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Hey guys this Ivan at Actualized.or for "Friends of Life" Wanting to share with you some experiences that have worked for me in the process of "Friends of Life". This is a group working for inner development, with 2 general objectives: Having the experience of immortality and changing the world. The process is done in 6 retreats/steps, and supported by 8 books (by Petur Gudjonsson). Book 1 (What really matters) starts off describing how our lives and society in general is controlled by fear, and especially the fear of death, and that for us to function well we need to experience our future as "open" or "having no barriers". The experience of having a limitless future is what the author call Immortality. The books go on explaining precisely how to do that, touching themes like our Inner Guide, deep intentions, beliefs and illusions, truth, passion, inspiration, time-space, deep silence, the "I", etc.etc. Please tell me if this makes sense to you. The whole is free of charge, and promoted by volunteers. Here's a video explaining the process:

Please allow me to play the devil's advocate here: Is it not possible that the experiences you are describing are just hallucinatory states, and you just experience the projections of your own inner content (however fantastic they might appear) ? Whenever Buddha was asked about Enlightenment or Nirvana, silence would be his reply (if I'm not mistaken). This is quite significant. Also the saying: those that know, do not speak, and those that speak, they do not know. Of course, beyond arguments and counter-arguments, the real test of fire will be if those experiences produce real and permanent transformations in your life. My intuition still says these shortcut paths to enlightenment will not end up well. (I really hope I'm mistaken) People stay years stuck in meditative practises because they lack complete knowledge of what is required for permanent transformation. An interesting hint is given by Sadhguru in this video:

@outlandish As I said earlier, I think the risks of irresponsible people using them irresponsibly are quite high, even though as you say you could use them more consciously. The more serious schools of inner development I know, always reserve the more advanced techniques to esoteric/reserved teaching, also because the risk of misuse is high. Anyway, I had a question, regarding the experience in itself: If the substance (5meo or other) produces a temporary suspension of the "I" /ego, can you still perceive/describe the experience? "Continuing in the deepening of the suspension until achieving the register of "emptiness" signifies that nothing should appear as a representation, or as a register of internal sensations. There should not, and cannot be a register of this mental situation. And the return from the mental situation of suspension to habitual vigil is produced by impulses that reveal the position and the discomforts of the body. We can not say anything about this “void”. The recovery of inspiring meanings, of the deep meanings that are beyond the mechanisms and the configurations of consciousness, are carried out by my “I” when it returns to its normal vigilic work. We are speaking of a type of perception, different from the ones we know, of “translations” of deep impulses, which arrive from my intrabody during deep sleep, or of impulses that arrive to my consciousness at the moment of “return” to the normal vigil. We cannot speak of that world because we do not have registers during the absence of the “I”; as Plato mentioned in his myths, we have only “reminiscences” of that world." Psychology 4, Silo http://silo.net/system/documents/89/original/Apuntes_en.pdf

@lennart what did you think of the video? We (Friends of Life) are planning to go to the states, and need to find someone interested in being an initiator of the process, or just helping find one.

Hi guys, I don't hold a dogma regarding use of drugs for evolution, but my objection is sustained from the following point: The human machinery is such a complex system, altering it through unknowingly experimentation or drugs withough a deep understanding of the medium to long term consequences of those actions, might result in permanent damage to the system, and what started as fantastic experiences, end up in an unfortunate disaster. If wise and experienced man (ex: Buddha) have warned against search for fantastic experiences and powers, as a deviation from the path, what can be said of "shortcuts"? I've followed some of the videos of Leo, and although he seems to warn and caution people regarding the dangers and cares of these experiments, I think is quite unwise and bordering the irresponsible to expose these experimentations still without a definitive conclusion about them. Apologies for the negative tone of the comment. Unfortunately, in my view, the topic demands a line demarcation. Regards, Ivan ps:nI would suggest reading carefully my previous post on SILO's comments on use of drugs for mental evolution.

