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I was referring to a specific stage of development. In terms of SD, this would be evolving from Blue/Orange to Green. This transition is feasible in the countries such as the U.S., Canada and several European countries. Yet, countries like Syria and Afghanistan are at a very different developmental stage. Of course inclusion of LGBTQ people is not feasible in countries like Afghanistan. They are at a stage were we can encourage the realization that LGBTQ people should not be killed. They are no where near inclusion. That dynamic won’t arise for many decades. Yet the situation in countries like the U.S. is very different. This society already realizes that it’s not ok to kill LGBTQ people. This society is at a developmental point in which there is resistance to inclusion and equal rights, yet it is not red/blue resistance, it is blue/orange resistance. That is a very different dynamic. In the context of a society like the U.S., the argument of “it’s impractical” is Orange-level resistance. Saying that LGBTQ is immoral is Blue and saying LGBTQ inclusion is unreasonable Is Orange. At an Orange level, one would say “LGBTQ inclusion is unreasonable, so let’s keep things as they are (keep excluding LGBTQ)”. Orange has no interest in LGBTQ, unless it serves their own interest. For example, an Orange-level company may realize that they will lose business and profits if they don’t accept LGBTQ. A higher green or yellow view would have a very different orientation. They would be able to see that the “1 billion new genders” is a straw man. No one is advocating for 1 billion genders. This is Orange criticizing Green from below. Mature Green and Yellow are not motivated to preserve Blue/Orange level status quo. They are motivated for inclusion. A yelllow level view can see Green excess, yet criticizes from above, not from below. For example, yellow may see a University LGBTQ group’s demand for 30 new personal pronouns to be excessive and impractical. However, yellow is criticizing from above and has a different orientation that Orange. Orange will say “30 new personal pronouns is excessive and impractical!! Let’s keep things the way they are”. A yellow view would be “30 new personal pronouns is excessive and impractical! However, LGBTQ inclusion is important so let’s find a practical means of inclusion. Let’s introduce 2 new personal pronouns.”
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Forestluv replied to Akemrelax's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
This would illicit a lot of Blue outrage. Green’s priorities are coronavirus, BLM and defeating Trump. They would surely disapprove of him, yet there is a lot going on. -
It depends on the definition. Many definitions can be created. Definitions can have practical value in society, yet definitions can be quite restrictive.
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Forestluv replied to Forestluv's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
There are healthy aspects of Blue and Orange that built the country. That is worthy for green to integrate, respect and even honor. Yet there is also a toxic underbelly of Blue and Orange that is rancid. I think it’s important to acknowledge it and learn from it, yet in terms of psychological and societal development, I see little value in integrating it. In the course of evolution, some aspects go extinct. -
Forestluv replied to Forestluv's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
This is new. Public support for black issues in the South has never had over 50% support. My brother lives in South Carolina. I’ve been there about five times. Most of the people I met were decent blue stage people. Very religious and nationalistic. The main city of Charleston is Orange-centered with plenty of Blue and a sprinkling of Green. A lot of the people have pride in their history and heritage. For example, they have very strict codes about building new structures and repairing old buildings. Everything has to match the previous history. There is also a unique hospitality. Yet there are plenty of underlying racist aspects worse than up north. There are lots of confederate flags and monuments. Statues of slave traders. It came up in discussion a few times and everyone I met said it was “history” and “heritage” and they saw nothing wrong with them. I mentioned the civil war in a cafe and a few people got upset I called it the civil war. A man corrected me and said “You mean The War of Northern Aggression”. I thought they were playing with me, since I was obviously from up north. I laughed, thinking it was a joke and a couple guys got pissed. My brother grabbed my arm and told me they are serious and to shut up. . . The segregation and job disparity is much more severe than up north. It took me less than an hour to notice that black people only have lower level service positions. I specifically looked for a black person in a mid to high level position and didn’t see one. It was very rare to see black and white people co-mingling. You are either black or white there and have your place. It’s much more dramatic than up North or out west. I didn’t see any overt fire breathing racism. I never heard anyone using a racial slur. It’s a different type of racism - racial undertones. I dated a black woman a couple years ago and we agreed that we would not visit my family there due to the level of racism in the state. We went to Florida instead - which has a very different dynamic than South Carolina. We did Miami and the Florida keys and I felt no racism directed against us. Miami is has a lot of racial diversity and about half the people are bilingual with Spanish. -
Forestluv replied to Extreme Z7's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Good to see reddit purge hate speech. They were in need of better moderation. -
