Forestluv

This thread has run its course and the OP has expressed his view repeatedly. It’s clear to everyone. The thread has devolved into troll vs anti-troll and is entering splintering the community and distraction territory.

@MarkTwein Ocean and Moutan is are both great settings. I would pick mountains, yet that’s justo my preference. I would try to avoid crowds, touristy areas and having to interact with a lot of people. If you choose ocean, I would be very cautious about swimming in an ocean while tripping. Yet during the afterglow might be cool. Ime, sex while tripping can be bizarrely amazing or bizarrely unappealing. I wouldn’t plan on having sex near the the peak, unless both people are on the same wavelength. Yet for me, the comedown often has a wonderful connected oneness, which is lovely for sex.

The thread has devolved into racial stereotypes. Rise up guys.

Fight or flight is a common physiological response to perceived danger - yet is not always the case. I’ve had several experiences in which I faced imminent death or serious injury - there was no anxiety, fear or panic. In fact, there was a presence of peace and freedom. This is transcendent to self survival, so the idea of “I’m not going to bother” is not relevant. The self is absent, not neglected.

@WHO IS Yes, it can be reflective of exploring a new realm. For example, early this morning I was a dream character in Kathmandu. As I started coming in and out of the dream, I didn’t care if I stayed asleep and the dream character lived or if I woke up and the dream character died.

It’s super common to conflate absolute and relative love. This is why direct experience of absolute love is so essential. Theorizing about it won’t cut it. Both absolute and relative love have value. I’m not suggesting to reject one or the other. It’s the conflation that causes confusion. I think it may be easier for the mind to understand the framing of “unconditional love” and “conditional love”. Most people would say “yes, unconditional love is the highest level. I’m all for unconditional love”. Well. . .they are all for it until they realize what unconditional love means - it mean love under all conditions - including kindness, sunsets, laughter, connection and also viruses, hatred, murder, abortion etc. It is unconditional love. . . We can also set up a system of conditional love - forms of love that are dependent on conditions. We could say that love is things like being kind to others, a feeling of acceptance and caring for another. In terms of expanding ones capacity toward unconditional love, it was not helpful for me to focus on the extreme. My mind would say “What??!! How can Hitler, rapists and murderers be love? Look at the harm they cause others!”. This was a defense of my mind from expanding my capacity of love into areas that felt uncomfortable. To gain the experience of expanding my love, I immersed myself into areas that were right on my threshold. For example, people with mental illness. I didn’t hate them or love them. They were strange to me and I often felt uncomfortable. Like if I saw a homeless person with a mental illness, I would get uncomfortable and move away. So I decided to spend a few years volunteering in a psychiatric hospital. Once or twice a month, I would sit with psychiatric patients and talk with them. Mostly I listened. At first it was uncomfortable, yet over time I began to relate differently, my capacity to love expanded and I loved them. This wasn’t something I could have done theorizing with books or online forums. I actually had to do it through direct experience.

Have you ever balanced stones in nature? Not just a couple of easy stones. Something challenging. It takes a lot of patience, effort and concentration. Yet not only do the stones get balanced, one’s own mind and body becomes balanced in the process. If a mind tries to little or too hard, it won’t work out. There are many fine adjustments that are made. Then there is that quiet moment of “yes”. There is complete stillness and balance. Yesterday, I finished a 30 day at-home yoga series. I averaged about 1hr of yoga everyday and didn’t miss a day. For the first couple of weeks, it was all about trying to get the postures right at a crude level. I tried to mimic the instructor and would think “Is this how it’s supposed to be? What did she mean by ‘internally’ rotating the hip? Is my shoulder aligned correctly?”. There were a lot of awkward moments trying to get the posture and there was no flow between postures. Yet after three weeks, there was a shift. My body was able to enter the postures at a crude level and then insights of fine tuning began to arose. I starting noticing how the mind and body are connecting. I noticed how the mind and breath can influence balance. I noticed both dramatic and subtle efforts of mind and body to maintain balance. Then the idea of effort entered. The balance between letting go and making fine adjustments. . . It’s amazing how many fine adjustments the mind and body constantly make to stay balanced. Yet for an untrained mind and body those balance efforts are like “If she had only done this. If I had only done that. If this happens, then. . . I don’t want this, I want that. . . I feel uncomfortable, I want comfort”. . . This is at a very crude level and leaves to a constant cycle of tumbling rocks. It would be like in the above photo, trying to carelessly stock rocks over and over - and getting frustrated each time. This want allow the development of presence, patience and focus. Last night, I was finishing the 30th day of Yoga. It ended with about 5min. of seated meditation, with palms up on knees and thumb and forefinger touching. There was awareness of many fine adjustments my mind and body was making to maintain balance. In the above photo, it would be somewhat easy to keep the stones standing if we maintained contact with our hands and made fine adjustments. The hard part is letting go of the stones and it’s still balance on it’s own with no effort from me. Similarly, it’s easy to keep ones balance while in this seated posture, if the mind and body is in contact making fine adjustments - it’s not like I’m going to flop over. The harder part is letting go and maintaining balance. Last night, it arose. I was the rocks in the photo. The body and mind just sat like those rocks. No subtle adjustments. No effort. Completely still and balanced. . . . There was a realization of “yes, that’s it” and an understanding of what it is. . . That realization is so important. It is worth more than reading, listening or theorizing hundreds of hours about the ISness of effortless balance. Getting a glimpse of being those rocks is a powerful realization of direct experience. The mind and body no longer needs to aimlessly wander around searching without knowing what it’s searching for. This doesn’t mean it’s easy to attain. Yet it’s now much easier to have direction and be able to be aware of “yes, that’s it”. . . Over the last week, there were about four moments of “yes, that’s it”. For example, flowing from one posture to another - in which they are no longer two separate postures. Rather, there was a fluidity. These moments of clarity, cannot be forced. They arise with practice, observation and balance between effort and letting go.

