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27 min-58 sec Leo says that 2000 years ago democratic things we have today like everyone can vote, minority rights, soc. safety, freedom of speech were ridiculous to even think about and were rejected as stupid ideas. But today we do have these things, and overall, democratic progress and innovation is a good thing. Objection Maybe Plato and others 2000 years ago were right? Maybe they, enlightened philosophers, saw that giving voting power to masses won't lead to good, coz masses are unconscious egos! Why give power to unconscious egos. Why give freedom of speech to egos! Why give soc. safety to egos who will parasityse on it. Why to give minority rights to egos, or feminist rights to egos, if egos will only create new identification on it, will demand more, and consume more. Democracy created world of unsconsious egos running amok thinking that their speech or thoughts or needs is real and matter. MAYBE ideally, voting power shouldn't be given to unawakened people, freedom of any kind especially speech shouldn't be given to everyone, people shouldn't even to be allowed to think freely, ideally! Because it is for their own good! Because lol thinking freely is main thing that keeps us unawakened. Maybe dogma and hard restriction on liberal activities is just necessary in this reality and will be until this reality won't collapse into some heaven where biological survival, thus egos doesn't exist.

What to do to cease desire, movement of action, thought, attention, seeking? Do you think that desire, action, seeking, thoughts and all other mind games are result of mind’s chemical imbalance ?

FMAB discusses topic of ego very deep, what do you think these series conclude, what is the cause of ego and what is the way to defeat it? Pride's death showed that ego started as a helpless newborn baby calling mama father's death showed that ego started as cocky playful thing that wanted to get out from its shell, eventually it wanted to become perfect being (not sure what that means existentially) and to know truth, to explore world, and to be god Greed's death showed that ego started as a lack of close ppl around it Envy - ego wanted to fit, to have good qualities of human beings Personally, i think pride's death is the best shot. This is why - Before birth baby is in bliss, in samadhi lol, without any problems and pain, but once born its in pain, cold, hot, light, loud noises, etc. So person caries this trauma throughout his life and then first years only adds up to that with parental and societal tiranny, plus physical pain that children often got, so this kind of pattern of helpless baby becomes its personality and runs the body, it then transforms into all sort of adult's egoic actions and ideas, pitifully few can overgrow that, but when you try to awaken and see ego's resistance, you can notice - ego shows a mask/persona of infantile, self-pity, confused, pretending 'innocent', wary, waiting for something, indecisive child who is like 'mummy can u give me awakening, i cant do that on my own, i am just innocent baby!'. And this is mask, a self-image that kind of a defensive mechanism, coz who would kill an innocent baby? Of course it stops u from awakening coz u become justifying and indulging and pity for this baby, instead of remorsely killing it. look how tricky it is! Pretending to be innocent, unconscious survival force that perpetuates since birth day! ALso, in NAruto shippuden. In the final battle, when they kill kaguya and zetsu, you can see the same picture - zetsu becomes a little baby crying to his mama kaguya, and saying to naruto - ur ninja world is just part of my imagination (or something like that), then naruto says even if it is so, my friends and ppl of my village fought through pain and died for each other, while all you do is crying to your mama. Then same in Evangelion, crying pitiful infantile, and same in The town without yourself. Then in Ghibli's animes - Grave of fireflies - boy who doesn't fully transform infantilism during war and this leads to death of him and his sister, and all Miyazaki's animes often has that theme but with often successful endings Maybe this means that ego is just a baby that must be killed. While Hollywood factory today often likes to show infantile and naive and child-loving films in which it is good to be smiling innocent baby who likes his mummy and wants to play and have fun and who doesn't do anything bad. Devils deception datebayo!

@Anton_Pierre u awakened? so how did u do it?

maybe this life is about living in fear and pain, and not about overcoming fear and pain. it doesnt sound nice to us humans, but it might be necessary for God's own plans regarding reality, maybe pain somehow restructures this reality or solves some metaphysical tasks that God has

Leo, and also others, what do u think about adding public online chat on this website? So any actualiser could enter and share personal experience, insights, give advice on awakening, and try to clarify various spiritual issues? Ppl do that on forum but the difference from forum would be that in chat u can share quick and little insights which u wont otherwise share on the forum. Also u can seek answers on some questions about spirituality much quicker than asking on the forum. possible Positive effects: -can awaken u through reading conversations of conscious folks of actualisedorg, coz language is a mirror where awareness recognises itself - can be a place to share valuable insights that can help others to awaken, to learn. -can be a place of psychotherapy for lonely seekers who have no other place to talk about awakening -can generate valuable debates, conversations where ppl can clarify some controversial topics on spirituality, religion, God, metaphysics, actualisation, morality, like debate between transcendental vs immanent God / dual - nondual God/ which this forum often has. possible Negative effects: -can serve as distraction -Truth is incommunicable anyway, so.. -can become just common nonsensical chatting -can become place of mental mambarbation

There is no greater disease in the world than a thought ‘there is something wrong with me’. It is the devil inspires a sensitive person with the help of thoughts that something is wrong with him. - Saint Paisios

