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The resources you list seem like the same arena to me. For a further expansion, perhaps consider the book “How to think like Leonardo DaVinci”.
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@Someone here Some insights are arising ?. Curiosity, exploration, discovery, fluidity and expansion. . .so magnificent.
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Forestluv replied to WorldlySavage's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
I think you are taking a detached view. Expansive meta views can be very valuable, yet there is also value in immersion. Imagine having a map of the entire country of Serbia. We cannot get fine details of Belgrade with that map. We would need to temporarily put down that meta map and take out a more detailed map of Belgrade. In doing so, we gain resolution at the expense of the big picture. Yet that is fine. We can zoom into the map of Belgrade for a while, learn some details and then return to the meta map of Serbia and connect some dots. As well, a high resolution map of Belgrade is still limited. To deeply understand Belgrade, we would have to actually visit and experience Belgrade. Ideally, we would live and work within Belgrade. Yet with those that have a very open mind and skills of connection, we could spend time with natives of Belgrade and get a sense of what it is like. To me, you are trying to be at a meta yellow level (a map of Serbia), without utilizing a higher resolution Green map (a map of Belgrade) and without knowing what it’s like to be Green (to be a native Belgrade person). Ideally, you would live and work in Green (Belgrade) for a while. If this is not possible, it would take empathic skills and imaginative skills to get a deeper sense of what it’s like. From a green perspective, what you describe is a cold intellectual mindset. The question becomes wether you want to try and understand from a detached analytical perspective or wether you want to understand from a connected, experiential knowing. I’m not saying one is better than the other. A map of Serbia is great. A map of Belgrade is great. Actually visiting Belgrade is great. Yet, they are all inter-connected and the deepest levels of understanding will come from an integration of all three levels. For example, if you understood what it’s like to actually be and experience the Green-ness you inquire about, you would know what it’s like. This would allow you to better connect dots at a Yellow level. . . This is one of the gaps for people that try to go from Orange to Yellow. They take a cognitive analytical look at Green (which has value), yet they have a huge gap because they never got direct experience of Being green. Consider this mindset: ”It seems to me that the green people who like violence and speaking on this level actually letting out a sort of repressed blue "us as a collective vs. them" dogmatic type thinking and it regresses to red: power, intimidation, ego, shouting, violence.“ Notice the detachment here. . . “It seems to me (1) that green people (2). . . “. You have separated yourself from “green people”. This is indicative of a gap of being green. You don’t know what it’s like to be Green. A person that has developed through green and into yellow would not say “me” and “green people”, because they ARE a green person. They have embodied green. They know exactly what it’s like because it’s them. They have direct access to it. To me, you are trying to go yellow without the integration of green. As a personal analogy, years ago I wanted to learn about Spanish cultures. I read about Spanish cultures and watched documentaries about Spanish culture. I realized that if I wanted to reach a deeper level, I would need to visit Spanish-speaking countries, which I did. Yet all of this was with English. I finally realized that if I wanted to get to an even deeper level of understanding Spanish culture, I would need to learn to speak Spanish. . . -
Forestluv replied to Nak Khid's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Nak Khid If you genuinely want to see what is pointed to, you will first need to acknowledge that you are missing something. If you stay with in a mindset of “my idea of love is right and what you are saying is wrong”, you will not be able to have a realization. Notice how your mind keeps correcting others as “no that’s not love, this is what love is”. You keep re-enforcing your idea of love and will not be able to realize beyond that idea with that mindset. If you acknowledge there is something new here for you to discover, the next step is to get curious. There needs to be some curiosity about discovering something new that you are missing. An indication of this is that there will be new questions of curiosity that arise. In my view, you are still at step 1. You haven’t acknowledged there is something you are missing here. I could go on and on trying to show you, yet in your current mindset there is a filter that keeps processing within your current mindset. You would need to acknowledge that I can see something here that you cannot. I am not saying your idea is wrong. Within the idea it is right. I am saying there is something you are not seeing. For some minds, that is exciting. Yet your mind puts up a block. If you are unable to get through step 1 with love, I would drop it. The mental cycle you are in will not help. It will only make matters worse by re-enforcing your mindset. My impression is that realizing a greater sense of love is too big of a jump for you right now. I’ve found that it can be helpful to try other areas in which my blocks are not as strong. Yet this assumes the mind genuinely wants to expand, rather than prove it’s point. If you genuinely want to have realizations, I would try temporarily drop love and move into another area you might have a weaker attachment to and try to break through. For example, you stated that the forest I described was “beautiful”. Yet I said there was death and dying in the forest. There were living entities that were in the process of dying and trying to survive. There is bird poop and decaying plants and animals. Yet you still considered the big picture of the forest to be beautiful. Notice how we are saying it is all beautiful. We are not placing any conditions on beauty. We are not picking and choosing what counts as “beautiful” and what counts as “ugly”. If you can cognitively see that is all beautiful (without creating any “yea but . . . “ qualifications, it is a big step forward. Yet it is still complete. In addition to a cognitive understanding, there is a energetic and heart awakening. Actually being in the forest and “getting” the absolute beauty on energetic and heart levels. As well, the absolute beauty is not just limited to “Forestry stuff”. You would need to add in humans and still see the absolute beauty, regardless of the conditions of the humans. If you cannot see the absolute Beauty and your mind is analyzing this, I would drop down to absolute perfection. Ime, this is easier and more straightforward. In any moment, the forest is absolutely Perfect. Don’t just do this cognitively. If you are serious about exploring and expanding consciousness, get out of your analytical head and actually go out into nature and see for yourself. Realize that the forest is absolutely Perfect exactly as it is. Even the bird poop, mosquitoes and decaying plants and animals are within the Perfection. You would need to add in imperfections. You would need to pick and choose what is perfect and imperfect. . . See if you can have a “Ah ha!!! Omg, I get it!!!” Moment. If you cannot see the absolute Perfection. I wold drop down to an easier level to absolute ISness. Whatever is in the forest, IS. The tree is tree. The bird poop is bird poop. A decaying animal is a decaying animal. It would be silly to say “That decaying animal is not a decaying animal”. Even cognitively, there is no way around this. What is, IS. If you have a sense, you’ve “got” this, then I would try to work my way back up from absolute ISness, to absolute Perfection, to absolute Beauty, to absolute Love. Be mindful of when you get stuck. This all assumes you have a genuine desire to expand your consciousness. If you do not, please do not interfere with those on the forum that do have a genuine desire to expand their consciousness. Your insistent conflation of relative and absolute love causes fog for others in the process of growing. -
@Nak Khid The first description states a link, yet they didn’t provide any studies. The abstract to the article did not state a specific link between a family history of schizophrenia and LSD-related schizophrenia. The study doesn’t even include people with LSD-related schizophrenia.
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Forestluv replied to Eren Eeager's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@tashawoodfall Please include a source when posting those types of statistics. There is a lot of misinformation being spread in this area. -
Forestluv replied to Nak Khid's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I understand how upsetting this is when perceived through a relative, form of love. And I’m not downgrading relative love. Yet there is another context. One idea is to take out the human part. Imagine hiking in the forest and it all becomes so beautiful. You are not picking and choosing “That is ugly. That is beautiful”. You love it all as beauty, the entire forest. The rocks, wind, fallen trees, dead pine needles, birds, the microbes consuming decaying logs, the stream, insects, the fish swimming to the surface to eat insects. It’s all one beautiful inter-connected cycle of love. . . Yet something interesting happens when we add in humans. The dynamics change. If we see a decaying tree log being eaten by microbes, it is part of the beautiful love, yet if we saw a decaying human body being eaten by microbes it would be shocking and horrific. . . This is the contrast between unconditional love and relative love. And I’m not saying that relative love is lesser or bad. They are equally beautiful. Yet you are conflating unconditional love with relative love. -
By saying “how risky” you are assuming it is a risk. I’m not aware of any studies showing it is a risk.
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Thanks for the recommendation. Looks interesting.
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That’s too loosey-goosey for me. First, because schizophrenia has so many factors, any one factor is going to be very difficult to detect because the effect will likely be small. Previous anectodal reports may give a hint if there is a correlation, yet more formal studies would be needed to investigate deeper. . . . For example, if someone experiences some type of mental instability / depression sometime after tripping it’s very common to blame it on the psychedelic. People look for something unique that happened in their life and attribute causation to it. . . Yet recent clinical studies showed that participants that underwent psychedelic therapy did not have higher instances of mental instability, depression, suicide attempts etc. than the control group that went through traditional therapy without psychedelics. The clinical studies are still relatively new and they wanted to be extra cautious about possible risks and screened out anyone with a family history with schizophrenia. At this point, I would give more weight to animal studies than anecdotal self-reports and self diagnoses.
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Forestluv replied to TrustTheProcess's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
In America, Denver Colorado and a few cities in California have legalized psyches. -
Forestluv replied to TrustTheProcess's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Yea, it would make more sense If we were all trippin’ balls together ? -
Forestluv replied to TrustTheProcess's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Epikur I agree that there is confusion and ambiguity of what socialism, democratic socialism and social democrat is. And I agree Bernie was vague about this and his opposition easily painted him as a whacky socialist. You make an interesting point that if he adopted a new, cleaner term like social democrat he may have gotten more support. I knew some democrats that didn’t vote for him because he wasn’t a “real democrat” and they were worried he wouldn’t be loyal to the party. Regarding M4A, it seems like some of the confusion is that only the cost of M4A is presented and people assume that it is an additional cost. For example, if I only told someone the cost of a car is $32,000 it would seem unaffordable, if I leave out the part that they will be getting $34,000 trade-in for their old car. . . In this context, it’s probably better to just say that M4A will save money. -
Forestluv replied to TrustTheProcess's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Do they have Dutch Brothers coffee in the Netherlands? -
Forestluv replied to TrustTheProcess's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
For women’s perspective on nonduality, are you familiar with Lisa Cairns and Ananta Kranti? They are my two favorite female speakers. -
Forestluv replied to TrustTheProcess's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
What’s the yoga/alchemy/healing Tao scene like in the Netherlands? Is it popular? Are there a lot of yoga studios and retreats available? -
That’s a very good question and something I wish we could estimate. Those studies haven’t been done. Schizophrenia is a multifactorial condition with many different inputs. It’s estimated that 30 or so genes contribute to manifesting the condition as well as various environmental inputs. Plus, it is a complex neurological condition involving alterations in various signaling pathways and sometimes improper pruning of neurites. . . No one factor is sufficient to cause the condition, it’s a combination of many factors. And we don’t know for sure if psychedelics are a contributing factor. Yet if they are, I would speculate that the increased risk would be marginal because it’s such a complex condition and there are so many factors involved. An analogy might be the stage of a play. Even if the main actor walks on stage, there isn’t a play performed. The main actor is an influential component, yet there are many other things that also need to be assembled first. There is the lighting, there is the sound system, costumes, other actors, ticket collectors, the audience etc.
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Forestluv replied to TrustTheProcess's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
The funniest part of Phil Hendrie is the people’s reactions that actually believe it’s real. I often thought “How could someone actually believe this is real?”. And now here I am on the other side. . . Phil Hendrie could easily create a new character that thinks Trump is a brilliant genius and bait liberals into calling in. . . . -
Forestluv replied to TrustTheProcess's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
The website I linked is not a random website. It is the website for the Democratic Socialist political party in the U.S. Whether you believe Democratic Socialism is “wrong” is up to you. I believe it is an upgrade from the current U.S. system. For the M4A, I gave a link above of a meta review of 22 independent studies of M4A costs. The consensus is that M4A is significantly less expensive than the current system. The trick health insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyists are using is to say that M4A will be too expensive. For example, it will cost $32 billion dollars, the cost of the military budget! That would bankrupt the country!! The part they leave out is the current system is about $34 billion dollars, so it is actually saving $2 billion dollars. . . This is a very straightforward point, yet some people have difficulty with it. . . Imagine going to buy a new car. The cost of the car is $32,000 and the dealership offers you $34,000 trade-in for your old car. It would be silly to say “I can’t afford the car because I don’t have $32,000”, because they dealership is giving you $34,000 for your old car. Not only will you be able to afford it, you are making $2,000!! This is one of the most effective misinformation tactics used by health care and pharmaceutical lobbyists., I’m not sure why people fall for it. If you don’t understand the above explanation, could you tell me why? That way I can improve my explanation,. Thanks., -
Forestluv replied to TrustTheProcess's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
This reminds me of the Phil Hendrie Show. . . Phil Hendrie is a ham radio personality in Los Angeles. He would create these outrageous characters that would “call in” to the show. He could do about 15 different voices, both men and women. He even had two microphones - a quality microphone for him as a host and a crappy microphone that he talked into as the “call in character”. He would create these outrageous stories and about 1% of the listeners thought it was real. In the LA market, 1% was enough for people to call in outraged. He kept stringing the caller along, making the story even more absurd. . . For example, one of his characters was “Jay Santos” who was a self-appointed patrolman of the “citizens auxiliary police“. He had no authority for policing yet thought he was a big shot on this agency he created. “Jay” would tell stories about how he would patrol neighborhoods and give citations to people that misbehaved. In one episode during the summer, “Jay” told stories about how he would go to Walmart and wait in parking lots and write citations to girls that were wearing skirts above their knees as that’s inappropriate. Some people actually believed this guy was real and would call in outraged that he was going to Walmarts writing his pretend citations to girls wearing shorts. One guy got so angry he said he was going to start visiting all the Walmarts in the county and when he finds “Jay” he would kick his ass. . . Phil Hendrie was a master at stringing people along and had about 15 different characters and all sorts of stories. This reminds me of the Phil Hendrie show. Someone playing an unbelievable character and stringing us along as we believe it’s real. Maybe I’m wrong, yet it’s becoming too absurd to believe it’s real. -
Forestluv replied to TrustTheProcess's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
The claim is not about policy, scandal or corruption. It is about idiocy. It has nothing to do with “nothing burger” Trump has refused to exercise during his life because he believes that the human heart has a finite number of heart beats and exercising will use up those heartbeats faster. <= That is idiocy. It has nothing to do with policy, scandals, corruption, media manipulation. That is an idiotic belief that he holds. At this point, I don’t know if you are trolling for entertainment. I hope you are laughing your ass off as you string us along on a troll. I hope you are not serious about what you are writing. -
Forestluv replied to TrustTheProcess's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
He literally said injecting disinfectant into the body. It doesn’t matter the “somehow”. Drinking it, injecting it or plugging it up the ass. Introducing disinfectant into the body (by any means) is lunacy. And it doesn’t matter if it’s policy or not. This has nothing to do with your distrust of the media. Trump himself is a baboon. He is not intelligent. He himself brags about never reading books and knowing more than experts. That has nothing to do with the media. -
Forestluv replied to TrustTheProcess's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
No, I used it in context. He speculated we should look into ingesting disinfectant to kill the coronavirus. He stood by his remarks and White House personnel defended his remarks. Two days later he realized how idiotic he looked and said “I was just joking” to save face., He obviously wasn’t joking. I don’t. I listen to and watch the original statements out of Trump’s mouth in full context. 1. This considerations themselves are idiocy. If you are setting the bar at policy, that is a VERY low bar. 2. Several of the idiotic ideas he pushed advisors to actually work on. For example, he pushed advisors into looking into buying Greenland and getting cost estimates on building a moat with snakes and alligators around the wall. Very gullible and easily manipulated. . . Notice how you have to twist yourself into all sorts of pretzels to protect your admiration and identity with Trump. “Well. . . Trump probably meant this.”, “No, they are all after Trump”, “Trump was just joking” and on and on and on . . . Would you like to attend Trump University? Lol -
@Opo M4A would be less expensive than the current system. Yes, health insurance and pharmaceutical companies are pushing a disingenuous anti-M4A campaign to their protect profits. They have powerful lobbyist that fund most politicians and have leverage on policy. At a social level, there are several lines of misinformation pushed: 1. We can’t afford M4A. It will cost $32 trillion dollars!! The part they leave out is the current system costs $34 trillion dollars and they would actually save money with M4A. This has been a highly effective misinformation campaign. The majority of Americans still believe M4A would cost and additional $32 trillion dollars and would bankrupt the country. 2. The government would take control of private healthcare firms. Not true. The government would just be a single payer to private healthcare firms. 3. You would lose you access to your doctor (not true). 4. Freeloaders. You would be paying the healthcare costs for lazy people and undocumented people in the U.S. (very misleading since out of pocket costs would go down for everyone except the very wealthy. This is the same strategy lobbyists used in Canada decades ago.
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http://www.schizophrenia.com/research/hereditygen.htm