I would observe the mind’s creation of an “enlightened man”. What does the mind imagine? A man that is always peaceful, making YT videos and leading retreats with a vase of flowers by his side? If we were to search for enlightened men, would this not be a narrow range to search? . . . . I met an enlightened man in person, yet the only people that know about him are the people in his community. Yet they wouldn’t call him “enlightened”. They would simply call him a loving, wise man. . . He can’t be found on the internet or at large retreats. He lives in a small village in a remote area of Belize. Now that I think about it, he was black - yet at the time I didn’t see him as black, Perhaps because he didn’t see me as white. . . . I’ve also met many enlightened beings during my travels through South America. Yet I didn’t find them via the internet or books. I met them by talking to local villagers, connecting with humans, connecting with nature, and following my heart and intuition. I’ve met so many flavors of enlightened beings in some odd places. Some variations aren’t even human. It’s amazing what we can explore and discover. Prior to assuming who is enlightened, I would consider what criteria I am using to judge who is “enlightened”. If I myself am not enlightened, how could I judge others as wether they are enlightened? I couldn’t. I would need to rely on what someone else says “enlightenment” is. Yet I wouldn’t know if that is actually enlightenment. I’d be taking their word for it. And how could I explore enlightenment if I allow myself to be restricted by what others tell me enlightenment is? Yet the flip side is. . . how would I know if my insights and direct experience is true? What if they are self delusions? This gets into what is ‘prior’ to analysis and interpretation. Yet the self can be quite tricky in how it creates memories and experience as well as taking ownership. In this context, it can be helpful to have a mirror of ourself. Such a mirror could be another being, yet is not limited to other beings. I tend to like mirrors that are clear. And knowing what is clear can take a lot of observation, some of which can be uncomfortable because to perceive a clear mirror clearly, my perception needs yo be clear. If my lens of perception is cloudy and distorted, I will perceive the clearest mirror as cloudy and distorted.

Yes, when ideas are loosely held it’s amazing what can happen. . .

@John Doe Yes, there is nondual blabber. Within this context, what I wrote can be considered nonsense without value. In a more practical sense, I would consider SD theory to be like a quality map. Like any quality map, it has situational value. It would be narrow-minded to think a single map is flawless and provides all definitive answers.

What is there prior to “completely right” or “completely wrong”? What lies within “completely right” and “completely wrong”? Notice how the mind constructs “right” and “wrong”. The mind can hold ideas loosely and be fluid. A fluid mind can construct, deconstruct and re-construct. Or let it go.

I find it quite easy to get the dose right with a dry herb electric vape. Much easier than any other ROA I’ve tried. It allows high resolution intensity control, because there are less variables. An electric dry herb vape removes the variable of having to control temperature. It offers a consistent temperature. The low vaporization efficiency doesn’t matter because the vaporization rate is consistent.

5-meo freebase can be vaporized in a standard electric dry herb vape.

A year old thread, bumped up by spam.

