Hardkill

I hope there is a backlash against Trump and his party at the national level because of how disastrous the country will eventually be under their watch. However, couldn't the dominance of right-wing propaganda always protect Trump and the Republicans from ever losing the presidency and Congress to Democrats again no matter how horrific of a job they do at running the country? Also, even when Trump is gone what if most voters who are either moderates or conservatives from now just decide to never vote Democrat again and instead always vote for more normal traditional conservatives/Republicans because Democrats and liberals have now become "too progressive" for the country? I mean imagine a scenario where, despite the country being in a dire situation due to Trump and his party's policies, too many voters will refuse to support the Democratic Party. Why? Because the Democrats have become "too progressive" and "socialist" for their taste. As moderates or conservatives, they'd rather not vote at all than support a candidate associated with the liberal establishment, even if it means tolerating the current administration's and the current party's policies.

They've kept shifting more and more and more to the right ever since the election of Reagan in 1980. However, because most Americans are conservatives or moderates and as long as the extremely influential right-wing propaganda machine keeps growing stronger, it's hard for me to see how Trumpism and the Republican party will ever lose power at the national level again for the foreseeable future. I know you've said a number of times before that Trumpism and the Republican Party will eventually collapse, leading the country to desire more liberal policies. But what if too many voters, despite acknowledging Trump and his party's role in the country's terrible crisis sometime in the future, continue to vote Republican due to their conservative or moderate values and perception that Democrats have shifted too far left in this day and age? What if they're like "I'd rather die than vote Democrat ever again, even if it's someone like Gavin Newsom because they are all radical leftists who are even worse at running the country!"?

Such a generation or two of backlash would tear our society apart and would eventually force those in power to give those people's rights back. I don't see how the issue of abortion is going to go away for the foreseeable future. Ever since Roe vs. Wade was overturned those favoring abortion rights skyrocketed to levels never seen before. Hopefully, after Trump and his party ruin this country over the next 4 years, enough people will realize the atrocities they've committed. Only a very very slight majority of Americans voted for Trump and MAGA because the economy just happened to be more of a priority for this election than democracy and abortion were. Plus, don't you think that the right-wing propaganda machine had something to do with tricking too many voters into believing that the state of the whole country was bad under Biden/Harris and the Democrats? Most people really don't want any rights they have to be taken away from them. Look what happened when the Republicans tried to repeal Obamacare during Trump's first 2 years as president. They paid a steep political price for it in both the 2017 off year elections and the 2018 midterms.

Well, what do you think the progressive movement accomplished materially?

So, do you think the progressive movement since 2016 has been all for naught?

Yeah, because you believe too much in the polls. Divisive primaries are irrelevant for the party out of power because they aren't the ones governing. When your party is the one governing, then your party will be much more scrutinized by the media and the public than the party out of power will be. After all, the party in charge is the one who bears responsibility for whatever happens under their watch: Also, why aren't more progressives winning elections than the establishment democrats if people really don't like establishment Democrats?

Wait, I can't believe that if women had the right to vote taken from them, then they would eventually be okay with that. Something like that would be unthinkable in our society and cause even much greater backlash toward the right-wing than the overturning of Roe vs. Wade did. Otherwise, you might as well say that if black people in America were enslaved again, oppressed again, or segregated from white people again they might be upset for a few months, but then the black and brown communities will just accept it as just the way things are done. Actually, despite the fact that the abortion issue wasn't enough to help save Democrats from losing the presidency and Congress this time, that issue will keep hurting conservatives and Republicans in the long-run as long as we still have free and fair elections and the Democrats do a better job of combating the right-wing propaganda machine.

Obviously the rich, the elites, and celebrities are going to be more than fine during Trump's presidency because of how much the environment will massively shift in favor them of more economically but can an everyday person succeed financially and career-wise during the next 4+ years?

Yeah, a lot of Republicans are of course in Trump, but what about the moderate and independent voters who usually decide the election more so than the party base voters? I think your point about left-leaning or Democratic-leaning men who mostly stayed home and didn't vote for Kamala makes sense. Yeah, I really think your point about the right-wing media environment influencing so many young men to vote Trump and Republican really makes sense. I also believe that the dominance of the right-wing propaganda machine caused an unforseen amount of disinformation out there to the point of deceiving about 6 million voters in the country who voted for Biden in 2020 but did not vote for Harris this time.

That's not entirely true. Even Leo has talked about this. Even Obama in one of his interviews has talked about this. Younger generations are more open to liberalism and progressivism whereas older generations tend to stay more comfortable with the more old- fashioned views they grew up with. As Winston Churchill said "‘If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 35, you have no brain."

But a lot of women were still very angry about Roe v Wade being overturned in 2024. In fact, more of them were suffering badly from it then 2 years ago. Also, Trump is the greatest election denying Republican candidate! So, was his running mate JD Vance! Furthermore, Trump is the ultimate anti-generic Republican. He should've turned off even more moderate and Independent voters than any other Republican in the history of the country. Also, it still doesn't explain why Truman got re-elected in 1948 and why Reagan got re-elected in 1984 when they presided over much worse inflation and an even weaker and less stable economy.

but a lot of the people from 50 years ago or even 25 years ago or even 10 to 15 years ago already passed away and have been replaced by the younger generations of people who as a whole are less racist, less xenophobic, and less conservative than older generations are.

Over 25% of the people who voted for Trump said that they hated him and most of the voters who voted for him disapprove of him according to the exit polls. That's never happened before in US History, especially after winning the popular vote. Yeah, I thought that she could pull it off like Obama, especially since she's already been the Vice-President of the United States. Though I guess having a woman of color POTUS is still too much for the country. But that doesn't clearly answer why Democrats did well in the 2022 midterms, particularly as the party holding the White House, especially when the whole economy back then was in much worse shape than it has been in 2024. Also, why did Truman and his party in 1948 and Reagan and his party in 1984 each get re-elected during times when the economy was not as strong as it is now and when inflation during those years was much worse than it is now? None of you guys believe that unprecedented misinformation caused them to lose?

