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@Nak Khid The first description states a link, yet they didn’t provide any studies. The abstract to the article did not state a specific link between a family history of schizophrenia and LSD-related schizophrenia. The study doesn’t even include people with LSD-related schizophrenia.

@tashawoodfall Please include a source when posting those types of statistics. There is a lot of misinformation being spread in this area.

I understand how upsetting this is when perceived through a relative, form of love. And I’m not downgrading relative love. Yet there is another context. One idea is to take out the human part. Imagine hiking in the forest and it all becomes so beautiful. You are not picking and choosing “That is ugly. That is beautiful”. You love it all as beauty, the entire forest. The rocks, wind, fallen trees, dead pine needles, birds, the microbes consuming decaying logs, the stream, insects, the fish swimming to the surface to eat insects. It’s all one beautiful inter-connected cycle of love. . . Yet something interesting happens when we add in humans. The dynamics change. If we see a decaying tree log being eaten by microbes, it is part of the beautiful love, yet if we saw a decaying human body being eaten by microbes it would be shocking and horrific. . . This is the contrast between unconditional love and relative love. And I’m not saying that relative love is lesser or bad. They are equally beautiful. Yet you are conflating unconditional love with relative love.

By saying “how risky” you are assuming it is a risk. I’m not aware of any studies showing it is a risk.

Thanks for the recommendation. Looks interesting.

That’s too loosey-goosey for me. First, because schizophrenia has so many factors, any one factor is going to be very difficult to detect because the effect will likely be small. Previous anectodal reports may give a hint if there is a correlation, yet more formal studies would be needed to investigate deeper. . . . For example, if someone experiences some type of mental instability / depression sometime after tripping it’s very common to blame it on the psychedelic. People look for something unique that happened in their life and attribute causation to it. . . Yet recent clinical studies showed that participants that underwent psychedelic therapy did not have higher instances of mental instability, depression, suicide attempts etc. than the control group that went through traditional therapy without psychedelics. The clinical studies are still relatively new and they wanted to be extra cautious about possible risks and screened out anyone with a family history with schizophrenia. At this point, I would give more weight to animal studies than anecdotal self-reports and self diagnoses.

In America, Denver Colorado and a few cities in California have legalized psyches.

Yea, it would make more sense If we were all trippin’ balls together ?

@Epikur I agree that there is confusion and ambiguity of what socialism, democratic socialism and social democrat is. And I agree Bernie was vague about this and his opposition easily painted him as a whacky socialist. You make an interesting point that if he adopted a new, cleaner term like social democrat he may have gotten more support. I knew some democrats that didn’t vote for him because he wasn’t a “real democrat” and they were worried he wouldn’t be loyal to the party. Regarding M4A, it seems like some of the confusion is that only the cost of M4A is presented and people assume that it is an additional cost. For example, if I only told someone the cost of a car is $32,000 it would seem unaffordable, if I leave out the part that they will be getting $34,000 trade-in for their old car. . . In this context, it’s probably better to just say that M4A will save money.

Do they have Dutch Brothers coffee in the Netherlands?

For women’s perspective on nonduality, are you familiar with Lisa Cairns and Ananta Kranti? They are my two favorite female speakers.

What’s the yoga/alchemy/healing Tao scene like in the Netherlands? Is it popular? Are there a lot of yoga studios and retreats available?

That’s a very good question and something I wish we could estimate. Those studies haven’t been done. Schizophrenia is a multifactorial condition with many different inputs. It’s estimated that 30 or so genes contribute to manifesting the condition as well as various environmental inputs. Plus, it is a complex neurological condition involving alterations in various signaling pathways and sometimes improper pruning of neurites. . . No one factor is sufficient to cause the condition, it’s a combination of many factors. And we don’t know for sure if psychedelics are a contributing factor. Yet if they are, I would speculate that the increased risk would be marginal because it’s such a complex condition and there are so many factors involved. An analogy might be the stage of a play. Even if the main actor walks on stage, there isn’t a play performed. The main actor is an influential component, yet there are many other things that also need to be assembled first. There is the lighting, there is the sound system, costumes, other actors, ticket collectors, the audience etc.