This moment caught my attention. It looks like a couple that is exploring together. Notice the togetherness. They are sharing the exploration. As well, notice the guy has spotted something he wants to share with his gf. Perhaps it’s a beautiful eagle flying through the sky. For her to see it, she must look up from viewing the map to view what he has spotted. I love the sense of curiosity and awe they have. This is exploration. This is discovery. This is connection. This is being. To me, this is Now expressing itself. It is free. . . . Now let’s recontextualize this example. Imagine the scenario went like this: Man: Omigosh, look!!! There is an amazing eagle flying through the sky!! Woman: You think you are so smart because you think you are some special eagle spotter. Show me on the map where the eagle is Man: You would need to look up from the map to see the eagle. Woman: I’ve been reading maps my whole life. I think I know how to read a map. Man: No, there is nothing wrong with the map. The map is great. You would need to look up from the map and look into the sky. Woman: Ah ha!!! You can’t show me the eagle on the map. Show me evidence there is a eagle. Man: You just need to look up to see what I’m pointing to. Woman: That’s your arm, not a eagle. You’ve shown me no evidence there is a bird. That’ just your perspective. You can disagree with me if you want. Man: It’s not “my” perspective and I don’t disagree with you. It’s just a beautiful eagle flying in the sky. Woman: You always have to be right and think I’m stupid. Let’s just stop. This is a very different dynamic than the original. Here, there is attachment, identification and self filters. This prevents the exploration, curiosity, awe and connection. The filter adds in a “my” perspective vs. “your” perspective as well as who is right and who is wrong. There is attachment/identification to “my” view. . .This is a contracted mindset that will not expand. She is contracted within her view of the map. She has taken ownership by creating a thing called “my” view. And she wants to defend that view. Her self identity is attached to the “my view” she has created and the survival of that self depends on her defending it. This may seem like a silly example, yet humans are constantly doing it with each other and are unaware of it. That is essential for the maintenance of manufactured beliefs and self construct, to be unaware of it’s manufacture and maintenance. I can’t tell you how many times I point to an “eagle” and say “Look, I beautiful eagle flying in the sky”. And then the other person wants to debate “my perspective of an eagle flying in the sky”. This happens with all sorts of things, including ideas. . . It creates opposing forces of “my” view vs. “your” view. It has no been personalized with owners. To let go of this can feel like dying to a person. . . Yet holding on prevents exploring the magnificence of Being Now and sharing it with others. However, this doesn’t mean all views are worth exploring. If someone was pointing to a clogged toilet in a public bathroom, it’s not something I’d want to explore with them. Yet I would not create ownership like there is a person that “owns” the clogged toilet and another person that “doesn’t own” the clogged toilet. It is merely an appearance of Now with no owner. Ideas are appearances Now with no owner, just like the flying eagle is an appearance with no owner. Yet unfortunately, many minds stay within a contracted view they are attached and identified with. They may stay their entire lives within this contraction and never truly explore. And they miss flying eagles. To me this is sadness. I can imagine myself experiencing the joy of seeing our first eagle together. It doesn’t matter who spotted it. There is no “my eagle” and “your eagle”. . . I can also imagine myself wanting to share the joy of seeing a flying eagle together, yet she wouldn’t look up from an attached personalized view. Here, I would likely feel sadness.

As a child, I was watching The Wizard of Oz. I was super immersed in the movie and when the flying monkeys came after Dorothy and her friends, I became very scared and distressed. My mom tried to calm me down by telling me it wasn’t real, it was only pretend. . . .

Keep in mind that EEG has high temporal resolution, yet awful spatial resolution. For spatial activity, one would need fMRI.

I would be careful in adopting a “maverick” identity. Of course there is resistance in innovation and development. Yet a maverick attitude of me against everyone else interferes with attracting and working with others.

@LaucherJunge That’s not what I found interesting and was referring to. You seem to have a very different interpretation of the video than I do.

My drinking interfered in my life when I was younger. My last drink was in 1992 and I never missed it. There is so much more in life to do. Plus, alcohol reduces consciousness. If I’m at an event, like a concert, with people drinking and feeling loose, I may take a low dose psychedelic or edible cannabis to spice things up. Alcohol doesn’t resonate with me anymore.

Interesting video on mind structure. I particularly liked the part about “conspirituality”. The sameness and difference between “good trip / bad trip”, distortions and interpretive filters. I’ve experienced some of these dynamics, yet hadn’t seen the inter-connections the make in their model.

No context given. A low conscious rant.

Yin yoga. . . . It’s also very meditative and insightful.

That’s a great vision. I like how you are integrating psychedelics with several different areas.

Why would that be dangerous?