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Those immigrants have moved their families to live in the US, often at extreme sacrifice and peril. Immigrants are often oppressed, ostracized and targeted for abuse - even though they contribute to the country through hard work and paying taxes. Sending them back to the "country they came from" would impose extreme hardships on them. To compare that to disgruntled users that complain/criticize on an internet forum is waaay off the mark, imo. I think a better comparison would be people that are offered free classes to learn a foreign language. Constructive criticism is fine. It is helpful to the foreign language coordinators to improve the classes. Yet if someone was complaining in a toxic manner, I think it would be appropriate to ask them to tone it down, to criticize in a respectful manner or to leave if they were that upset. There are people working to provide them free access and if they are that upset, leaving is no hardship at all to them.

Looks like Boris is about to wipe the Parliament floor with Corbyn ?

It seems like thought stories of the future are scaring you. Freedom to be Here and Now

It doesn't need to be this dramatic. The human mind is conditioned with a thought story about "me" and how everything is "real". One way this can be transcended is to realize that "me" and other things are illusions. Yet this is just a halfway point. Don't get trapped in a new thought story about how everything is illusion and nothing is real. That is just a new thought story and it will cause the mind and body a lot of distress. If you continue on, you will see these are all just thoughts. Illusion = Real and Real = Illusion. They cancel each other out and all that is left is what IS Here and Now. And that is liberating, beautiful and magical.

They are all immersed in personalities and outward behavior. Immersed in how an enlightened person should act. "Me this, she that, him this, you that. He should provide for his wife and listen to her. He makes me upset. She doesn't understand". And on and on. All within personal stories and how things should be. There is transcendence to that.

It’s a spiritual version of a Jerry Springer Show. I was waiting for Dr. Phil to bring out the guy’s psychic mistress.

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They are all immersed in personalities and behavior.

Yes, as well as when interacting with women. I couldn’t count how many times I’ve asked women “what’s _____ like?”. Last week I was out for tea with a friend and asked her “what’s it like when you converse with other women compared to when you converse with men?” She told me all sorts of dynamics between women and men. Stuff I never even considered. Then I started noticing it all around me. It’s amazing. 80% of my social interactions are with women.

@Deanna Feeling groundless at times is completely normal and often a good sign. Some of my best growth spurts have been in times with uncertainty and curiosity.

That’s beautiful.

Guys. . . try to see things from the female’s perspective. It will save you a lot of confusion and frustration.

Follow your heart ♥️

@cetus56 I’d consider krishnamurti an honorable mention as a westerner. In particular because he transcended the pressures of his native culture and became his own authority. He had no allegiance to anything. I love that about him.

@assx95 I wouldn’t beat yourself up over this. It’s a good learning opportunity. Yet to me, it looks like the ship could use some major re-steering, rather than a few minor tweaks.

@cetus56 I like how he implores others to understand. Krishnamurti did that as well. It’s like you have an amazing gift you genuinely want to give to others.

@Nak Khid I would agree that pure nonduality teachers are relatively recent in Western civilizations. My hunch is that the internet accelerated the process.

I’m reminded of a game called “Twister”. It was a game in the 1980s in the US. People twisted their body into all sorts of odd configurations on a large polka dot mat. During the game, it is very serious for those who are twisting. Yet for observers, it’s quite humorous. Eventually, the people get so twisted into each other they can’t hold it any longer. Everyone falls down and there is relief and laughter.

How interesting. I’ve never heard of trying this. As a runner, what comes up for me is recovery time. There is cold tolerance during the real n and recovery after the run. Perhaps treat cold recovery similar to how we would treat heart rate recovery or lactate recovery. For example, one measure of fitness is how quickly heart rate returns to baseline after running an interval. Perhaps you could measure how long it takes your body to return to temperature homeostasis. For now, it is 1-2 hrs. Perhaps after two months, it will only take a half hour. That would show adaptation. Yet this assumes the uncomfortable cold feeling isn’t too stressful on the mind and body.

George Gurdjieff lived from 1866-1949. A generation before Alan Watts. I wonder if George influence Alan in any way. They didn’t have the internet back then. . .

My pleasure ♥️ ?

@RIP It sounds like you are happy, content and satisfied living in the moment. That’s great. Enjoy it. It’s a wonderful place to be.

There you go. You have a desire to learn something that might not make you feel good. ?? You don’t need me to explain anything to you. You now have everything you need to explore. You have your own desire for something that might not make you feel good. What is that desire? Where does it come from? What is it’s nature? How is it similar and different than a desire to feel good? Is it a form of curiosity? Meditation would be a great practice to observe these dynamics. Or this may not be of interest to you and you may desire to watch YT all day to feel good. Thats cool too.

Do you have a desire to know this? What if the answer didn’t make you feel good? Would you still want to know?

A desire for feeling good is certainly a fundamental desire at the personal/human level, yet there is much more available. Pursue your genuine desires. If your genuine desire is to feel good and watching YT all day makes you feel good, then go for it.