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do you mean will you still need to or do you mean why bother?

@Nadosa It's normal, it's not that easy either. Try to find where the "I" that is suffering is, whenever you feel that truth is scaring you that's when you know you are pushing a button, let the fear come and go. Your thoughts are illusory, think about an animal that scares you, like a a big fuzzy spider, imagine it crawiling over your body, or getting inside of your mouth, that feeling of "argh!" might feel real but do you actually see a spider? no, and yet it can completly change your mood, without having a good reason. It can feel real, but it is not. the point is not to run away from it, embrace whatever you are feeling, let yourself feel what needs to be feltand watch it come and go like a meaningless wave. you are not an observer, that's an ego trap, you are not behind the eyes, you aren't located anywhere, try to become really conscious about this. if it didn't stay it wasn't true ego death, also you cannot force peace to come, when you try to force peace you get a war Most people in this forum came because of their suffering, in the end everyone wants to escape it, not face it. There's only one way for you to get rid of the pain, and it is by seeing the stories for what they are, stories. Your ego is going to want to hold them as truth, because admiting they are not real means killing the ego, stay strong and do the research, update your progress if you can

@Leo Gura All though I don't fully agree with what you said i'll keep an open mind and think about it, cheers

@Leo Gura can you explain something to me? When you say he "doesn't explain the entire field" do you mean there is something missing in spirituality or to truth? which one do you take priority on? Because i've seen the forum from a far for a while and i see a lot of talks about chakras, love, third eye, and i'm not denying it, but i feel like it's more of a distraction of a happy feeling for the ego than actually doing the work to unconver the delusion. isn't the point to wake up? what would matter if some stuff would be left out if it didn't impact the end result?

okay, keep an open mind and breath slowly. There is literally nothing to worry about, i mean it. What you are undergoing right now is the ego slowly realizing the truth. Now take another breath because i'm going to try to explain this to you in the most gentle way possible You don't control your thoughts, you don't control how you will feel in relations to your thoughts, therefore you cannot control how you are going to act next in relation to how you feel, because all of it has been already decided by the brain, who works by using information about the past which it decided to keep for whatever reason(notice you cannot decide what to remenber and what to forget, cause it's not you). This fear you are feeling it's the fear of ego-death, but no matter how melancholic you feel understand that it is not real, it can feel like a knife going through your heart, understand this, it's there to keep you still and from realizing the truth. you are not who you think you are, that's it. you're not in trouble, you are not in danger, there's nothing wrong going on. You are not an observer, you are the observation, you are the experience itself, you are, that's the most fucking powerful thing in the god damn universe. you cannot be controlled and there is nothing you can control, you are the experience seeing that it is an experience. The problem is the experience thinks it's an entity, and letting go of old world views can be shocking and scary but hold tight. There's nothing wrong with ego, heck we need it in order to make this life seem interesting, but what happens is your fake self, you character, wants to leave the play of life while still being it because it read the script and in it it says it's going to die. don't mistake physical death with actual death, truth is everyone is already dead, you just haven't realized yet, there is no need to go that far, you are scared but it will pass. Now, about going back to the ego, understand this, everyone no matter how freaking enlightened has an ego, the difference is they don't identify with it, they can't, it makes no more sense anymore, because they are not it, you are not your ego, this suffering is literally not yours. much like a random thought that pops into your head cannot be yours because you didn't create it how can this suffering be? you didn't choose how to feel this way did you? The solution is not denying the truth, it's embracing it. It is going to be hard, it is going to be frustrating, and it will test you, but that doesn't mean it's over for you. "Nadosa" is your character, it will still do "Nadosa" stuff, the difference will be that once it realizes the truth it won't suffer anymore with the delusions, you can go back to live life again no problem but the difference is that you will know the truth. you will develop more compassion for yourself and you are going to understand why people are the way they are. Have faith that by investigating the truth you will understand it and still enjoy life. If i may recommend a book once you are more relaxed and willing to embrace the fear, read jed mckenna's the damnedest thing, he's a bit of a dick but you can't deny his points. When I used to do self inquiry i'd feel a horror like i was being hunted down, it was by far one of the worse sensations i felt, but that was fake fear and i kept at it, and now it's gone, it may look horrible now, but trust me, it isn't. Now i see that the fear was never trully real, when you realize what you trully are there is nothing to fear, only to enjoy.

