Hardkill

I don't know how to always lead a girl from one area to another when talking to her at the beginning of a conversation. Also, I don't have my own place since I live with my parents. So it's very difficult for me to take a girl to a place to have sex with me. Every time I get close to doing it with a girl, I usually ask to go to their place, but virtually all of them except for one of them say "no we can't because their are other people at my place." Also, lots of time when a conversation with a girl I just appeoached went well and I get her number, the girl ends up not responding back. Its like she put up a good front or act when we talked in person, but then goes back on her word. That's one of the reasons why I have issued trusting women.

I personally don't think that it helps much as people would think it does. An aquaintance, who worked on his inner game for years still struggles with women. He says that he doesn't really care anymore about being rejected or being alone completely. I said to him that I dorm understand why your non-neediness is not attracting a lot of women. His response was "non-neediness does not make you attractive. It just doesn't make you unattractive." So doing stuff to work on inner game through Improving your cognitive perspective, practicing meditation will only eliminate your negative unattractive traits of your character. However, it will not necessary make u charismatic, socially calibrated, funny, sexy, or edgy unless u already had those attractive traits to begin with. So even if you neutralized those negative or unattractive qualities of your personality you still could come off as just an average boring nice guy or someone who is truly a very kind, generous, respectful, and grateful individual, but still fails to understand how to fit in with people socially because he's like a nerd who can't comprehend how to or someone who has a very severe case of Asperger's syndrome. It's sad, but I believe that that's the reality of the world we live in.

So that's it? No one here really knows how to help me?

But See_on_See, that's what I've been trying to figure out. I've been analyzing every aspect of myself for years to the point of where I stressed myself out and yet I can't figure it what I am doing to turn off girls. It's like I can't solve some sort of quantum physics problem. I've thought about seeing a pickup coach or going to a pickup seminar, but they are all ridiculously expensive and too inconvenient for me to travel to. Tightrope walker, even when I approach women during a day when I am in a great mood, it still never worked. Again, I practiced mindfulness with a legit psychologist, Psy. D. for well over year to point of feeling at peace and "one with the universe," and ironically it didn't increase my ability to attract women. All it did was make me more like able and at ease around people in general socially. That's why Gunwitch says that u don't need to be a monk to pickup. In fact he mentions how working on your inner game up to a certain point becomes counterproductive to seducing women. I really think that Leo is the only person who can possibly give me the best insight and solution on here.

See_on_see, I told u already that I tried following Corey Wayne's methods to the letter a few years ago for a while and while they sounded all good on paper, they didn't work for me. Santiago, as I stated above on this forum topic, I've been doing martial arts for over 10 years and weightlifting/powerlifting for over 3 and a half years as hobbies. I am a grad student studying to be an occupational therapist. Furthermore, I've gone to meetups such as trivia night for several months, kickball meetup, volleyball meetup, and recently joined a running training club. Plus, I just went to a meditation meetup earlier tonight. Moreover, I am getting a contradiction of advice between what Aurum is suggesting to me and what See_on_see is saying I should do. Aurum is telling me to analyze like a pickup and see_on_see is telling me to not to do so and just do the "authentic" way (whatever that truly means because I am probably not a normal human and may never be). So what the hell am I supposed to do. Actually, do any of u guys know if Leo answer PMs to him frequently or has he gotten too busy to answer most of them back efficiently?

I see what u mean Truth. I guess that makes sense. Aurum, the very opening of any interaction is never really the issue because my looks take care of it (I don't like to brag, but people who know me have told me that I should've done modeling). It's the hooking part of the interaction and I still am sure if I am doing the cold reads right. Also, I wish I knew how to build a strong social frame in most of my interaction. Btw, be brutally honest with me guys. Given everything I've done so far, do I only have slim chance at succeeding at pickup? Do I truly have any sufficient genetic latent aptitude to learn well at this stuff? Or am I too retarded for it? I know that given my natural talents I'll never become an English professor or foreign language professor or mathematician at a University, but perhaps I am simply too dumb to learn how to excel at pickup as well. I wonder what Leo would have to say about all of this.

The thing is that a few years ago, not only did I watch all of Corey Wayne vids and read his book thoroughly over 15 times, but also I was very non-needy around others to point where I didn't really care about finding a girlfriend or having sex ever. In fact, I did mindfulness practice with my therapist for over a year. I ultimately became very indifferent to virtually everything and everyone around me. So I then decided to cold approach about a hundred girls because I figured "I've reached a level of detachment to the point where it doesn't matter if I get rejected or things don't go according to the way I want. I also was quite fun to be around to and people liked me. However, it never got me laid and I was still a virgin who still never had a girlfriend before. That's when I realized that I am not good enough for the girls I want and worked so damn hard on the pickup stuff for a few years. So, obviously becoming "one" with the world and enjoying the present moment didn't work to attract the girls I wanted. My therapist told me that once I become a healthcare professional (which is what I've been currently studying for) then I'll be a more attractive candidate for women. However, I am skeptical of that idea because guys who are good with women have mentioned how having a decent paying career is irrelevant in attracting women. I wonder what someone like Leo would recommend I do.

I am not trying to use anyone. I was hoping that someone like Leo would give me some valuable solution or insight on what to do besides meditation to encourage me to not give up any hope about one day having a happy sex, dating, love life if u put in the hard work like I have with it. Maybe, I don't have the genetic talent for learning seduction or even becoming relationship material for any girl. Is there any hope for me?

Many pickup artists have said that having an attractive lifestyle will make u attractive to women. However, I've been doing serious weight training/powerlifting for over 3 and half years and have a 2nd degree black belt in a martial art that I've been practicing for over 10 years. Also, I've been doing meetup groups and recently joined a running training club. Also, I graduated from UCLA for my undergrad degree and am currently in grad school for a healthcare profession. How many more activities or things do I need to do to have enough of an attractive lifestyle? Or does having an "attractive lifestyle" not really do anything for getting the women u want? I feel like this was such a BS concept that these PUA chuckleheads came up with to gain publicity, views, and money from the public. I've been trying to meditate and working on my humor, but it's still so hard to live my life. Even if I keep practicing these methods, I feel like I'll be a social loser forever. I am 5'9" 163 lbs. and people have always told me that I look like male celebrities like Ashton Kutcher or Ian Somerholder, but it doesn't matter because sadly women aren't nearly as visual as men are. Everyday, it feels like a tremendous burden for me to carry and I try to distract myself from this pain by keeping myself busy by being very physically active, reading stuff, watching TV, being with my parents or my dog, and meditating, doing my work at my job, etc. but I still live with this pain of uncertainty of my future, utter dejection from others, depression, and immense discouragement from interacting with girls or even people. I wonder why Leo never made a video on what to do when u feel this disheartened from approaching girls, dating, sex, and romance. Ive tried analyzing what I am doing wrong in my interactions, but I can't figure out what I am doing wrong. It feels so complicated to the point of becoming an impossible puzzle to solve and I can't even just let go of it. I tried taking a break from pickup for 4-5 months, but it still has been devouring my mind. This really has ruined my concentration and productivity on my everyday tasks. Sometimes I just want to end my life to end all of this pain. Not even my therapists and medical psychiatrist have been able to help me let go of this issue. I don't know what to do anymore to end this suffering.?