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@thesmileyone for me permanent awakening is permanent presence or being present moment so you are saying that you have been 'the presence' but its gone now? what do you think makes presence to dissappear?

@Highest did he 'tell' u point of human existence?

@winterknight does God speak to you?

so what does 'God' tells you?

I AM AGAINST THAT AWAKENING IS SO DIFFICULT I AM AGAINST THAT I AM BOUND BY SUCH A HELPLESS DREAM CHARACTER WHO HAS NO POWER AND NO WILL TO WAKE UP I AM AGAINST THAT I HAVE TO BE A PRISONER OF THIS CHARACTER'S FLUCTUATIONS AND HIS UNSTABLE MOOD AND HIS LACK OF FOCUS. I AM AGAINST THAT HUMAN-BEINGS ARE SO WEAK I AM AGAINST THE NEED OF SURVIVAL AND AGAINST DEATH I AM AGAINST THAT ALL THE LIFE TENDS TOWARDS PROCESS OF INEVITABLE DESTRUCTION AND THAT THERE IS NO SALVATION FROM THAT I AM AGAINST THAT WE HAVE SUCH A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME ON EARTH, AND THAT WE SPEND MOST OF IT DREAMING, ANOTHER CHUNK OF IT TRYING TO WAKE UP FROM DREAM, AND WHEN WE SUPPOSE TO LIVE? I AM AGAINST THAT LIFE HAS NO MEANING, NO VALUE, NO PURPOSE. I AM AGAINST THAT PHYSICAL EXISTENCE IS SO INERT AND PRISON-LIKE I AM AGAINST SUFFERING, AND PAIN, AND POSSIBILITY OF EXPERIENCING AGONY AND TERRIBLE PHYSICAL PAIN. THIS IS NOT FAIR THIS IS INSANE THIS HAS NO JUSTIFICATION AT ALL!!!! IF YOU EVER FELT ANY TERRIBLE PAIN - YOU KNOW THAT IT JUST SHOULDN'T EXIST AT ALL!!!!! EVEN FOR THE WORST AND CRUELEST OF US. I AM AGAINST THIS REALITY, I AM AGAINST ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING - ALL MEANINGS, ALL IDEAS, ALL GOALS, ALL HIGHS. AND ALL OF THE SELF-DEVELOPMENT I AM AGAINST THIS DARKNESS WHICH GIVES YOU NO CHANCE I AM AGAINST INFINITY I AM AGAINST MY OWN SELF. I AM AGAINST ANY POSITIVE STATEMENTS. I AM AGAINST ANY CLAIMS I AM AGAINST THAT LIFE IS THE WAY IT IS I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY JUSTIFICATION IN THIS ABSURD TRAGEDY OF HUMAN EXISTENCE I DON'T THINK THAT GOD WANTS US TO JUSTIFY THE WAY THINGS ARE, TO NAIVLY CLAIM THAT OH DEAR ITS NOT ALL SO BAD, ALL THE DESTRUCTION PAIN TYRANNY DREAM - SO WHAT. ITS JUST THE WAY IT IS. BE GRATEFUL THAT YOU HAVE A TINY GLIMPSE OF EXISTING. NO ! I THINK HE WANTS US TO DENY THE WAY IT IS! TO DENY THEY WAY THINGS ARE. AND TO DENY ANY KINDS OF ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE ANY ALTERNATIVE IS JUST ANOTHER DREAM. IS JUST A COMPROMISE. IT DOESNT PUT END TO THIS ABSURD BUT JUST MAKES IT A BIT BETTER. I DON'T WANT BETTER. I DON'T WANT COMPROMISE. I DON'T WANT HAPPY. COZ HAPPY DOESN'T SAVE US FROM ROCK OF DESTRUCTION AND PAIN AND PRISON. I WANT THIS OPRRESSION TO END. ALL POSSIBILITIES OF DESTRUCTION AND PAIN AND PRISON OF DREAM MUST END FOR ALL CREATURES. ANIMALS DOESNT DESERVE TO EXPERIENCE PAIN AND DESTRUCTION AND TO BE IN UNCONSCIOUS SLEEP. NOR DO YOU. NOR DO ALIENS. NOR DO ANYONE. SO I SAY NO TO EVERYTHING AT ALL! I SAY NO BECAUSE NOTHING AT ALL SAVES US FROM THAT POSSIBILITIES. COME AND SAY NO BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER EVER REALLY LIKE ANYTHING AT ALL BECAUSE NOTHING EVER SAVES YOU NOR IT SAVES OTHERS. I SAY NO FOREVER AND EVER TO INFINITY AND BEYOND. I SAY NO TO REALITY! I SAY NO TO THE VERY FACT THAT I MUST ACCEPT THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE. I SAY NO THAT FACT! I SAY NO TO ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING! I SAY NO TO MY CHARACTER WHO ALWAYS SEEKS TO FIND COMPROMISE. CHARACTER ONLY WANTS TO FIND WARM AND HAPPY STATE OF BEING. I SAY NO TO THAT. BECAUSE WARM AND HAPPY PLACE DOESNT DELIVER YOU FROM INEVITABLE CATASTROPHE

