Notice the change in the narrative. You went from “no interference”, to “possible interference” to “probable interference”. Just one more step. . . The top US intelligence officials said there was interference (and continues to be interference). Including top officials Mueller and Hill. They are the top authorities. Mueller was asked point blank if there was interference and he said yes. He also said it is ongoing. Fiona Hill said the same and that the alternative is a “fictional narrative”. All officials agree. The dispute is occurring in your mind, not amongst US intelligence, security advisors and diplomats. How effective the interference was and wether Trumps campaign conspired with the interference are different questions. What I think doesn’t carry any weight. I am not an expert on US-Russian relations. If I was testifying in Congress on this case, everyone would be shaking their head asking “wtf is this guy doing here? He isn’t an expert on Russia”. What matters are actual experts. The actual experts have clearly stated in personal testimony that there was Russian interference. To me, both Mueller and Hill seem like qualified non-partisan experts that sought the truth and know the truth. Imo, they have no reason to lie. . . You seem to have a different interpretation, which is fine. You get to create anything you want.

To me, it sounds like you had a direct experience glimpse into a deep realization. Psychedelics can take a mind to depths that would take years of traditional practice to reach. Groundlessness will often be perceived as uncomfortable and bad. After this type of psychedelic experience, I’d be like “whoa, wtf just happened?”. And my mind would try to make sense of it and get grounded, which is fine - yet I also wanted to integrate the realization and not lose it. Sometimes, I would return to a similar psychedelic realm for the same realization. Some took months to integrate and embody. I’ve also had energetic shifts after these realizations. For example, I used to be much more analytical and intellectual. I sought books that explained spirituality, that said “this is how it is”. After these psychedelic realizations, that seeking energy dissolved. I just wasn’t into theorizing and debating. After the actual direct experience of being that ISness, there was an energetic shift toward experiencing more of it. I tripped more and did a lot of practices to reach Beingness. Now-ness. I started resonating with nonduality speakers and get excited “Yes, yes! That’s it! Omg! They know! They’ve been there!”. The Exploration and creation became juicy. Theorizing, intellectualizing and debating was now like chewing on tin foil. At the human level, there is unlimited growth available. Yet what we resonate with can change.

Yes and a person would need to research and learn about the physicists’ evidence. One could simply believe the physicists since they are authorities on the subject. If someone wants to learn about the evidence, they would need to actually learn about the evidence. For example, they could read the scientific articles, take physics classes and talk with physicists. This is very different than saying “I think QM is a hoax” and watching YT videos that says QM is a hoax. If someone believes QM is a hoax, they will not put n effort to learn about QM. Why spend time learning about something that doesn’t even exist? It’s just a Hoax! Similiar to physicists, US intelligence officials, national security advisors and diplomats are expert authorities that have done a lot of research on Russia. They are much more knowledgeable, experience, skilled and smarter than you are. One could believe them since they are authorities on the subject. If someone wants to learn more, they can do research to learn more. You are responsible for your own learning and what you project. If you want to engage in a Russia Hoax story and watch Russia Hoax videos all day go for it. It’s your life. If you want to learn why every US intelligence official, national security advisor and diplomat to Russia say there was interference, then take responsibility, put in effort and do the work. Watching Russia Hoax videos and spending all day posting about Russia Hoax on Internet forums is not research and work - it will not lead to learning and understanding. Yet you don’t want to do the research and work - you want to eat Russia Hoax pie, which is fine - you just won’t learn anything. If someone sits around and eats Moon Landing Hoax pie, they will not learn about the moon landing. If someone sits around eating Holocaust Hoax pie, they will not learn anything about the Holocaust. If someone believes in a Hoax and is attached to it, they will not take action to learn about it. For example, I believe Big Foot is a Hoax and I am not going to invest time and effort to learn about Big Foot. However, I do not watch videos about Big Foot Hoax or spend all day posting about Big Foot Hoax on internet forums.

Leo and Emerald both have great YT channels that are helpful to people. Both of them participate on this forum. There is no need to create a “Leo vs Emerald” narrative. If you want to know if the videos are worth watching, watch some videos and see if they have value for you.

@Dumuzzi I don’t disagree with you. I think what you wrote is a beautiful construct and has a lot of value. I am pointing to something else. It doesn’t look like we are on the same frequency, which is fine. It happens. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me ❤️ ?

That is the first step to realizing one’s own projections. I am irrelevant. Your mind is creating what it wants to see. If a mind is engaged in a snake story it will see sticks as snakes. You think you know more than the top US intelligence, security advisors and diplomats? And you don’t even know their reasons? That would be like saying “I think Quantum mechanics is hoax”, without even looking into what the top phycisists say about quantum mechanics. Then asking “What reasons do the phycisists have? I know more than them”. . . This is a contracted mindset that will not allow learning and deeper understanding. All the U.S. intelligence agencies and top national security advisors/diplomat to Russia have concluded and publicly stated there was Russian interference. They are more knowledgeable and smarter than you. If you want to know their reasons/evidence, do your research and learn. Yet that’s not what your mind wants. Your mind wants to serve up a yummy dish of Russia Hoax pie.

No. You keep projecting that. Your projector seems hardwired. You can stay immersed within the projection or transcend it and become aware of your projector. Up to you. You are creating your own reality.

That is a major realization. I would integrate that. It is the groundless within groundless grounding. You go on to create constructs for grounding - such as constructs of Mazes, enlightenment, intellect etc. Such construction is great, yet the realization above is a key realization Ime.

No, Chomsky said there was probably interference. And Chomsky isn’t even an authority on this matter. He is not even a national intelligence agent or a diplomat to Russia. Notice how your lens and projections are working. It’s like Neil Armstrong and NASA officials telling you that there was a moon landing and you saying “yea, but some guy did a mashup of movie producers who create outer space movies. And this guy says the moon landing was fake. Have you watched his YT video?”. There is indisputable evidence of Russian interference. All the top U.S. intelligence agencies and all the top U.S. national security officials have stated there was Russian interference. There is no dispute. You projecting a stick as snake and immersed in the content that you are projecting. Creating thought stories about what snakes eat and if snakes exist in Iceland are distractions that will keep a mind mesmerized/attached/identified by projections. The mind will be unaware that a projector is projecting sticks as snakes. The deeper realization here is the structure of the projector, not the content of snakes. Yet you are more interested in engaging in content.

Terms like “no self” are pointers, they are maps. They can be true/helpful in one context and false/unhelpful in another context. The mind likes to see things in opposites and wants true vs. false and does not like paradoxes. There are many different images we can create with “no self”. For example, we could say “self” is a movie in which a person is immersed within. They are attached/identified as being a character within that movie. One could say that “no self” means the character disappears and the movie ends. Or one could say “no self” means there is omniscient awareness - the movie continues, yet there is no more attachment/identification. As well, we can create different maps of “awakening” that are tru/false and helpful/unhelpful expending on context. For example, one may say that awakening is the cessation of ego. One may say awakening is transcendent awareness of ego. Each has true/false and is helpful/unhelpful. In the context of what you wrote above, I agree. A mind can create a nonduality story and become attached to that story. Yet what happens if we become attached to the opposite story? There is truth to what is written above, yet by thinking “that is the opposite of what they should do”, there is now attachment/identification to the opposite side of the story. In doing so, one will only see the falsity in killing the self and will not see the truth in killing the self. It is two sides of the same coin. You are making complete sense and it’s true. It’s beautiful. Rupert Spira uses similar imagery. I think what you are pointing at is a transcendent awakening. It is a rooftop with a meta view. It can take years of work to build a ladder and climb up to the rooftop. Yet we don’t want to become become Quasimodo. An enlightenment experience is described as “where separation and duality cease to exist and Oneness is regained”. That is true and not not saying it’s false. This isn’t is true vs false dynamic. . . separation and duality can cease to exist and Oneness is regained. That’s true. It’s also false. How can separation and duality cease to exist in Oneness? How can duality not be Oneness? To say duality isn’t Oneness is a duality. Oneness includes both duality and nonduality. (And the opposite is also true).

You are projecting through a lens. Noam Chomsky did not say Russian interference is a hoax in that video. You are projecting that. Chomsky said Russian interference probably occurred and then he took a meta view of election interference. Chomsky’s meta view will get distorted by a lens immersed in content that Russian interference was a hoax. You seem to be attached and identified to that content. Here, the bigger issue is the structure of perception rather than the content of perception. If one doesn’t examine the structure, they can spend years arguing to defend the story they are immersed in. Everything you are projecting is true relative to the projector. Chomsky really did say that Russia is a hoax in that video because that is what the projector in your mind projected. . . I was hiking with a friend that has a fear of snakes. She often sees snakes out in nature. She saw a snake on the side of the trail and got scared. It was actually a stick, yet her mind projected a snake and relative to that projector, it was a snake.

I agree, from that point of view.

What is described of the West Bank in that video is stage Red / Blue. @Focus Shift Spreading awareness on this is awesome. It looks like many Americans are waking up. When the topic of Palestine comes up, I'm seeing more and more Americans respond "Yea, I heard about Palestinian treatment - that's not right". I think Bernie, AOC, Thalib and Omar have done a lot to raise awareness over the last year.

Just a few ideas. . . The concept that consciousness is a subjective experience is already fairly advanced. It is on the level of relativity. I would put that more advanced than an objective consciousness. . . I would create three "levels" and not argue against any level. I think this is a big trap. The human mind thinks in opposites. I wouldn't frame it as who is right and wrong. I'd frame it more like Paris is in France and France is in Europe. There is no opposites to argue here. Contrasting objective and subjective is pretty straightforward. There are many examples one could give. For example, an objectivist might say that the color red exists and this is objectively true for everyone. A relativist might say that everyone's subjective experience of red is different and we have no idea if everyone perceives red the same. . . A second example would be that an objectivist may say that sex/gender is determined physically by genitalia, hormones and neurotransmitters. A relativist may state that gender is determined by one's subjective experience and personal identity. Going up to absolute is much more challenging imo. I think social fields of conspicuousness would be good as well. For example, bird murmurations, wolf packs, fish, etc. A social field of consciousness is a level higher than an individual consciousness and I think some people at least partially get it. You could also go up a level with nonduality. Yet this is more challenging imo. I have tried to explain it to freshman and a few "get it" but not all.

All U.S. agencies have concluded that Russia interfered with the U.S. election - including the Mueller Report, Mueller's testimony (linked below, first question), and Fiona Hill's testimony. ALL the top security officials have stated this. These are the highest authorities on the matter. Russian interference is not in dispute. If you want to learn about the mechanisms of the interference, you will need to do research and educate yourself. . . Or you can stay immersed in a False Narrative.

Fiona Hill is the top national security diplomat to Russia / Ukraine. In the video she briefly states all the agencies that have concluded Russia interfered with the U.S. election, including the U.S. intelligence agency. She states there is absolutely no dispute among any U.S. agency that the Russian government interfered with the U.S. election. All U.S. agency are in complete agreement. There is a distinction between Russian Interference in the U.S. election vs. Trump conspiring with Russia in the Interference. These are two different issues. All U.S. agencies have concluded that the Russian government interfered with the U.S. elections, yet did not make conclusions about Trump's involvement. Importantly, "conspiracy" is a very high bar. There can be evidence of conspiracy without meeting the threshold of conspiracy. . . For example, there can be evidence someone committed murder, yet the evidence does not meet the high standard of convicting a person of murder. Fiona Hill is the top authority on this matter. She is like Stephen Spielberg talking about Raider's of The Lost Ark. There is no higher authority on the matter. Dismissing her is foolish.

For sure. If we create a thing called "an individual" that is separate from other "things" we create, then it is separate. If I say my pinky finger is separate from my ring finger, then it is separate. I just made it so! A fun magic trick. If there is one mind, who is this "we" that shares it? . . .We would need to create separation. We would need to create a "me" that is separate from "you" and say "me and you" share the One mind. . . .That is a fine metaphor. The problem comes when there is attachment/identification with "me" as being separate from One. This attachment/identification creates fear and anxiety. This type of theory is great as a framework, yet the direct experience is really important. For example, a nondual experience with no self. . . Yet afterwards, the psychological self may try to take ownership and create a thought story about "an experience I had". Also, the framework of unity vs individual can have value - yet that framework can collapse in to unity = individual.