I think someone can be more genetically inclined to develop something if given the right trigger but i don't think people are born with it with me i had a normal childhood but one day i questioned god and I freaked out, took years to tone it down. It mostly had to do with my views of the world being too indiffirent and fear of being responsible for my own life, i think TV and living in a violent country contributed slowly to that if you feel neurotic from birth looking at recs for people who have had it developed couldn't hurt, everyone might have a different way of overcoming their fears but some pointers can still help you overcome yours

@Monkey-man i mostly agree but i think that depends, back in highschool there was this kid who for 4 years straight had all grades 95+, but i could tell from miles away that he didn't care about truth or personal develompment, and he was well known for it, the teachers loved the guy. but when you say low interest to study do you mean to study more than the subject given(go beyond) or to actually develop interest in the subject? Or do you mean like the ego gets its head stuck in its own superficial interest too much and refuses to learn anything? Because even if no-self was realized there would still be a lot of useless stuff taught with the current system. I'm all for teaching about pyschology and non duality but i'd still want a class where you are taught to question and actually research all that you learned. Yeah I think it could be fun, I think it's highly unlikely that it will happen but again, hope to be wrong. also about the dog thing, i have proof, it has become one with it

@Monkey-man I agree with your first sentence but i'm on the fence on the second, I think it will make the lives of people, well for a lack of a better term, less filled with bullshit and delusions, but i think the current system would sort of crumble, when you see that there's nothing that needs to be doing the whole game becomes pointless, even enlightment. I don't think you can take the dream seriously after you wake up. Hope to be wrong though, who knows, could be funner

It could be good, but i fear people might take it on blind faith One thing I dislike about schools is that they encourage you NOT to question any of it, so my concern would be that if we were to teach the 'truth' about non duality i think a lot of people would end up taking it on blind faith, not doing the work, and getting lost and stuck, and end up just lubing the ego in the process. Hey, wouldn't be funny to be in a ego-free enviroment that is run by egos? oh wait... @Monkey-man Also would the schools's purpose change to just "enlighten" people or to make the current system work just a little bit better?

@Mighty Mouse I think this forum will be getting you more angry than entertained Just remenbered: Maya wins again!

Been there dude, it's horrible isn't? The way I dealt with was embracing it. Fear just means you know "something is not quite right" I tried to get answers to questions i realized made 0 difference in my life, all that i thought i wanted were just stories. My advice in relation to OCD When the brain tries to make sense of something:Stop it, don't dare listen to it, even if you get a heart attack from it When you get worried or anxious:Stop, lay down, and breath, and realize that the thoughts you have are illusory All your thoughts are literally stories, they are not real nor do they matter. Ask yourself why you need the answer to your questions, then ask what's the thing that needs to have the answers. In end you don't need it, you just think you do

@Mighty Mouse I agree 100% with what you said, isn't this pointless debating fun?

@tecladocasioI know, you said "I don't know if enlightment is just a ''brain activity'' , but i don't discart this possibility" that's me saying that it doesn't make a difference if it is or it isn't. You said it yourself, one thing doesn't exclude the other, so what is the problem? Again i'm not saying believe, on the opposite, question it.

everything is a trick of maya, everything is pointless, but it's fun asf no? Keep going until the fun ends, that's when you know progress is being made

@tecladocasio love is also a brain activity, so is suffering, so is being tired, or excited, or brave, or afraid, if by your logic anything that's just a brain activity is "just a brain activity" (as in an illusion )why wouldn't any of them be an illusion? labeling something as "it's just a..." doesn't actually adress the issue of what it is and prevents you from going even deeper. What is pain? oh it's just a chemical reaction, yeah tell that to yourself when you stub your toe next time, see what "revelation" you will get. enlightment is not about feeling good or all powerful, it's about the truth. When they say "i'm god, i am all there is" it takes time to understand, don't get stuck on thinking what it means when you haven't gotten there yet, when it arrives then go full skeptical, question everything, and even if you end up being wrong in the end, ask yourself, what is the thing that is being wrong?

Keep questioning, the only Thing you know for sure is that you exist, right?

idk, how can "I"?

Yep, cause it's all unreal. god is not good, he is not evil either, god is nothing. From the ego's perspective witnessing a murder is evil and a lack of god but truth be told it's literally nothing, it just is what it is. I personally don't like the "god is love" crowd because they ignore that suffering was intended to exist, and just like suffering is illusory, well, so is love. Truth isn't about feeling good, it's about truth. It might give some pleasure in the beggning but it fades after a while, it is mostly stress going away.

not going to lie, i laughed my ass off at this. So what you are saying is that if you didn't love it, and given the opportunity, you would slice it up? i think it's more of a feeling of "i could do it" like when you are at the edge of a cliff, are you worried about this?

@playdoh deconstruct your desires. I need this, why do i need this? because this, why will this do this? because that, why will that do that? because it. Get really deep into it. Passionate sex oh boy can't miss out that yes, sex feels god, so does rubbing one out, or eating ice cream, or punching a grizzly bear in the throat and living to tell the tale. Do you really need it though? Will you die if you don't have that what you want? and if you can die from it, why is that a bad thing? those are the type of questions you should be doing, they fuck the ego up real good. I'm not saying "be desireless! it's the only way" screw that, i'm saying don't get too attached to things, don't believe in the stories your brain wants you to believe, i need this to be happy, i need her to be safe, i need to do this to be great, none of that is true. That's your brain telling you a narrative because it needs something to make the story interesting, or else it becomes too boring. And that's what is going to suck/pillage you, accepting things, letting go. if you need something go get it, if you think you ABSOLUTELY NEEDS THIS OMG I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT OMG WHYYYYY probally just another story, go see it for yourself. The ego needs its distractions, it needs to have fun, it needs something to keep it alive! When you see the truth you will see that everything is just a play, nothing really matters, there's nothing wrong with anything, nobody should be doing anything, and yet the show has to go on, the difference will be you will notice that you are an actor pretending to need the stuff it thinks it needs. so work on your characters desires or don't, makes 0 difference in the end, not real either way, but to you it's going to feel like that. This is kind of harsh but i wish someone had said this to me in the beggning. with that said it's okay to have fun otherwise why are you still here? nothing wrong with having sex, rubbing one out, eating ice cream, punching the grizzly bear, just don't go too overboard cause chances are your character will want to leave the play while still being in it:spoiler alert, cannot do that

@playdoh you know when you self inquiry your heart races a little bit? for me, whenever i came close to seeing the truth even though i was extremely calm my entiry body would send feelings of terror all over itself, like i was an animal being hunted, my heart would sky rocket, i would feel like throwing up, that feeling of vunerability, the feeling of "no, please not this" not wanting to die, you are going to have to go through that in the beggning, but don't worry it's not like you have to suffer 24/7 to get there, the more progress you do the less the fear will remain. There will be responses like fear/dread/depression/futility in the beggning but that is to be expected, you are going to have to embrace it though, not to ignore with distractions. Now what i meant with bliss is that this process is literally going to kill you, all of your relationships, friends, dreams, fears, you will see them for what they trully are, it's not going to be pleasent, not saying you can't have blissfull experiences in it, i have had them before, but do not get attached to the feeling of bliss, do not think this is what it is about "being happy all the time" that's a fairy tale. i'm saying this is going to sting you way more than hug you and say that you are going to be okay. Btw the lie doesn't end, you just know it's a lie. Again do this for truth's sake It's super fun/the most pillaging thing one can go through

That's because you are vulnerable, the ego that is. It doesn't like to acknowldge that though, so it makes enlightment seem like this horrible thing, and it is, FOR IT! To answer your question, no, the minute you see the truth it goes away(not like it never comes back, right now you will probally be experiecing waves), you are not going to be immune but you will not hold such a strong connection with the emotions the character of you is feeling. With that said, to get there, you are literally going to have to worsen your feeling of dread. Again, do not do this expecting bliss, this is truth for truth sake, it can take you 1 year, 5 years, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, the freaking heat death of the universe, but if you want this for the truth then go after it, be patient, it will be worth it. But if you want this as free get out jail card you are in for a rough time

If it doesn't seem to be threating you then i'd say just wait a week or two to see it go down. Do you want to get rid of it? if so try running around, see if that makes it go away. if it lasts for too long i recommed you go see a doctor. Then again weird shit happens when you meditate, shouldn't take too long to begone

I think it's your body getting used to a new level of awareness, maybe there's kundalini involved? when did you notice this happening, as in, what caused it? P.S try not getting too distracted by it

Oh boy, you are in for a ride if I might give you a warning:Do not do this expecting bliss, the minute you start to realize this, your entire world is going to collapse upside down. This is truth for truth sake, come heaven or hell. Question everything you hold dear, your hopes, motivations, emotions, your fears, nothing you believe to be has any basis or is special, it is all an illusion to keep this lie interesting. If you trully realize this or not it makes 0 difference, with that said i recommend you to sit down and try to think of nothing at all for 1 minute straight:spoiler alert, you will fail, how can you be the brain if you don't control it?