@Highest so are you permanently awakened? i didnt understand how is that your awakening dissapeared but you went into state of emptiness/no-self. isn't that the two same things?

I don't care, i dont see any point in us being put into dream and us not being able to wake up from it. i don't see any good or reasonable meaning in that. ok put us into dream for beginning, but to make it so difficult to wakeup from that = thats pointless, it can only be understood in that = its tyranny of the devil or god of the dream world. what you call God is not God because one true God transcends this reality/being. you call devil as god. and you want to merge with devil through enlightenment but you think that you want to merge with god. infinite being is devil or god of this world 'absolutely everything' or nothignness at all is not God but creation true God transcends (HE is not in the boundless infinite oneness totality) I am sayign that true God created absolutely everything which can exist and which is not him. and this absolutely everythingness is infinite reality that we are in. and infinity has knowledge that there is nothing which can be outside of it. so whatever you can become you will still be bound by infinity which tells that there is nothing outside of it. which tells u that it is boundless. can you imagine that GOD is NOT anyone from absolutely everything that can be? this is impossible. and yet thats how things are. perhaps the more you go against this reality (devil) the more you are aligned with True God's will if you read Quran or Gospels you can notice that it is so anti-life anti-being anti-reality anti-this world anti-human beings. you can say that it is revelations of unstoppable criticism of absolutely everything and they are extremely negative about everything at all. i dont see any point in us being put into dream, and us not being able to wake up, or making awaking so hard to attain. why would that be the case? why would God will to make awakening so difficult? nope its not that he willed that, its that he created reality which is opposite of him. and here he put us to experience that tyranny of dream prison. and all our life is about being oppressed by the tyrant's will - who is opposite of true God. yet this is to say that you can't come to God through wanting to come to God because God is not anyone from absolutely everything. so you can only come to him by fighting against absolutely everything including all ideas about God. so absolutely everything in the whole infinity is temptation, distraction, devilry. absolutely everything wants to destroy us, to make us suffer, to make us sleep deeper, to put us into temptation. and there is no help. no hope. nothignness at all. only very much insane and brutal and evil and unstoppable fight without any mercy from the side of absolutely infinitely everything. no logic no meaning no high virtue just brutality of destruction and hypnosis. inevitable destruction and tyranny of dream kingdom vs bliss beauty happiness and all the good things in life = just two sides of one infinite coin destruction is just masked by infintie possibilities and bliss and vastness of everythingness. reality or our mind doesn't oppress us for good reason, or for any meaning. its just pointless tyranny. its just doing harm and bringing pain and destruction with no purpose at all. its just is. i don't see any point in making us so stupid and weak and unable to wake up and unable to act wilfully and change our stupid existence. we see that its so stupid what we do but yet we can't at all change our behaviour. we are afraid of waking up we dont have choice or will or any means to fight. we are helpless. why make us so weak and wilfully blind???????????? God's will is not in this, but God's will in overcoming tyranny of the devil - mr dream king torturer by the most weak and the most sinful and the most disgusting and the most cowardice and the most stupid of ALL THE CREATION withing ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING - by human!!! little stupid weak human - worst animal of all -miserable and pathetic- whose basis is biological self- the lowest thing of all- human is this tool of God that overcomes tyranny of the dream kingdom which is unjust and meaningless and doesn't give us any freedom or chance to overcome our dream existence or our inevitable destruction. this reality doesn't give us a chance, a possibility, its hopeless to wakeup, its impossible. awakening is impossible. and life is unjust and destructive and we are the worst of creature. and God's will is about overcoming that by the most dreaming ones. most pathetic and worst and lowest and most helpless and hopeless VS biggest greatest infinite amazing unstoppable GOD is not within this dichotomy. but he is one who watches this drama where pathetic human has actually 0% chance its impossible!!! and there is no hope in doing that. no positive conclusion about miracle or 'good'. everything is bad and can't be otherwise. even if you wake up, you will still be destroyed by rock. and before that you will be victim of the process of destruction all the while living in pain and suffering. and this glimpse of terrible life you will have only for so little time of several decades. DOOMED. forget clinging to any kind of positive truth! its forever bad! and you will be forever against everything. coz you just doesn't like anything at all. coz nothing saves you and others from destruction, possibility of getting into terrible kind of physical pain and oppression of your helpless dream character that is like a prison.

@thesmileyone so you are now permanently awake?

I am asking who am I, but its very dry as if i am repeating mantra, i dont understand how to do it properly. Plz help How to become defenceless or resistanceless against awakening? coz mind keeps its defence and postpones its death, now I guess the only way is to end up defenceless in front of consciousness.

Is that possible that ego-self / mind can ever claim: YES! I AM FICTION, I ADMIT THAT, I NO LONGER CARE ABOUT MY SELF BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I AM FICTION. And after that it will stop protecting itself at all. Or it will stand firm in self-protection until awakening?

Yea ego... but what aspect of it exactly? Fear or attachment or loss of control or fear of death or ?

How to open heart if heart is closed? Can I open heart before awakening?

i found this one worth to share, decrease in brain activity increases awareness by author of 'materialism is baloney' book.

How to develop actual/authentic need/desire to know the answer?

So the question is Why there are enlightened people with decades of enlightened life behind who still acts a bit unethical, such as committing things which are considered as wrongdoings or forbidden from religious/God perspective. In other words, people who sees reality in its actuality, with awakened eyes, soul, consciousness, heart, divine nature, who are full of bliss, love and interested in self-development, knowledge, growth, eternity, but who still neglect idea that you have to believe in existence of absolute yet very simple categories of forbidden and allowed, things which you shouldn't do and which you must do. Belief in existence of sins, misbehaviour, disobedience? Such as you shouldn't swear (use bad language). How does awakened nature allows them to do that? In video below enlightened master uses bad word (even though only one time during interview). And I am not judging him or anything or playing moralism. And I don't want to gossip about him, or to say that I am better than such actions (I am not), I am simply trying to make sense of the case above using this video as one example. Nothing against the person per se. Even he does it only once here and its not a big deal, but isn't he is so full of compassion and wisdom and righteousness? So how does it make possible for this to happen? In other words, what is the reason for highly awakened sage kind of people to do things that are normally considered as unjust or wrong? OR, why we as adults are tempted into thinking that there are no absolute categories of wrongdoing/forbidden? Meanwhile only such categories bring meaning and justification, justice to reality. Otherwise, its all one, and it doesn't matter what you do. You have animal body and corrupt mind and unjust world around you, so why you should believe in simple ideals that you once used to have as a little naive kid before you started to see corruption of higher authorities such as your parents and hence neglect absolute categories? I just want to have some understanding regarding these questions. Understanding regarding 1) why enlightened people with total clarity of perception and big conscious hearts can act unethically. and 2) what make us not to desire to believe that God forbids you to behave in certain ways. Coz clearly we don't want to believe that let's say you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do that. We simply don't want that. What exactly makes us rebellious? Its not a question of good and evil, because they are relative and only God knows about them, but it is the question of believing in existence of categories such as legal and illegal or just and unjust or forbidden and allowed which are defined by highest authority hence absolute and not relative (while good and evil are defined by ourselves). Let's not discuss ethics, morals, good and evil per se, but lets discuss reasons of why things are these way. Thank you

@winterknight once there is realisation of non-doership or no control or state of nothingness - mind immediately gets afraid and steps back into dream-fog and 'returns control' to itself. there is no one in no-control state. but once there is no control and no one there - mind interprets it as no control and as no one and steps back into dream and its never ending circle what to do? how to stay in state of no-control?

Did this vision come with sense of divine or sense of mystery/secret?

I really recommend you to go through https://relentlessheart.com/ guy is clearly born to christ's spirit and he covers all of christian teaching, not only Gospel but whole Bible in a short but very packed practical guide: https://relentlessheart.com/john-717/01-daddy-i-need-help

@Shanmugam do you, as enlightened human, do you believe in God (in Bible’s transcendent God). And do you believe in heaven and hell in afterlife? And why yes/not? Thanks

1. This is a parenthetical phrase, the purpose of which is to elucidate a question which is likely to arise in the mind of the reader who has read the above section and might feel uneasy. The question is: Why do the religious laws propounded by the various Prophets differ in matters of detail even though the Prophets and their Books preach one and the same religion (din) and even confirm and support each other? Why is it that in regard to the prescribed forms of worship, the regulations concerning what is permitted and what is prohibited, and the detailed legal regulations governing the social and collective life, there is some disagreement among the various laws propounded by the different Prophets and the divine Books? 2. This constitutes a detailed answer to the above question. It consists of the following points: (1) It is a mistake to think that variations in religious laws result from a difference of source. It is God Himself Who altered the legal prescriptions to suit different nations at different times and in different circumstances. (2) It was indeed possible, by divising one legal code for all human beings, for all men to have been made into one nation (ummah). But one of the many benevolent considerations keeping the religious laws of various Prophets different from one another was that God wanted this difference to become a means of testing people. Those who understand true religion, who have grasped its spirit and essence, and who are aware of the true importance of the different legal prescriptions, always recognize the Truth and accept it whatever its form. They have no hesitation in accepting the new ordinances of God in place of the old ones, in contrast to those who are not conversant with the spirit of true religion and who seem to identify it with a specific body of legal minutiae. Such people have overlaid God-given principles with their own legal deductions, and have sub sequently fossilized this entire amalgam, seeking to preserve it in its entirety. They have grown so attached to it that, in order to preserve it, they spurn every directive which subsequently comes to them from God. In order to distinguish the people of the first category from those of the second God made the legal prescriptions of the various Prophets vary. (3) The real purpose of all the divine religious laws is the attainment of goodness and righteousness (ed. because unrighteous cannot come close to God). This purpose can be achieved only when a man obeys whatever commandment he receives from God at a particular time (ed. because it is through obedience to God one comes closer to God, which exemplifies in the word 'muslim' - 'submissive/obedient to God', as well as in Bible's main commandment - obedience to God). The proper mode of conduct for people who keep their eyes fixed on this true purpose is to strive for God's good pleasure rather than quarrel about differences in the legal prescriptions of the various Prophets. (4) The differences which have arisen because of the unjustified rigidity, prejudice, obduracy and erroneous attitudes of the human mind can be finally settled neither in the debating hall nor on the battlefield. The final judgement will be made by God Himself. Then the reality of everything will be fully uncovered, and it will be clear how much truth and falsehood underlay the squabbles which whole lives were wasted over.

