Tyler Robinson

Raise your own value and you'll automatically be invited to places where you'll find high class upper echelon kind of people. Mingle in that crowd, you'll surely run into your types. I don't know why that would be hard.

@Carl-Richard I've a thread on Bernardo Kastrup. Am I allowed to add more stuff to that thread?

Good job being human. You are alright sir.

My number one flaw is laziness and procrastination followed by lack of focus and clarity.. List yours.

OK then settled. I agree with you.

How about prevention and healing? How about the message that we don't fuck up people in the first place? How about reducing the overall burden of karma? Grassroots approach, nip it in the bud. Just offering my Alt perspective, not arguing yours at all. You're showing empathy to victims and I deeply appreciate but I'm trying to be Empathetic to both parties. I see the criminal as a victim of the system too. To what extent is everything only and only personal responsibility? Do you agree that people are impacted by their environment and their upbringing too? Why don't they get their karma then?

@thisintegrated you haven't given me much fodder to debate you on this. First tell me your personal perspective and then I can offer my thoughts. Sir you first.

I think you can always maintain a strict threshold. Allow things to unfold on their own and when a situation enters your threshold area, it's time to call it quits. Of course it's a matter of balance and perception.

Haha. How do you organize stuff in your life?

@thisintegrated who's Turquoise and who is green and what's your point please?

I think going vegan is a bad idea if you have physical health conditions. First fix that. Lower your stress levels. Most eating related disorders are connected to stress.

@Epikur thank you so much for those tips.

@Razard86 I think when you become that person and that person becomes you, you sort of learn to own their suffering. Their suffering triggers you just as much. But at the same time, letting others be themselves is sometimes the best solution to all kinds of suffering. Imagine a mother who is constantly trying to fix a child. That paradoxically also means that there is something wrong with the child.

I had experiences where people repeatedly backstabbed me after gaining my trust. Practice forgiveness. Let go. Don't be around those same people again. Cut them out. Forgive them but don't forget what they did. Just let them go. It's toxic when someone is badmouthing others to you. They could do the same to you what they do to others. Goodluck.

What's those messages about?

For whatever reason, this comment cracked me up.

This is sadistic thinking sorry. This makes us worse than the criminal. I would forgive a man even if he raped me. I would only hope that he would realize what he did to me was painful. But under no circumstances would I want him tortured. That's an absolute no.

This take is purely based on selfishness and monetary considerations. Money is not important. Life is. If you thought every life is equally important then you wouldn't think this way. If your child was in prison, you certainly would never want your child to be put to death. You act like you're saving the society. By killing someone we get nothing. Do you realize that sometimes it's the prison guards and wardens abuse their power and rape these criminals. You're only judging them off the labels thrown at them. To think that someone is beyond healing and redemption is ludicrous. The criminal justice system is extremely corrupt as someone stated above. It's not so black and white as your stage Orange lenses make it out to be. So think twice before jumping on the bandwagon. When we show empathy, it boomerangs back to us. Show love and it will come back. Show judgement and hate and it will come back too. You're not in the shoes of criminals. Don't be too quick to judge. Most people who apply for a job of a police officer or a jail warden are actually very narcissistic and power hungry people who use these jobs as badges of honor rather than duty. How many cops have slaughtered unarmed people in the line of duty and gotten away with it, simply because they're cops. Should we call them licensed criminals, because that's what they are? Understand that any criminal is always at the receiving end of our judgement/mercy. They can't decide anything for themselves because they are powerless to do so. We as a collective society get to decide the course of their life, and as such we are required to exercise caution. One mistake can put an innocent person to death. Also if we decide to kill a person, how are we different from the criminal? We also did what they did, the only difference being we used some moral justification for it. We should not have the right to abuse someone because they abused someone else. We don't know what systemic factors were at play behind their crimes. And why are you so hell bent on thinking that criminals are simply incapable of rehabilitation and redemption? Where is your scientific reasoning or analysis or data for this? When was it proved that criminals were beyond repair? Who has proved it? So much of what you say is a Stage Green shadow, speculative conjecture and hypothesizing with no real evidence to back up your claims. There aren't too many incidents of criminals attacking nurses or guards etc. Especially on prison grounds. The reason is simple. The prisoners are sent to solitary confinement and much worse conditions if they break rules. A prison is not a five star hotel. Prisoners are regularly reminded how awful they are, they barely get good food to eat, living in a 24/7 cell makes them mentally fragile and so they are easily inclined to follow jail rules and policies. In fact many times prisoners are raped, abused and tortured in the most inhumane ways because they have nobody to defend them. Victims are a part of Vulnerable groups. But so are prisoners. The level of prison abuse is simply unthinkable Imagine if someone was raised to be a psychopath by their awful upbringing and then their fucked up psyche caused them to commit crimes and they were caught and punished and tortured, raped by prison guards and abused by the system. It's like the cycle of abuse never ends and there is zero chance to being a better person. Do you realize that they absolutely had zero chance at a better life, that they were first abused by society and then abused by the prison system with absolutely no escape from this abusive cycle? Why shouldn't they deserve a chance to improve? So does that mean that a rapist will always be a rapist, a thief will always remain a thief, a murderer will always be a murderer? Where is the space for healing and change? If you think that someone who is a psychopath is impossible to adapt, change or become a better person then your thinking is very moralistic,, Judgmental, stage Blue Hitlerian and very myopic. This is one of the reasons why I hate stage Blue. It's so purely moralistic unempathetic and dogmatic.

So humanitarian considerations should be thrown out the window in lieu for an option that appears cheaper? Well done.

Offending a black person using offensive words is re-triggering their buried historical trauma. It's not okay and has zero justification. Using the n word is extremely offensive and shows a complete disregard for a person's mental and emotional state.

The only people so far that I could not have empathy or compassion for even if I tried my hardest are the British grooming gangs To operate in a gang and terrorize women with rape and torture, it's simply inexcusable because they're being frighteningly predatory. Such people don't deserve empathy because they operate in gangs. This cannot be a situation of bad upbringing. It has to be with gaining power using pack mentality. Such people need to be locked away for good. Other than that, most criminals might not be predatory but just a product of their circumstances. Of course there needs to be exceptions to showing empathy and compassion. Meanwhile most criminals deserve our compassion but some criminals especially the predatory ones do not. Because clearly they are exploitative and not committing a crime out of desperation (example theft can be out of desperation and not exploitation ) so exploitative criminals might continue their methods of exploitation if they are released into society. These include terrorists and certain types of gangs like grooming gangs It's just to ensure protection of vulnerable groups..

This is a great counter argument. On point.

@Leo Gura you do realize that you are cherry picking. A better question to ask yourself is-- Is every criminal in the US prison equivalent to Bin Laden or Hitler? You could give them the death penalty. But you're using extreme cases. This is a logical fallacy and not very helpful to the argument. You're generalizing in an attempt to sway the argument Poor tactic. Most Criminals are nowhere comparable to the examples you stated. There are millions of people languishing in the US prison system. some of whom are charged falsely. be practical and nuanced Leo. you are not going to win this argument. this time it's a no.. all your arguments on this situation are petty cherry picking, impractical and exaggeration

Most people who support the death penalty aren't using the perspective of empathy or mercy. Use mercy and you'll see that criminals also deserve our empathy and understanding. Use mercy and empathy from a meta perspective.