Comments fof SILO (see Silo.net) during a conference in 1972 -sorry its large, but worth reading GOOGLE TRANSLATION -original in spanish Question: "Some people say that some drugs, including LSD and mescaline, make it possible to touch states similar to those that we could imagine as belonging to objective consciousness, or that appear at least clearly differentiated from the crepuscular. In other words, on the other hand, considering that they in fact alter the structure of consciousness, would it be legitimate to infer that under special conditions they would be useful to the process of conscious evolution? This is an interesting question. You know that in some countries of Asia there are some "schools", to give a name, that speak of the use of the drug in order to provoke the opening of the conscience. You will also know the tradition of many peoples that speaks of nectars, of wonderful juices, that make man in the image of the gods ... from soma to alcohol in our American aborigines. You know also that mescaline, other derivatives of peyote and some toxic mushrooms, serve to elaborate some hallucinogenic substances. These hallucinogens, in a more or less pure state, have always been present in the villages in their own way, and have "served" so that at the popular level some kind of education would be accessible by the similarity of states that these teachings posed and that individuals In reality they could experiment. Faced with two problems: one, that of the morale that makes people frightened by the drug without full knowledge on the subject, and the other problem, that certain drugs deteriorate the nervous system, we will elude them to respond strictly to the question. In the general doctrinal system which we have not explained here (here we have explained nothing more than a lateral point, which refers to transcendental meditation and which is strictly for specialists), we speak of a possible higher level of consciousness: the level of objective consciousness . We speak of physical locations that have to do with mental processes; That mental processes do not occur in the air, but manifest themselves psychosomatically. In this way, when there was a certain mobilization at the level of this hypothetical higher center, the correlative level of objective consciousness would be set in motion. So sometimes, by a simple accident, this level would wake up in very common people. I do not know if you will have experiences, otherwise not very rare, such as: "this I have already lived." Do you recognize that experience? They go on the train, for example, and suddenly it gives them the impression that this has already happened again in the same way. Yes or no? This is a type of paramnesic experience on which psychologists have good explanations, but they do not fully explain the phenomenon. There are other cases where it is no longer a question of recognizing a new fact as already lived but the other way around: a fact seen on a daily basis, recognizing it as if it were the first time it is seen. Do you understand the difference? I see that wall of my house every day, but it happens that this day I see it for the first time in a "different" way. Do you recognize that other phenomenon that is the inverse of the previous one? Let's look at another case that is also frequent. In an inexplicable way, in any situation, they experience in you a great sensation of joy; A flood of consciousness; A total expansion that seems to identify them with things and there were no differences between them and you. Do you know that state? It is more or less frequent. There is another type of phenomena that no longer refer to that sort of synthesis between consciousness-object without differences, of communication of one with things, but goes to another level. It is no longer about this emotional expansion, it is a matter of suddenly being, without knowing why, a great understanding of things emerges, as if it were all understood at once. The subject can not explain well what it was, but in that "sizzle" of consciousness that lasted very short time, he seemed to experience a deep understanding of the real. Has it happened to them? They are not pathological phenomena, do not be scared, that happens to many people. There is explanation for those things too. There are even practices that apply for the subject to achieve such states. Experiences of the type of Sufis; Ritual dances; Special respiratory forms, etc., can cause the phenomena known in some schools as "expansion of consciousness", "communication with objects" and so on. That can be done artificially. It can be caused by direct action on the body. You must recognize that in the Catholic liturgy itself, in the Catholic ritual, there are a number of practices which are observed with rigor, which allow one to understand how the believer is placed in a different mental situation and causes phenomena of this kind. See what happens to the believer. In a deep act of devotion the faithful stands, sits, kneels, rests, kneels and so on. Stimuli penetrate all of their ways of perception simultaneously, which reinforces the impression as we have been seeing. That is to say: by the olfactory route the incense; By auditory means the chants, the repetitions, the monotonous sounds of the sentence; By visual means the candles, the concentration in the luminarias and in the altar where the priest officiates, the fixation of the sight to greater height of the visual average (that already understood Braid