Here I'll commit to keep a journal in my journey towards realising full potential of my 3rd eye or pineal gland. A bit of background: There are 4 main reasons why I want to discover my pineal gland's abilities. First, one lady doing astrology/numerology/occults told me that my pineal gland has some very strong potential and if I do train it I can become good in clairvoyance and clairaudience. Now although I'm very much believer in the dimensions beyond physical world but I know she might have as well told me some random bullshit as many people of her profession do, so here I want to check whether it is any true. Of course, such things possible in general, the question is can I achieve this? I'd like some superpowers Second, I have never really undertook meditation or any other spiritual practices on a consistent basis. I was just making excuses for myself for not doing enlightenment work. So this can be my extra motivation to do meditation and raise my awareness. Third, my life is very much mess right now, and if pineal gland can help me, why not? I feel like coming to this work from very egotistical motivations (like sorting out my life and getting what i want), and not so much for the sake of truth and exploration. So I am not sure if I can succeed if do it for ego? sometimes if you use spiritual and occult practices to satisfy your ego needs then it can strike back. So some moral anxiety I do have. But well, let's see. I am also just curious where it can lead to. Fourth, for me raising awareness is a thing I need a LOT. Coz I have mild form of derealisation for quite many years now, which became part of my normal existence, and tbh I never really did much to cure it until now coz I simply didn't know how the hell the thing that I have is called, and it sucks to have it. So this also might help me to cure it. ----------------------------------- Day 1 (yesterday) I know almost nothing about 3rd eye. So I started with whatever google told me first. At night, I listened this video on detox of 3rd eye through sound vibrations. From very beginning I felt that it is something! I started to have very subtle feeling of happiness, my vision and mind got just a bit clearer. I also had some subtle sense of fear. Overall, it reminded me an mdma trip which i had many years ago. But this was very very subtle of course. I read that pineal gland probably does produce DMT. 20 mins later I started to meditate in darkness with video turned on. Mind that pineal gland produces melatonin mainly, which is more effectively produced in darkness. However, there are also something about sun gazing and pineal gland relationship, so im not sure. Then I laid down on floor, miracle started to happen! I put my hands in front of me, and saw an aura, no kidding! Saw an aura that covered both of my hands, every finger, not extremely clear but it was there, it was colorless, sort of like stirring waves, also waves were going up from the tips of my fingers, it was as if subtle smoke goes up from my fingers. I then looked straight at ceiling and saw a spiral, it was spinning, this was not very surprising coz i saw something like that before. Just spinning spirals come and go. Then I felt very weird thing - it was sort of the feeling that i got some knowledge but I had no clue what exactly I know, but I just know something! No idea! Maybe it is 0.00000000000000000001% of enlightenment That's it video finished, i had it for 2 hours. I sat down back to computer, felt bit energetic and talkative, started to talk loud. Certainly some nice feeling but very subtle. 2 hours later, no kidding, my long-term memory became soooooo good. I could easily recall any person from any time back, and this person's face would appear in my mind just like photo! This is interesting for me, because my memory really worsen over last years I swear! I remember not being able to recall my best friends' face, whom i saw a day before, in my mind! That's how bad my memory was. But now it is so clear. Just wow. I slept only few hours, woke up without any tiredness, and my mind defo got clearer, NOT VERY, but some improvement I can notice. Nothing like oneness though, derealisation is still there. Also, quite interesting, something pushes me towards salads and greens! I read that spiritual practices make u to become peaky in food, coz your brain wants naturally to detoxify you when it goes into higher levels of consciousness. In case of decalcification, I dunno if i'm calcified, but i never drink tap water which seems as a main cause of calcification. So it was day 1, actually it is surprising to have this from just a utube video. On the other hand it is not! Because i'm very much sensitive just to anything, which is the only explanation how i can get this from couple hours of bloody sound vibrations. But certainly this is nothing much yet. I wonder if it will be good to limit it to 1 hour or can we listen to it non-stop all day? Can it be too much? Today I'll try something else Feel free to comment. also, my knowledge in this subject is limited, so any tips, ideas, or plz share ur experience as well! Defo the coolest part for me was that i saw aura. I cannot be sure of course, maybe it is something else? Whatever it is, its amazing.