DEI hires? Please don't tell me you're falling that stupid right-wing propaganda narrative, when that is patently false and she never ran on any identity politics at all. Besides, that doesn't compare with how extreme Trump was viewed. In fact, A LOT more voters viewed Trump more than Harris as too extreme. Also, exit polls did show that Harris came off as caring more about the middle class than Trump does.

Oh no, his divisive toxic rhetoric divided and weakened the party. It made too many young people, liberals/progressive, and disaffected moderates and independents question and feel disillusioned about the governance of the incumbent party holding the White House (Obama and the Democrats). Yeah, Hillary Clinton was unpopular, but I talked to a lot of people who voted for Sanders and a lot of moderate and Independents voters out there and they said that they weren't going to vote for Hillary Clinton because they thought that Bernie was right about Obama and the Democratic establishment (including Hillary) having let them down. They also believed that the DNC and the establishment rigged the nomination against Bernie which turned them off from voting for Hillary. Actually, this is similar to part of why Harris lost. I thought that after Harris became the Democratic nominee, the whole party was strongly united behind her because she received about 99% of the delegate votes and all of the Democratic and progressive leaders in the end backed her. However, Lichtman realized in hindsight that Harris's nomination and Democratic party unity was tainted by the fact that Biden and his whole party were openly trashed by a number of Democratic leaders such as Sherrod Brown, Michael Bennet, Jon Tester as well as by progressive pundits and more mainstream Democratic pundits. This made the whole Democratic party look incompetent and in such disarray which cost Harris and her whole party more votes. Not to mention, what made that situation unique was that this was the first time in US History where an elected presidential nominee dropped out of the presidential race after winning the presidential primaries followed by Harris running as the new Dem presidential nominee very late. So, she didn't have enough time to win over enough Democratic leaning or liberal-leaning voters. Plus, to make things even worse, too many progressives out there like Cenk, Ana, Krystal Ball, Kyle Kulinski, David Doel, etc. kept whining on and on and on about how Biden and his party weren't doing good enough which further divided the party. Where do you think the saying "Dems are in disarray" comes from and the implications that has often had on their party? As for political awakening, I also believe that Trump and Bernie also caused me to become more involved in politics than ever before. However, now I am not sure if that matters anymore.

Bernie Sanders and his progressive movement caused too many young people, liberals/progressive, and disaffected moderates and independents to stay home and not vote for Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, which caused the rise of Trump and MAGA in 2016. Progressivism back then made all of these voters feel too disillusioned with the Democratic party. Regarding the 2024 elections, as Leo mentioned before, a significant number of young people, liberals/progressive, and disaffected moderates and independents turned on Biden, Harris, and their party which once again contributed to the return of Trump, MAGA, and fascism. Progressivism made these voters again feel too disillusioned with the Democratic party. Also, the corporate/establishment wing of the Democratic party will continue to be very influenced by corporate donors and big money in politics. That's not going to change for the foreseeable future. So, how will the Democratic establishment ever shift to promoting more economic populist policies the country desperately needs.

Going back to politics, we did get some historic progressive leaning stuff under Biden, but now I feel like the progressive movement started by Bernie Sanders around 2016 turned out to largely be a failure overall. If anything, I feel like it mostly backfired on liberals and Democrats for the long-run.

Then, anybody can get away with lying about it as long as they are persuasive enough.

As say they: hope for the best and prepare for the worst. If a traditional or more normal Republican were to be president like Eisenhower, Reagan, or the Bushes then I could live with that even though I wouldn't like it. However, Trump is a totally abnormal Republican president. He hasn't just committed "war crimes" like every other president in US History has. He's a convicted felon and rapist. He destroys everything around him. He's a fascist to his core and will have more power than any other president before him has ever had. Dark times are ahead and God only knows what they really are.

Yeah, you can only gain muscle with only adding a small amount of bodyfat on you if you are beginner at bodybuilding or strength training and gain 1.5 - 2.0 lbs. of fat, protein, and carbs every month. You also don't want to gain more than 20 to 25 lbs of bodyweight during your first year because any more than that during your first year will only cause you to put on total unnecessary body fat no matter how hard and consistent you work on building muscle mass/strength and no matter how good your muscle/strength building program is. Unless you take steroids or any other kind of PEDs, which would be a terrible mistake, especially as a beginner. Once you become an intermediate, which is when you've made all of the beginner gains you could make after working out hard and consistently on a good muscle/strength building program like Starting Strength or 5x5 Stronglifts or beginner's version of 5/3/1 for about a year, then you are going to have to add about 10 lbs. of bodyfat for the rest of year as you work on gaining more muscle/strength.

I don't think you realize that our country could very well be headed for such untold violence and widespread civil unrest that's never been seen before. Even Professor Mearsheimer warned in one of his interviews not too long ago, how much trouble we are all in because of the grave threat of authoritarianism and growing conflicts going on in our country and in many other parts of the world.

What happens when these followers eventually realize that people like Tate betrayed them and let them down?

I hope so. Otherwise, if they try to fuck with us, our freedom, or our families, then we will have to take them on in combat by brute force. I am actually glad that I trained very hard to become a highly trained martial artist and that I still have some dangerous weapons in my home. Though, I think I now am going to need to stock up on more brutal weapons for even better protection and get some armor like a bulletproof vest.

Of course all of their followers were corrupt fools, but none of the prophets showed any real proof of ever being connected to God in any way.

Let everyone who supports Trumpism suffer like hell. Elections have consequences......