Jacobsrw

Anyone have experience with either of these two substances? Supposedly the psychedelic property of 1B LSD is identical to that of traditional LSD. Reason I’m asking, is that I am considering trailing this substance. Would love to hear some insights on different LSD molecules.

Thanks for the correction I got my geography confused for some reason I had Syria in my head

Hypocritical nationalism at its finest. Two words: greed and fear. Its appalling how destructive America’s campaigns have been (especially Trumps). They’ve simply strong armed the Afghanistan into a submission which allows the US to over extend its power. The irony is, all this disruption to the Afghanistan only further effects international development. The more the these countries are repressed the more they suffer and the weight is taxed on the rest of the globe.

This is true. Many whom have no point of leverage to represent them self appear far less competent than they actually are. It’s not that poor people are un-intelligent as a general statement. It’s that many do not have the resources available to exhibit it. Of course, there are many who are deluded and toxic. However, a far majority of the issues surrounding poor people and their level of competency is due to the way in which society is structured.

You’re over simplifying a complex matter. Stages of development have many degrees and gradations.

Keen to try this out ?

You use the term “poor” far too loosely. I feel the problem here is to use a western lens to understand a non western locality. Of course they know nothing about the news and politics, the country is underdeveloped in many areas. That’s not what we were discussing. Spirituality is more integral to the Indian culture. Don’t assume the rich in India are sitting there being mystics. It’s often those who live conservatively. I think this is far more complex than simplistic categories.

That’s a false equivalency. You are conflating my point. I feel you have a very myopic view of survival. One does not simply become rich and simultaneously contented. The rich are some of the most unsatisfied and insatiable people on the planet, hence the greed for more wealth under the delusional idea it will solve their problem. It’s a self-perpetuating endless cycle of greed. Poor people may become needy to have their survival met but this doesn’t necessarily make them greedy, it makes them instinctually driven. What are you on about? Liberia is mostly Christian and most parts of Africa overlap into spiritual/theological belief. How about India, China or Peru? The far majority of the spiritually involved are poor residing in villages. I have no idea where you are sourcing your information.

That’s completely subjective. How one uses their money often has to do with the culture of their salary. Rich people do not live modestly. And further, they manipulate systems in order to accrue more wealth. Wealth may not corrupt you but the culture of it will. It’s not greed that generally drives them, it’s the desperation for a sufficient livelihood. Greed is the need for an excess of what already exists. That is precisely the definition of a rich person. You have your terms backwards.

Indeed. Most in the field of study have very little intellectual capacity to appreciate Wilbers work.

This is fascinating. I think the method of administration is greatly influential on not only length of the trip but the quality and potency of it. Would be good to experiment with multiple methods.

That’s true, however, again you are crudely and vaguely generalising poor people. Those who are poor by the means of a minimum wage do not require existing in such a way. They can still afford to eat and fulfil basic needs. You are using the example of a minority. Most poor live mediocrely. Thus, have little wealth to corrupt them. Be specific in which destination along the continuum you are referring. Motivation is a product of the conditions in your environment not only ones self-agency. If you are predisposed poor you are inherently less likely to be motivated. And those who are, typically have historical work ethic values.

This I definitely wasn’t expecting him to complete. Props to him. However, the hard work is what proceeds. Hopefully it humbled him and purifies his online social notoriety.

Oooo that sounds appealing I’ll look into that. Thank you!

@Artsu I see you point but it veers on the highly dualistic side. One simply requires consciousness, that is all. Living in harmony is intuitive to your very being. It’s the minds tendency to fragment things dualistically where problems of ethical behaviour arise.

Ah okay. I guess it’s trail and error hey. I’ve always been interested in LSD but I’m not a massive fan of visuals while I’m trying to do deep inner work. I find it disorienting. This is why I find 5meO so appealing also its short lived which is an added benefit. Where LSD is like one of the longest acting psychedelics. Problem with 5meO is it’s so powerful it’s difficult to integrate. So I’m thinking of straddling it with other molecules like LSD in an experimental fashion.

Exactly right. Because we are using the mind in a relative sense. To exercise consciousness in a particular way for a particular purpose. That being, to live as optimal possible while bring a limited finite being. The more attached to morals you are the more attached to mind you are. The bases of living well is to use the mind in a detached manner while recognising your true nature beyond it.

Another arbitrary construction of the mind. Any idea, though, theory or activity of mind is self created and fundamentally groundless. It only relates to the relative existence we call human life, which is purely mind stuff. Beyond this is consciousness and that is all that exists no distinctions or parameters.

Wow. Fascinating. Dude this sounds very much like my 5meO experience I had just recently. It literally blew my socks off. Never experienced anything like it. It was like a bomb detonated and I was taken into an oblivion being then reborn just after. Not as enlightening as it sounds though. Nonetheless looking forward to my next 5meO experience. So how does 1P LSD go in the dark if treated like a mushroom trip?

Ah okay very interesting. So is 1P LSD similar time LSD in isolation? Like by itself? And what’s onset like? I’ve never even had LSD so have no idea. I just know from research. I too fear I will be sensitive to LSD to be honest haha. My mushroom experience was pretty heavy for a light dose.

Good and bad never existed to begin with. It has always and was always created by the mind. Good and bad dissolve once ones consciousness expands simply by the fact morality has no objective existence

And let the psychedelic and non-psychedelic user debate begin... In all honesty though, I do agree. The current human psyche is so entrenched in delusion it’s almost inhuman to attain large leaps in growth through simply doing intermittent meditation. One needs to meditate for long periods at a time to match some of the other hardcore methods out there, such as psychedelics and breath work. I love mediation but for the average human dedicated to this work its futile by itself.

Good luck finding one of them in our current societies May as well start digging up bones. Would be great to see the outcomes of a government of this sort nonetheless.

True however so are those in corporate power. Platos ideal would be interesting to see out. However, society would become far more materialistic and pragmatic than it already is, id guess. Considering majority of philosophers are now say “scientifically” subscribed and have little interest in metaphysical facets. Nice idea. It would be grand but you would need to incentivise learning more than leisure. Which in our day an age seems more problematic than ever before.

Yes that’s true but it’s circumstantial not self-predicated. Those who are secure are by the very fact of where they were born and the social systems in which watered them, that being usually western or highly developed demographics. Not so sure I agree with you there. On the continuum “poor” and “rich” are very vague terms from which to draw such a distinction. Many poor, who are not homeless on the street per say, are far more spiritually inclined and developed than a corporate businessman. The stereotypical poor are usually more humble and receptive than the rich I’d say. The stereotypical rich are usually more greedy, mechanistic, reductionistic and pragmatic. It’s simply all about what maximises their existing wealth. They have no grip on the metaphysical nature of reality if it could hit them over the head.