Forestluv

The other day I was walking in our local nature center and to bored. It was all so familiar as I’ve been here so many times before. Yet then I realized this was the first time I’ve been Here Now. Then I started seeing and experiencing as if it was the first time I’d been there. Everything was unrecognizable. Like entering a dream in another world.

This one I can sorta describe. I was out in nature on some 4-AOC-dmt and became absolute Now. Yet this had a different vibe. I was not allowed to go into the past or future in my mind. People often talk about “yea, yea being in the Now”. Yet I was not allowed to leave Now. I became trapped in Now. It got super intense and I went into a panic. And everything was ISness. It couldn’t be not what IS. I wasn’t allowed to give any meaning to anything. It IS what it IS. I wanted to scream. Which is IS. I started running. IS. I wanted to jump from a tree. IS. I even thought about trying to call Leo for help. Yet anything Leo could say is IS. . . There was no escape. . . And then a freedom arose and joy entered. I started laughing as I said “Cloud is cloud”, “Duck is duck”, “Tree is Tree”, “Water is water”. It was so liberating and beautiful. And it stuck with me, perhaps because it was so intense it became seared within me. I can allow it to arise again.

Beau talks about the benefits of Trump as a security stress test:

Perhaps inquire “What is already knowing who I am?”

Would you see this as alliances such as the E.U., WHO and the G7 improving, expanding and becoming more powerful and influential? . . . A country that doesn’t join in would be marginalized and at a disadvantage. For example, they may get sanctions by the global alliance or get denied access such as immediate testing kits for the next pandemic. I think even some U.S. nationalists can see that it probably would have been better to accept the testing kits from the WHO in the early stages of the pandemic.

Of course. As a finite “anybody” there is the knowing of “anybody” and the lack of knowing “not anybody”. If we create a tree, it’s not a ham sandwich.

@Johnny5 ? ?

Sounds like a fun game. I don’t want to spoil the fun.

For sure. Imagination = Reality.

Of course not. The Source of course! The Wrapper! The Player!

Of course. Have fun with it ?

Of course. It’s fun to create that as well.

@zeroISinfinity The characters being creating are playing themselves. It’s fun stuff.

“"The basic concept of applying our models to physics is to imagine that the complete structure and content of the universe is represented by an evolving hypergraph. There is no intrinsic notion of space; space and its apparent continuum character are merely an emergent large‐scale feature of the hypergraph. There is also no intrinsic notion of matter: everything in the universe just corresponds to features of the hypergraph. There is also no intrinsic notion of time. The rule specifies possible updates in the hyper‐ graph, and the passage of time essentially corresponds to these update events occurring. ...” Cool. The hyper-graph is an imagined representation. . . It’s fun to create imagined representations. One of my favorite hobbies ?

I could tell you about the next episode, yet I don’t want to spoil the fun. Some folk like to play within a movie of creating a movie, such as creating a character and an “it” that the character hasn’t gotten yet. . . Such a juicy plot. Feels so good to create it. . . Oops. . .

If I am understanding you correctly, they claim that the graph is no-thing that gives rise to some-thing. How do they create the separation from a “no-thing graph” and the “some-things” it gives rise to? If we say “no-thing” gives rise to “some-things”, does not that “no-thing” become a “some-thing”? (Or vice-versa). If there is a distinction created between “no-thing” and “some-thing”, what is ‘prior’ to the creation of that distinction? . . Not what is ‘prior’ to some-thing, because that assumes there is a som-thing. Rather, what is ‘prior’ to the distinction to create “no-thing” separate from “some-thing”?

This reminds me. . . When I was a young kid at school, we created a “time capsule”. The teachers told us to put something in the capsule to send to people in the future. All the kids created something or chose an object and put it into the “time capsule”. We then went outside and buried it into the ground. I remember being fascinated by this and I wanted to put something special in the capsule for future people. A gift to them. Yet I forget what I put in the capsule. . .

That sounds like a responsible approach that takes care of the mind and body. Sometimes I imagine psychedelics to be like scuba diving. When everything is going well at one depth, I start to get curious about what exists deeper. I can feel a calling to explore deeper as well as a calling to take care of my mind and body. One thing I try to be mindful of is if my mind is creating and assuming there are scary sea creatures at deeper depths. For all I know, it’s mostly magnificent with a few troublesome sea creatures that need to get cleaned out. ? ?

That is a dynamic of Orange trying to skip Green into Yellow, which is very common. A well-integrated Yellow is not limited to modeling and language to understand the world. Integrated Yellow has integrated Green, which means they can also use things like empathy and intuition in understanding the world. It would be like saying a carpenter is always attached to using drills and screwdrivers to do his job. A well-rounded carpenter knows how to use drills and screwdrivers, yet they can also use hammers, saws, pliers etc.