he changed my life Leo is like a precious gem in the ocean of youtube's rubbish

of course, Leo should look beyond his own interpretations of his experience, and beyond infinity infinity has no absolute, and has no ground. groundless and empty as Leo says. while true ground of all, true absolute, actual God of monotheism, Allah/Elohim/Christian God, True God transcends infinity itself thats the biggest mind twist, especially for nonduality folks and alive infinite intelligence that Leo tripped to, is not really a God of monotheism it is what Sufis call as Universal Being, or Universal Soul, or Self-unfolding Being or just big SELF also known as Adam Kadmon in Kabbala think about it, you just trip and arrive to godhead, who is actually just a bored intelligence with human qualities and its not even clear whether he is alive or dead. whether you can call him god or just a dead reality what kind of god is this? god with existential boredom? nothingness whatsoever? empty awareness field? infinite machine of infinite possibilities? is it god or is it some mechanic calculator? can you intuit that there are inconsistencies here brahman = atman. but brahman is not God that transcends infinity. brahman is the name for impersonal aspect of this reality, which is maybe dead maybe alive, maybe dream maybe real, maybe this maybe that, utter nonduality however pretty nondual picture only applies to this reality, but it fails when you recognise that your witnessing of the here and now, is not simply equal to reality but its rather pointing to absence of the real subject in the reality, it points to absence of actually real thing in this infinite reality. coz actually real and true is beyond this infinity. absolute truth is not infinity, or being, absolute truth totally transcends infinity, and you can't trip to it, in other words creator and creation are not in nondual bowl, they are not the same thing. absence of the real subject in this reality points to that real subject does not exist in this infinite reality, real subject transcends infinity so its not true to equate all old gods into the same god, all religions into all being about same thing, archaic paradigms of pantheism and monism to monotheism based on revelations, all mystical schools into the same thing, all notions into one undifferentiated bowl of oneness, and think that this undifferentiated bowl of maybe alive maybe dead reality is the absolute truth that people pray to? and consider as holy? praying to dead consciousness? to infinite machine with existential boredom? can you see that its not so simple my friends. but in the same time its all much more simple than we think it is, and 'deluded' religions who followed prophetic revelations understood it much better than us modern-time sages, not just conceptually but also experientially, because only messengers who had message from Absolute Truth could taught you how do you form relationship, binding (religare) with Absolute Truth, God. and your reliance upon your own techniques or own understanding can only take you to merging with brahman. do you really think that Jesus or Muhammad did what they did just so you can merge with dead brahman intuition can sense things that actual direct experience cannot. actually, intuition is more real than experience, or than perception. and ur intuition probably sense that something isn't correct about this, and your experience of god might probably been tricking your understanding of the map of the territory human-being is reflection or projection of this universal being (Adam kadmon), its an archetype of reality, thats why you are one with it, thats why Leo sense that he is it, and it is him. of course reality is infinite mirrors all referring to each other, thats why its all relative, because absolute is simply not in this reality true God is witness of this reality/infinity, but his essence is not here, he is not 'what is', his essence transcends 'what is'. God is what isn't, his absence in this reality actually points to him existing outside of this reality, when mystics say God is everything they confuse realisation of him witnessing everything with his actual essence being in everything, but we can't say that his essence is in this reality, coz its totally different from this infinite reality, Sufism had this debates between various schools and resolved this misunderstanding long time ago, Sufism has term called 'monotheism of witness', which means that being is all one, while Allah is witness of being, and actual essence of God transcends being our infinity and this infinite intelligence is probably like a tiny toy in his 'hands' maybe this whole thing of misunderstanding god is the obstacle towards your enlightenment. so Leo, I believe in you but I carefully follow Leo's growth, and it is very interesting to watch, because he brings lots of interesting stuff, even if I don't agree with him about God. coz without Leo i would still be studying all the things like nonduality that he studied for us, so without Leo i wouldn't come even close to anything, but now i wish to repay Leo, so that this maybe will boost his progress. he is great in investigating reality, but i hope there will be time when he will start to investigate about what can be outside of 'all there is'

@Ether not at all, i just cant find better ways to communicate

hokku oh Leo oh Leo you are truly great but Leo but Leo you missing the key oh Leo oh Leo how did you miss what nature of belief really is oh Leo oh Leo why can't you see meaning and value and purpose and belief and stories all came before formed reality and before substance of reality all came before our reality and Leo and Leo just like a script is coming before shooting a movie oh Leo oh Leo In the beginning there was word and word was with God