The funniest part of Phil Hendrie is the people’s reactions that actually believe it’s real. I often thought “How could someone actually believe this is real?”. And now here I am on the other side. . . Phil Hendrie could easily create a new character that thinks Trump is a brilliant genius and bait liberals into calling in. . . .

The website I linked is not a random website. It is the website for the Democratic Socialist political party in the U.S. Whether you believe Democratic Socialism is “wrong” is up to you. I believe it is an upgrade from the current U.S. system. For the M4A, I gave a link above of a meta review of 22 independent studies of M4A costs. The consensus is that M4A is significantly less expensive than the current system. The trick health insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyists are using is to say that M4A will be too expensive. For example, it will cost $32 billion dollars, the cost of the military budget! That would bankrupt the country!! The part they leave out is the current system is about $34 billion dollars, so it is actually saving $2 billion dollars. . . This is a very straightforward point, yet some people have difficulty with it. . . Imagine going to buy a new car. The cost of the car is $32,000 and the dealership offers you $34,000 trade-in for your old car. It would be silly to say “I can’t afford the car because I don’t have $32,000”, because they dealership is giving you $34,000 for your old car. Not only will you be able to afford it, you are making $2,000!! This is one of the most effective misinformation tactics used by health care and pharmaceutical lobbyists., I’m not sure why people fall for it. If you don’t understand the above explanation, could you tell me why? That way I can improve my explanation,. Thanks.,

This reminds me of the Phil Hendrie Show. . . Phil Hendrie is a ham radio personality in Los Angeles. He would create these outrageous characters that would “call in” to the show. He could do about 15 different voices, both men and women. He even had two microphones - a quality microphone for him as a host and a crappy microphone that he talked into as the “call in character”. He would create these outrageous stories and about 1% of the listeners thought it was real. In the LA market, 1% was enough for people to call in outraged. He kept stringing the caller along, making the story even more absurd. . . For example, one of his characters was “Jay Santos” who was a self-appointed patrolman of the “citizens auxiliary police“. He had no authority for policing yet thought he was a big shot on this agency he created. “Jay” would tell stories about how he would patrol neighborhoods and give citations to people that misbehaved. In one episode during the summer, “Jay” told stories about how he would go to Walmart and wait in parking lots and write citations to girls that were wearing skirts above their knees as that’s inappropriate. Some people actually believed this guy was real and would call in outraged that he was going to Walmarts writing his pretend citations to girls wearing shorts. One guy got so angry he said he was going to start visiting all the Walmarts in the county and when he finds “Jay” he would kick his ass. . . Phil Hendrie was a master at stringing people along and had about 15 different characters and all sorts of stories. This reminds me of the Phil Hendrie show. Someone playing an unbelievable character and stringing us along as we believe it’s real. Maybe I’m wrong, yet it’s becoming too absurd to believe it’s real.

The claim is not about policy, scandal or corruption. It is about idiocy. It has nothing to do with “nothing burger” Trump has refused to exercise during his life because he believes that the human heart has a finite number of heart beats and exercising will use up those heartbeats faster. <= That is idiocy. It has nothing to do with policy, scandals, corruption, media manipulation. That is an idiotic belief that he holds. At this point, I don’t know if you are trolling for entertainment. I hope you are laughing your ass off as you string us along on a troll. I hope you are not serious about what you are writing.

He literally said injecting disinfectant into the body. It doesn’t matter the “somehow”. Drinking it, injecting it or plugging it up the ass. Introducing disinfectant into the body (by any means) is lunacy. And it doesn’t matter if it’s policy or not. This has nothing to do with your distrust of the media. Trump himself is a baboon. He is not intelligent. He himself brags about never reading books and knowing more than experts. That has nothing to do with the media.