Forestluv replied to Forestluv's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Apparition of Jack Yep. They cannot be dismissed as looters or rioters. As well, I think this could prompt other Southern schools to produce similar videos. I wouldn’t be surprised if Alabama’s biggest rival, Clemson, released something soon. It’s to Green’s advantage to have Orange join in, even if Orange is motivated by their own self interests. -
The “free shit”:argument is shallow and flimsy. Speaking of free shit. . . what do you think of the 2 trillion dollars of free shit for corporate billionaires in the recent CARES act? All taxpayer money from the government, given to billionaires in secret. Zero oversight, accountability or transparency. 2 trillion of taxpayer money for more free shit for billionaires. Do you have any idea what 2 trillion dollars could do for society? That could revitalize the entire infrastructure in America. It could fix our crumbling bridges, roads and public buildings. It could allow all Americans to get a University degree at no cost for a generation. This is our taxpayer money and should go to our needs. But nooo, the 2T in taxpayer money went to billionaires so they can get some free shit they won’t even use. Why is it that conservatives only lose their shit over poor people that have no wealth or power? Yet they are totally fine when they get screwed over by welfare for billionaires? Are you really ok about paying for a Billionaire’s third yacht that he won’t even use? A third yacht or private helicopter is pennies to a billionaire. Why aren’t you upset that the government is giving him your taxpayer money so he can jerk off on his new yacht courtesy of you? He is literally laughing at you because you have no idea how he’s screwing you over. And oh yea, stay distracted by poor people asking for pennies. That’s how the billionaires want it. They hide in the shadows and point to scary black men getting a few pennies worth of “free shit”, while they screw 90% of Americans hard and get the real free shit. The top shelf of free shit. Wake up. Btw, have you listened to some Anand Giridharadas yet?
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Forestluv replied to 4201's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
That it some deep stuff you are uncovering, Thank you for sharing it with us. It isn’t easy. ♥️ ? -
Republicans suggestions to Trump during golfing aren’t getting through. FoxNews is sending a clear message to Trump to wake tf up.
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I think that is a valid concern. Substance use can be very sneaky. And it can be difficult to differentiate between one’s own intuition for personal wellness and “shoulds” that have been imposed by others. For example, imagine someone who vapes cannabis 4x per week. They don’t feel right about it and are beating themself up. Yet is this feeling of ‘not right’ coming from internal intuition of one’s own compass that we are starting to overdo and it is holding us back? Or is this feeling of ‘not right’ coming from societal imposed “shoulds” like vaping cannabis 4x per week means dependency and that you are not being as productive as you should be? As a non-substance example: I was conditioned to highly value being productive and I had a very difficult time giving myself permission to just do nothing or have senseless fun. Like I would go to the beach and be self criticizing myself that I should be doing something and I was wasting time. Or if I slept until 11am on a Sunday, I would beat myself up. This was way off balance and didn’t feel right. It didn’t feel right because these were unhealthy values conditioned into me. I was able to get beyond this to allow myself ‘do nothing time’ or simply non-productive fun. Yet I got so good at it that I started sleeping in every chance I got and developed a habit of doing nothing that started to become laziness and procrastination. Again, the feeling of ‘this isn’t right’ arose, yet this time it wasn’t from societal rules imposed upon me. Rather, it was my own internal compass of intuition. Kinda like getting lost in a forest and your internal compass just intuitively knows that we are off track and need to re-orient.
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Consider how capitalism and socialism can be integrated. In fact, it already is. Cars are capitalism and the roads are socialism. Moving forward, there are many ways we can integrate positive aspects of capitalism and socialism. For example, capitalism can offer healthy competition. This can provide energy of motivation to reach potential. This can be integrated with socialism. For example, the capitalistic competition and reward is toward social good. For example, car manufacturing has capitalistic and competitive components - yet there is also a toxic component of the fossil fuel industry, lobbyists and political corruption that directs the capitalism and competition toward obscene profits for billionaires and the destruction of the environment. How could some capitalism and socialism be Imagined here? What if we redivide this the energy of capitalism and competition toward social wellness goals? What if we had a competition to develop the cleanest-running cars? Each year, there is a competition of teams of developers toward a SuperBowl competition event each year. Society invests money into this competition and the most successful developers get the greatest rewards, yet the financial rewards are distributed fairly. No one gets to suck out 200 billion in profits, causing the whole system to collapse. This hybrid system combines good features of capitalism and good features of socialism. Imagine how efficient and rapid progress would be.
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Is traveling to foreign countries dissatisfaction with life? In a sense, we could say that someone who travels from Canada to S. America to learn Spanish and experience Spanish culture was “dissatisfied” with their life. In this context, if they were “satisfied” with their life, they would have stayed n Canada to keep doing what they were doing? Similarly, taking action for any new experience would be ‘dissatisfaction’ with one’s life. Training for a marathon, starting a new project, scuba diving, kayaking, reading about history would all be actions motivated by “dissatisfaction” with life. Part of the fog here, is the conditioning. If someone said “I want to increase my wellness, so I am starting a 30 day yoga program”, society would see this as a “good” thing. Society is conditioned to see this as a good thing. Yet much of society is conditioned to negatively perceive substances. For example, notice how you used the term “drugs”. This has a negative connotation. What if we rephrased the question to “does engaging in amazing activities = dissatisfaction of life?”. . . If someone goes scuba diving, they need the equipment of scuba gear. The scuba gear will allow them to enter a new magnificent underwater realm and a new conscious state. How different is that from using psychedelic gear to enter a new magnificent realm and new conscious state? To me, it’s about giving oneself a permission slip to explore. Yet of course, one can overdo it. Too much of anything isn’t a good thing.
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Forestluv replied to upstream's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I’ve worked through extreme anxiety with psychedelics and my experience is different than what you describe. This advice may be fine for most people that have moderate anxiety dynamics. Yet I would disagree for the minority of people that have deeper anxiety dynamics. It’s tempting to say “Just increase the dose and let go”. Some minds are not in a place to do this. It would be like dropping an 8 year old Australian boy in the center of Mumbai by himself and saying “Just let go”. Could the boy just let go and have fun exploring Mumbai? Sure. Yet there is a good chance that boy is going to have a traumatic experience. You frame it as a “release point”, which suggest a simple switch. Yet in some minds that release point can be like a spring that absorbs more and more tension until it finally snaps. This can lead to blackouts or mental trauma, depending on the mind. Increasing the dose to reach the “release point” uses a lot of leverage. In some minds it works out ok, in others not so much. Ime,, the sub-breakthrough zone (sub-release), is the zone of greatest anxiety. Depending on the mind, the sub-breakthrough zone can be expansive. Increasing the dose can keep increasing the intensity of the anxiety, which can create harm. Yes, the mind is creating this anxiety, yet that is where the mind is at. Rather than try to overwhelm the mind with brute force, I’ve found it better to meet the mind where it’s at and work at it’s edges at moderate stretch anxiety, similar to exposure therapy. You don’t give a person experiencing extreme harm anxiety a large knife. That is extreme leverage and a high risk to cause harm. Ime working through psychedelic-related anxiety, I found it much safer and effective to start with smaller doses that brought me to stretch zone of anxiety, yet not a panic zone. Lower doses don’t increase anxiety if the dose is lowered down to one’s stretch zone. As well, setting is really important. I’ve found peaceful, familiar settings to be best. For example, a low dose of 5-meo in serene nature may induce moderate anxiety, yet the mind and body start to realize “nothing bad is happening”. The mind and body can relax and start to notice the magnificence of nature and being one with it. Afterwards, the mind and body realize that nothing bad happened and there is no boogeyman waiting to torment. The mind and body also have some experience working through the anxiety. For me, a key was to work through the anxiety and also have some non-anxiety experience, even if this is an afterglow. This allows for reflection, contemplation, integration and embodiment. During the next trip, the mind and body is better conditioned and prepared. The edge can be pushed further out if one desires. Slow and steady wins the race. Some people have gone a different route and increased dosage to blast through anxiety and resistance. For some minds this works well, yet for minds that have serious anxiety dynamics this is risky. Yes, the mind could realize “Omg, I’m creating this anxiety. It’s all a lie. I can let go of it”. That is a powerful realization, yet can also be realized at low dosages. The risk of increasing the dose if if that “release point” doesn’t get released. Psychedelics can induce an extreme amount of anxiety into panic and trauma. Ironically, they can also relieve mental conditions of anxiety, panic and trauma when used responsibly. Overall for minds that are working through anxiety-inducing dynamics, I would recommend slow and steady. I would use a one year time frame in which psychedelics are combined with meditation, yoga, exercise, healthy diet, exercise, contemplation, integration and time in nature. I would only recommend going the brute force route if they only have a few shots available. For example, when I did an Ayahuasca retreat in Peru, I met several people that this was their only reasonable shot a breakthroughs with psychedelics. They only had between 1-3 ceremonies and knew that this was it. For example, there was a man from Japan who didn’t have resources to travel much. The psychedelic laws are extremely draconian in Japan. He pretty much knew this was his only chance. For him, it makes sense to take the risk of a high dose right out of the gate. He doesn’t have the option of slow and steady. -
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Peterson is like “Are tall people wrong? Just answer the question. Yes or no. Are tall people wrong? It’s a simple question. Are you afraid to answer it? Are tall people wrong?. . . Are tall people wrong? . . . “. I’d place destiny more at Orange than Green.
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He is brilliant. He is really good at playing a parody of a character. This stunt looks like something for a new type of Borat movies. After the set, Sacha disguised himself as a journalist and interviewed the event coordinator about what happened. That is some master trolling. I’m not sure I’d call this “mocking”. The crowd is enthusiastically participating. They love it. If it was liberals in the crowd pretending to be conservatives, that would be mocking. Yet these were actual conservatives in the crowd expressing themselves.
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The Old Testament is dripping with red. I try to keep in mind that it was a red level culture then. In two thousand years, humans may look back on Orange as barbaric. In 4020, humans might look back and say “Back in 2020, human societies had both billionaires and homeless people” and everyone gasps how barbaric that was.
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Would violence be more extreme in a low income community in which everyone had an automatic assault weapon capable of shooting 100 rounds per minute or a low income community with no guns? They only had things like knives, bats and hammers. I would predict violence would be more extreme in the community with automatic assault weapons. A single person can kill dozens of people in a minute with an automatic assault weapon, a person couldn’t do that with a knife. Even the best serial killer would need weeks to kill dozens of people with a knife and it would be super difficult to do.
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It won’t matter to those that are not impacted and want the status quo. Imagine that your finger length was in the lower 5% of the population and by that definition, you are a female. You are now expected to dress like a female and act like a female. You are called a chimeric female, stigmatized and bullied. When you say that you are actually a male and feel just like other men, scientists correct you and say “You are incorrect. Here are the facts about your finger length. You are actually a female”. AS well, people tell you that your experience of being a man is just relative, yet due to your finger length, you must act as a female. Imagine what that experience would be like. It would be awful. That’s what transgender and non-binary people have to go through. There is a difference between acknowledging someone’s relative experience and excesses. For example, imagine a group of non-binary people say that there are 20,623 variations of binary gender and demand 20,623 new personal pronouns. That is an excess. Yet it doesn’t invalidate the relative identity of non-binary, discrimination against non-binary people and the need for inclusion. There is a difference between saying “Sorry, based on the measurements of your genitalia, you are actually a male and must act like a male” vs saying “We recognize the relative gender identity of non-binary and the desire for inclusion. It is reasonable to create 1-3 new personal pronouns for better inclusion, yet 20,623 new pronouns is excessive”.
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Forestluv replied to Matys's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It’s a lot easier to observe a two-sided coin with detachment. It’s a lot harder when we add in self/human desires and survival. If the “heads” side is me getting beat up with baseball bats and the “tails” side is me not getting beat up with baseball bats, new dynamics are added in. As well, the coin being both heads and tails, does not exclude the perspective that there is a heads side and a tails side. The two perspectives are not mutually exclusive. The mind creates incompatible paradoxes. . . .Reality is Perfect Now and reality is imperfect relative to future reality to which the Perfect Reality moves. . . .I am Perfect Now and I am a work in progress. -
Forestluv replied to JayG84's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Notice that with the thought “There is/are. . . .”, comes creation of concepts, ideas, imagery etc. A mind can immerse itself into that which is created. . . It can also be insightful to observe the actual creation process itself arising. -
Forestluv replied to Matys's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Consider a coin. We could say that one side is heads and the opposite side is tails. From one perspective, this is true. We could also say that the coin is both heads and tails. This is true from another perspective. We could also say that the coin is neither heads nor tails. This is also true. Each perspective is true from that perspective and each perspective is partially true within the holism of all three perspectives. As well, notice how there is no opposite until the mind creates that opposite. The mind needs to create the idea that one side is heads and the opposite side is tails. That idea has lots of value. For example, at the start of some sports events a coin is flipped to see who gets the ball first. Here, we need to have a construct of two separate sides: heads and tails. Without that opposing sides of the coin, we couldn’t use the coin flip to make a binary decision. Each time the coin is flipped, the result would be “coin”. -
Yes, there are nuances. For example, it is much easier to govern small homogeneous populations by conservative principals. It doesn’t work in larger, more diverse populations. It would be like asking someone who only speaks English to teach people how to be polyglots. As well, the government structure in the U.S has many layers. There is local, state and federal levels of government. For example, at the local level, Atlanta is more liberal / democratic. They need to be to run a diverse city. However, at the state and federal level, Georgia is run by republicans. It’s not completely accurate to call Atlanta a city “run by the Democratic Party”.