@Vingger what is this entity? metaphor or real deal thing? is it a demon, some unconcious force inside of you? how did it come to possess individual? how to surrender? how to get the rid of the parasite?

you can’t be witness of your own victory, of awakening, right? Then how can you say that you are awakened or absolute-realised if there’s no one to say it?

this is amazing film. it has english subs. i think u should watch it, its based on book about dude who became awakened

@Inliytened1 and what is God's perspective? @zeroISinfinity no love at all. i am in the sleeping state. i am thinking about what kind of manipulation to undertake to end sleep. i dont know what is god's perspective or truth perspective or love perspective. this things dont exist in the sleeping state. i only know manipulations.

what if reality wants u to suffer, to destroy u, and to deceive u? if i think in this way, THEN i am free and being in the now while if i think that reality loves u and wants good for u - then i am losing my focus and create hope and time.

@Shin @Inliytened1 @Serotoninluv so what is your suggestion then? what kind of perspective one should have to abide in Presence without losing it? coz positive perspectives towards life really create hopes desires values ideas and TIME, hence waiitng while negative really destroys it all, makes u more free and leaves only here and now

@Shin positive truth is illusion, truth is very negative.

no one cares about our suffering , thats the thing no one cares about ur life in general ego wants to think that there is someone up there who loves it and cares for it its just ego's desire to be saved, in truth, no one gives a shit, u r just a biorobot without any significance, u have no more significance than a bug. if bug is suffering, who gives a shit? its just biorobot of a bug having discomfort. it exists for no reason in total darkness. so do you. if u r not awakened and live in darkness, who cares? no one. even u dont care about that really. u can live in dream state forever and still not care. no one cares if u live in darkness or in light. no one loves u, no one needs u, u dont even need urself, u dont even care about urself or care about anything really, u r just a biorobot.

I notice that every time awakening is 'coming', simultaneously sense of horror and 'strangeness' and smthing like sense of huge responsibility arises. And then I quickly run away from awakening. I guess in order to awaken one need to become defenceless or to be unable to run away from awakening. Coz there is always place for a manoeuvre to escape and continue to sleep. The question is can there be any solution for that? Can we do something to become defence-less in front of eternity? Any suggestions?

can u clarify this statement. you mean that if we deny reality and our own existence and call it as illusion and ego then because of that denial we are putting ourselves under control of some demons or puppet masters? or what. i denied my existence and reality a lot mostly because i found comfort in nondual ideas of illusiory world which fit me being frightened and unsatisifed by life, and i think i am under control of something which doesn't give me chance to wake up. its sabotaging me. and can you tell how to be born from the holy spirit? is there difference between awakening and born from holy spirit?

this is hilarious girl who is blind and deaf and her teacher - it looks so like taming ego-bull

Why infinite intelligence made spiritual awakening a hard thing to realise? Why not just to give it to us with less struggle?

can u plz elaborate on that? what do u mean exactly by this thesis. cheers

u mean other side of reality? u mean like heaven is the other side, clean one, but earth is needed so all excrement can be left outside of ideal?

then you are not God

When you say about how you, the God, created everything out of your selfless loving nature. DUDE THIS SOUNDS SO DAMN NAIVE and crazy. u believing that is so naive. all these grandiose statements sounds like A MEGALOMANIA. like utter delusion. It sounds as if you are possessed by some higher forces what if ur glimpses into nature of reality deluded u? what if u equal reality to God whereas these are two different things? and do u think that Real God would allow to trip towards his Godhead by drugs? what kind of God is this then? maybe u tripped towards actual reality/existence, to the core of existence and called it as godhead

IF you are creator then why dont u make yourself awakened? To think that you created everything and yourself out of infinite goodness sounds immensely mad. When you cried about how you, the God, created everything out of your selfless loving nature I was shocked. IT SOUNDS SO DAMN NAIVE AND WRONG. DUDE WHATS Up. Just look at your own words and look how wrong it sounds, do u really think that the structure of existence is so brutally naive and simple? its just me - i created it all - coz i m infinite goodness selfless creator. now i am speaking to u through utube to say that. However, i can;t even wake up to that fact without drugs. What kind of creator is this? Do you even hear how naive that sounds? Its as if you are prisoner of asylum for psychopaths. all these grandiose statements are JUST A MEGALOMANIA. its all sounds like utter delusion. It sounds as if you are possessed by some higher forces who are making fun of you and all of us. Moreover, to think that you can trip towards Godhead through psychedelics - this is just nonsense. Real God wouldn't allow to trip towards him through drugs. Maybe infinite reality would allow that - and maybe you have mistaken infinite reality for True God. BUT what if True God transcends reality itself? You might be very conscious but that doesn't cancel out the fact that awakening doesn't really tell us anything about ultimate Creator of existence. Awakening simply is about our true nature here and now. Its about how things are here and now. What on Earth would make us to think that awakening would tell us about how things are in the largest scheme of things. So i think u just diminish the role and status of the word God into making it as something ordinary and low.