We can say for sure that an exploration of LOA is above Orange. Blue is about praying to an external god for stuff. Orange is about setting goals and taking action to make it happen yourself. And Orange would be very skeptical of LOA as “woo woo” bullshit. They would want to see scientific experiments and “evidence” proving LOA. Yet they would want to decide what counts as “evidence” on their terms. At Green, Yellow and Turqoise, LOA is fair game for exploration. It just has a different form of expression. It would be like asking “Is hiking in nature Green, Yellow or Turqoise?”. It’s all of them, they just have different forms. A green mind may want to sit by the campfire, share stories and create human bonding. A yellow mind may want to create constructs about how the plants, insects, animals, river and trees are all inter-connected into a higher order ecosystem.

I imagine two teenagers at an amusement park, running toward the roller coaster ride. They are so excited to experience the immense joy of riding the roller coaster. Then one teenager stops and asks “Is the immense joy of riding the roller coaster worth the suffering of standing in line for 30min.?”. This is one way to frame it and within this frame, standing in line would be perceived as suffering. One could stand in line thinking “Look at those other kids on the roller coaster having fun and I have to stand in this stupid line. The line is moving so slowly. We are going to have to wait forever. We might as well leave and ride the lame kiddie turtle ride, there is no line there”. That is one mindset. Another mindset would be one of excitement and anticipation. As one waits in line, they actually feel excitement as they watch the kids on the roller coaster scream in joy. Standing in line isn’t suffering, it is part of the joyful process.

@JayG84 The term “better” is relative, it depends on one’s personality. After an Ayahuasca ceremony, a few of us were sharing about our trip. One woman said that she turned into a lizard and was disappointed because she wanted to go back into her childhood and work on stuff. She wanted a “better” trip. I then said transforming into a lizard would be amazing. I’m so curious what a lizard perspective and experience would be like. The woman next to me tensed up and said she hates lizards and it would be horrific to transform from human to lizard. She said she would have struggled and fought to stay human. In relative terms of better, dosage, mindset and setting are important features. People that can let go and go with the flow have a higher chance of having a better trip than nervous nellies that want to control every aspect of a trip. This “go with the flow” mindset doesn’t seem to be an SD feature, although it may be more common with orange and above. In terms of SD and trip betterment, one feature that might come in handy is being able to take detached, meta views. This is one of the features of Tier2. Quite often, psychedelics dissolve the self identity attachments allowing for detached, meta viewing and a sense of Oneness. Someone in Tier2 may have a better ability with this. When I first trip, I was at high Orange transitioning into Green. Psychedelics wanted to send me into Yellow and Turqoise and some of those trips were a rough ride. My mind wanted to control the internal narrative of what things mean. And there was anxiety about what would happen if I let go. What if I did something crazy? What if I harmed someone? My mind would fight to stay in control. Yet when I was able to let go. . . It was amaaaazing. . . It was like I was given a magic wand. I could see how everything is inter-related. They was a deep sense of awe and curiosity. It felt like my higher self. When I returned to my baseline level of consciousness, I was overwhelmed. I didn’t know where to even begin. I couldn’t make sense of it. I didn’t have words or concepts like “systemic thinking” or “nondual awareness”. When I first started learning about SD, I was like “yea! Some of that yellow, turquoise and nondual stuff they are talking about happened during the trip. There are actually words for it??!!. I’d like some more of that, please. . . “

One thing I like about taking a trip is that is feels new. It feels far away from my normal space. It feels new. One way to do this is to get on an airplane and travel far away. To find a forest in New Zealand. . . Another way to do this is to take a psychedelic. It’s actually similar in a way. I can go my local nature center while tripping and it’s like going far away. It feels new, like I’ve never been there before. As I was walking through my nature center today. I felt bored. I introspected the boredom. Part of it was due to being in this nature center so many times. I then realized, I have a “mind map”. This mind map is constructed from previous visits and knowing where I am in relation to images beyond my field of perception. For example, I know which way the path will turn ahead. I know where the barn is. I know where all the parts of the town is and my house in relation to where I am standing in the nature center. This map has been re-enforced, creating a mind map in the background. This mind map leads to familiarity. Not just familiarity with my field of perception, yet a subconscious mind map of what surrounds my field of perception. I realize this while I was hiking today. Just this awareness of this can open doors. I asked if I could right now enter a mind space as if I had never been here before. Yes it’s possible. In a way, this was the first time I was there. All the leaf positions, the shadows, angles of sunlight etc. where all unique. As well, a psychedelic would erase my mind maps. . . Why would traveling erase a mind map? Part of it is being in a new place, yet part of it is giving yourself permission. An international trip takes months of planning. You’ve got to pack, get on a plane, get the rental car, find the AirBnb etc. It feels so far away because of the backstory it’s so far away. So. . . I was able to do it, somewhat. It was sorta like drifting in and out of an awake lucid dream. There were briefs periods in which it was like I was seeing it all for the very first time. I really didn’t know where I was. Yet then my mind would drift back into memory and the mind map and I became re-familiarized. Yet it was cool I could do it, even for brief periods. It’s almost like learning to juggle. You can do it for 10 seconds or so and are like “I’m juggling” and then you lose it and the balls fall down. . .

Methodist churches split up early this year over wether LGBTQ can become pastors. A clean Blue vs Green break. With the recent SCOTUS and cultural shift, the churches that chose green are probably feeling good now.

Similar to how trying to be a nonconformist ironically becomes conforming.