Hardkill

Congratulations Leo! Now you're officially recognized as being the person closest to becoming God. 🤣

I never thought that this thread would turn into a heated debate over trans and corruption.

but left-wing policies that have granted civil rights and voting rights for racial minorities, women, the lgbtq+ community, etc. have restricted what kind of good freedoms?

The right-wing is not truly for freedom either. Right-wing ideology and conservatism is really about hierarchy, order, and traditions.

Oh....so is becoming a tier-2 individual all about transcending the corruption of left, right, and center?

So, are centrists less corrupt than the right-wing, but more corrupt than leftists, are?

Pretty much. The media environment used to be very centralized and relatively neutral. Before the 1980s-1990s, the internet and social media obviously never existed and there were only a very few amount of channels on the radio and on TV that had political commentary. Furthermore, every show on tv and radio that talked about politics had to present both left-wing and right-wing views on every single issue because of the Fairness Doctrine. That's it. That helped create enough downward pressure on right-wing propaganda, which helped Democrats, liberals, and moderates get their message across clearly and helped keep the spread of misinformation in check.

Liberals and centrists used to dominate the media environment before the rise of the right-wing media ecosystem beginning in the 1990s.

Yeah, I’ve tried convincing conservatives to be more open-minded about abortion, diversity, civil rights, and immigration rights, and they’ve responded with things like, “No! It’s murder! It’s murder!!!” or “I’m not going to argue with you about this. Obviously, we’re not going to agree, so leave me alone!” or “I’m sorry, but I just can’t get there… it’s so un-American!”—or they simply refuse to engage at all.

Right! I would mean that we fight another day so to speak on trans rights and other social justice issues. Also, have them talk about how corporate greed, Elon Musk, and Trump are the real Devils who are destroying the Judeo-Christian roots of our country. The Democrats have to really talk A LOT more on masculinity and how there's nothing inherently wrong with male sexuality of men and men being good strong leaders of society. They should also say that while they respect women's right to work any kind of job and earn as much money as she wants, many women these days are not behaving as feminine as women in older generations did and don't have the right kind of men who can guide them guide them properly and protect them.

Why can't we just hold off on fighting for more civil rights for another decade or so, while focusing on fixing the economic problems first?

So, then why don't run on socially moderate to conservative stances while running on economic populism from now on?

If people are so malleable, then why did it take a bloody Civil War to free African Americans from slavery? Why did it require one of the largest and most effective civil rights movements in U.S. history just to secure women the right to vote? Why did it take yet another herculean effort—along with the traumatic loss of many innocent lives—to finally end Jim Crow laws through the civil rights movement of the mid-20th century? And why did so many gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and queer people suffer, face violence, die by suicide, or endure unnecessary death and suffering from AIDS during the decades-long fight for LGBTQ+ rights—before mainstream acceptance and the eventual legalization of gay marriage in the mid-2010s? Democrats obviously shouldn't normalize Nazism or Trump-like rhetoric. Hell, even most Republicans don't normalize Nazism.

So, what if we are conforming to old-school values from the 1940s? Most Americans are either conservative or moderate. How can you realistically expect to convince the majority of Americans to accept DEI, transgender rights, and other left-leaning social issues when many are undereducated and barely making ends meet? Let the right-wing and the Republican Party think they’re winning by siding with them on almost all social values—except on abortion and climate change—and then completely shock them when they realize they're losing the fight on economics through a revival of New Deal or Square Deal-style policies. That doesn’t mean Democrats have to sound insulting toward foreigners, racial minorities, women, or the LGBTQ community like Trump often does. And it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t call out serious, unconstitutional actions committed by Trump and the GOP—especially when those actions have gravely harmed individuals like Kilmar Abrego Garcia. Democrats just need to sound more like Reagan Republicans on cultural issues—minus the rhetoric on “welfare queens,” anti-abortion stances, and climate denial—while forcefully opposing far-right extreme freaks like Alex Jones and Steve Bannon. On economic issues, they should sound like New Deal Democrats.

What you’re suggesting is not how TR and FDR successfully built their winning party coalitions that would last for decades and not how they successfully shifted the Overton window to the left. They too had to pick their battles by focusing primarily on economist populism to the hilt while putting on a believable performance that they stand for all traditional American values including Judeo-Christianity, abiding by what the Bible said, patriotism, the dominance of masculinity, women serving their men and raising their children at home, men being men, women being women marriage between a man and a woman, law and order, being tough on crime, being very pro military while also being strong diplomats, keeping America pure, prioritizing the well being of white people, etc.