No, I used it in context. He speculated we should look into ingesting disinfectant to kill the coronavirus. He stood by his remarks and White House personnel defended his remarks. Two days later he realized how idiotic he looked and said “I was just joking” to save face., He obviously wasn’t joking. I don’t. I listen to and watch the original statements out of Trump’s mouth in full context. 1. This considerations themselves are idiocy. If you are setting the bar at policy, that is a VERY low bar. 2. Several of the idiotic ideas he pushed advisors to actually work on. For example, he pushed advisors into looking into buying Greenland and getting cost estimates on building a moat with snakes and alligators around the wall. Very gullible and easily manipulated. . . Notice how you have to twist yourself into all sorts of pretzels to protect your admiration and identity with Trump. “Well. . . Trump probably meant this.”, “No, they are all after Trump”, “Trump was just joking” and on and on and on . . . Would you like to attend Trump University? Lol

@Opo M4A would be less expensive than the current system. Yes, health insurance and pharmaceutical companies are pushing a disingenuous anti-M4A campaign to their protect profits. They have powerful lobbyist that fund most politicians and have leverage on policy. At a social level, there are several lines of misinformation pushed: 1. We can’t afford M4A. It will cost $32 trillion dollars!! The part they leave out is the current system costs $34 trillion dollars and they would actually save money with M4A. This has been a highly effective misinformation campaign. The majority of Americans still believe M4A would cost and additional $32 trillion dollars and would bankrupt the country. 2. The government would take control of private healthcare firms. Not true. The government would just be a single payer to private healthcare firms. 3. You would lose you access to your doctor (not true). 4. Freeloaders. You would be paying the healthcare costs for lazy people and undocumented people in the U.S. (very misleading since out of pocket costs would go down for everyone except the very wealthy. This is the same strategy lobbyists used in Canada decades ago.

http://www.schizophrenia.com/research/hereditygen.htm

Correct. Idiotic examples for Trump: 1. Let’s drop a nuclear bomb into a hurricane to blow it up. 2. Let’s create a water-filled moat around The Wall that will be stocked with snakes and alligators (he ordered cost estimates for this). 3. Let’s try ingesting disinfectant to kill the coronavirus. 4. He repeatedly pushed advisors to look into buying Greenland 5. Windmills cause cancer Trump prides himself in never reading books and knowing more than experts. This contributes to his idiocy. Sorry to break the news to you, but Trump is even lower on the spiral. Trump is centered in Stage red.

These costs were considered in the 22 studies I linked above. M4A is single payer. It means there is only one payer (the U.S. government). There will still be the same private healthcare firms. Rather than getting paid by various health insurance companies, the private healthcare firms will be paid by the U.S. government. Single Payer healthcare is significantly less expensive than the current system. I linked a meta review above that reviewed 22 independent studies of M4A in the U.S. The consensus is that M4A is cheaper than the current system. One of the main misinformation tactics by health insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyists is that the costs are too high. It will cost 32 trillion dollars!!! The part they leave out is that we currently pay 34 trillion dollars. The health insure and pharmaceutical companies are making obscene profits and are trying to protect their profits by spreading misinformation. They are not on your side. Don’t fall for it.

These costs were considered in the 22 studies I linked above. M4A is single payer. It means there is only one payer (the U.S. government). There will still be the same private healthcare firms. Rather than getting paid by various health insurance companies, the private healthcare firms will be paid by the U.S. government. Single Payer healthcare is significantly less expensive than the current system. I linked a meta review above that reviewed 22 independent studies of M4A in the U.S. The consensus is that M4A is cheaper than the current system. One of the main misinformation tactics by health insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyists is that the costs are too high. It will cost 32 trillion dollars!!! The part they leave out is that we currently pay 34 trillion dollars. The health insure and pharmaceutical companies are making obscene profits and are trying to protect their profits by spreading misinformation. They are not on your side. Don’t fall for it.

The U.S. spends an enormous amount on the military (more than the next 10 countries combined). I would say the main advantage is securing the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency and the petro dollar. Yet this is starting to change. There have also been enormous inefficiencies and bungled military interventions. For example, the Iraq war wasted and enormous amount of money. I see a couple problems with the U.S. military. First, there is a historical American identity associated with the military and being able to “kick their asses”. For many Americans, there is a deep sense of identity and patriotism with the military. This makes it very difficult for any politician to speak rationally about the military budget. Any politician that even suggested we should consider cutting back on the military is demonized as “weak on defense”. . . . The second problem is that the military has become an enormous powerful for-profit corporation.