that was the first one to use the word "hypnosis") . If you see that the devotional state is reinforced by the sensations, kinesthetic provoked by that continuous movement of the body in the genuflection, in the rising and all that; If you see that those kinesthetic and tactile sensations are being reinforced and expanded with the rhythm imposed by the sacrifice of the mass, we are only free the gustatory system. All the senses have been mobilized to perceive in the direction of the ceremony and even the gustatory when receiving the host, reinforcing the devotional feeling. ... I'm not making fun of this! I'm trying to study procedures that can induce from the outside, right? I tell you the case of the Catholic liturgy because it is, in general, closer to all present. I say that almost all ritual systems, more or less variations, have their action on the individual. What are these ritual systems acting on, on the air, on an astral body? No, they are working on the physical body. And if this causes emotional changes (sometimes causes the feelings I have described, more or less as normal at the beginning of our talk), why not with other procedures is going to be able to achieve that same? We say that the modification of the structure of consciousness occurs the modification of perceptions. Mescaline, peyote, LSD, etc., can effectively bring us into contact with phenomena of this type, as well as exercises and practices that from the body modify the structure of consciousness. Now we recognize the difference between the crepuscular and the conscious, or beyond the conscious, precisely in that very thing that puts the word "conscience." I have knowledge and awareness of what happens to me and I can control it, or me I do not know what it is and I can not control it. When, for some of the causes we have stated, these phenomena of the paranormal type are out of the ordinary (I do not say they are up or down, I say they are on the side of The normal thing), when by some of these experiences, I touch phenomena of paranormal type, I must ask myself if they enter within the scope of my conscience, if I govern them, if I understand them, or if they happen to me. They happen and I have no control over them, I say that these phenomena tend to the field of the twilight. If, on the other hand, I manage them, develop them, control them, control them, I say they belong to the realm of my consciousness and above My conscienci to. I just make differences in that. Note that in very primitive cults (for some writings that are rescued) very profound truths are read there and it seems that there was in them a knowledge of transcendental meditation, or of very intense works. However, some may have achieved that deep insight, putting themselves in a state of ecstasy or circling a fire. It happens that these phenomena actually occur, which are worth not only for the perception of things, but also for the appearance of other highly discussed but existing ones known as "psi" phenomena. These subjects can get in touch with these issues, but do they have control of that, or does it all happen? I tell you (and now it has to do with what we had noticed at the outset about morphine and whether or not drugs deteriorate the nervous system) that the biggest problem in this matter lies in the ease of getting in touch with a certain type Of phenomena. With drug or self-hypnosis it is so reasonable to reach them, it costs so little work, that I seem to warn by that greater facility that by way of knowledge, the way of effort ... the ascending way so to speak. If you had to choose, a hundred normal people worried about expanding their consciousness, between these stories of meditation or the like and a pillory, you imagine that in favor of our proposals we would not gain more than 10%., There is no doubt in the election . But would that majority, would manage and evolve consciousness or would be stuck in sizzle and at the mercy of the phenomenon? I say "at the mercy of the phenomenon", not because a hairy hand goes from the unconscious to put inside a bag ... (LAUGHS) .... but because that kind of experience, apart from the physical habit that can cause, It is psychologically habitable because of the benefits received from the meager effort made. In this way, the subject is separated from any other possibility. What work will you take on another search if you already have this on hand? That is not progress, that is what I want to tell you. That way is limited, even if there is contact. Observe that in many religions and sects when they reach those levels by twilight, the subjects speak of being taken by "spirits". Do you understand the meaning of this idea of being taken, rather than taken? Do you notice what happens in those phenomena with that of entering into trance, "being handled by", "depending on"? That is to go towards the egg, toward autism and not expand as is the function of life! Life expands, life is growth, life is development. Do you believe that enclosure, autism, schizophrenia, the twilight is expansion? Anyway, the question is interesting, I do not answer at all, but I leave some milestones that can serve as reference to the one who asked.

Heys guys, Maybe this might be useful to you? Check the video, and see if it interest you.

Hey everyone, this is Ivan I'm a humanist and Friend of Life. Have been working for some time towards the experience of immortality and changing the world. Would like to share it with you, in case you find it useful: