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I have many witnesses. Come see me.

It appears superficial to you, because you are superficial.

It wasn't only psychedelics, of course. Psychedelics is basically meditation on steroids. I have spend thousands of hours in meditation, with and without psychedelics.

It's possible that it's simply a matter of dosage. I can certainly casually smoke 5-MeO DMT and even smoke it deeply while having a completely ordinary conversation with you, the same dose that would bring terror or complete incapacitation in most people, just like it would for me at the beginning of my spiritual journey.

It is possible and I am. You wouldn't be dead, only your ego would be dead. You are your ego. I am not lying, I can prove it to you. My enlightenment does reach this level of consciousness. If you call me a liar, why won't you do it to my face?

You do not yet understand how psychedelics work. I am. I am not able to detect low and medium doses of 5-MeO-DMT at all, and a heavy dose is a 1-2 minute relaxation experience for me. Needless to say, it wasn't always the case. You should doubt yourself, you are not yet awake. Why are you hiding from me, my boy?

It's not tolerance, I experimented with tolerance, tolerance build up with LSD is massive, yes, but if you wait a couple of weeks, the tolerance is pretty much nil. I once spend the whole week eating 250ug in the morning, 250ug in the afternoon, and 250ug in the evening, and it was just an ordinary week. So I stopped doing it. Nevertheless, when I waited a couple of weeks, it started affecting me again. It was a few years ago. Only now it pretty much stopped affecting me permanently, even in very high doses.

Correct, Ram Dass was never enlightened. He only got to Sat-Chit-Ananda stage of becoming loving awareness after his stroke, not long before his death. It is not the final stage. But he was a tremendously successful and articulate messenger of enlightenment, and he was not without insight.

Yes, it quite often goes like this.

Hahaha, I wish it would happen, too, my friend, I'd love for it to happen! Unfortunately, people like @Leo Guraavoid engaging with an authentic master at all costs, the last thing his ego wants is to speak to me. I would love to speak with him on video, I'd love to speak him at any time! He will back out, not me.

I would like to issue a correction. Arhats would still be affected by psychedelics, only Buddhas aren't. The story of Ram Dass is true, but I have personally spoken to most people on your list, and I would be literally shocked if they weren't affected by 1,200ug of LSD. Daniel Ingram is an Arhat, yes, it was obvious to me when we spoke, but he is not a Buddha. We spoke two times on video, and he told me that if he's ever in Bay Area and has the time, he will give me a holler. I would love to spend some time with him in person. I am surprised to hear that you say he "confirmed" that LSD doesn't affect him. To the best of my knowledge, he never made such claim. Quite the opposite, he found my state very unusual, and he was very surprised that I am not affected even by such a massive dose. My understanding is that he is still experiencing cessations. I have experienced thousands of cessations, cessations are no longer possible to experience in complete enlightenment. But he has good insight, and he is wonderful. Frank Young and I are good friends. Actually, I was quite influential to Frank Young, I just asked him to keep it a secret. He read my stuff himself. He shares my stuff on his Instagram, for which I am very grateful to him, because it helps me grow my audience. He considers me to be "the clearest/purest teacher out there", and he is correct. I also met Michael Taft, spoke to him and visited his meditation session. Among these three, I would say Michael's insight is the shallowest. There's no chance in hell 1,200ug would not basically floor him. He certainly still has a lot of ego, without a doubt. He even failed to recognize me, his compassion isn't entirely authentic, it is contrived, he likes to create experiences in meditation (which is a bad form of practice) and claims that he "feels" energy from other people. None of that is possible in enlightenment. Not a single person cried in a one hour long meditation session I visited. This is nonsense - people cry in my meditation classes all the time. I also witnessed a student asking him a question and his response was dismissive and inadequate. I have never met nor spoken to Shinzen Young. Erhart Tolle, to the best of my knowledge, never made such claims. Adyashanti once told a story of taking 5 grams of mushrooms (roughly 200ug of LSD), and said something along the lines "nothing changed much". Adyashanti is very deeply realized, without a doubt, but 200ug is still not 1,200ug, and I would be surprised if such a dose would not affect Adya at all. I certainly see some traces of ignorance in Adya, but he is a very, very deeply realized teacher, and his teachings are one of the best out there. I wouldn't put him on par with Osho, no, Osho (just like myself, Mahariji etc) is in its own category, but he is pretty damn close. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

You can try to combine life and spiritual practice, yes. Most of my students do. It's going to be slower, and you probably won't extinguish all suffering without a period of solitude, but it's still possible, and can still bring tremendous results as far as your quality of life is concerned. One thing which is true though is that you will not avoid any emotional difficulty on the path, none whatsoever. So whatever is the scariest thing (emotionally and psychologically speaking, not physically speaking) you can imagine that can happen to you, will happen to you. The spiritual journey rips you completely naked. So it's just a matter of managing the emotional/psychological turmoil of the process whilst still maintaining your job and relationships, which isn't impossible, just much more difficult. But it's possible, yes.

Yes, nothing genetic. And with regards to THC, no, I didn't say "now", I said "there was a point in my spiritual journey when". So there was a point in the journey when all psychedelics became pretty much indistinguishable, and even a small dose of edible THC was like a full LSD trip.

All psychedelics work in similar manner. I am not special, there's nothing special about me. It's not about genetics.

It doesn't make them less conscious, it just shows him more of his unconsciousness. If he believes he is fully conscious, he is deluded.

No, the only person who's bullshitting hard here is you. Relax, mate, you sound offended. No, psychedelics stop working gradually as the insight matures. I never had a "rare mutation", they worked well, they worked like fireworks! I already explained it in one of my previous messages, but it looks like you didn't care to read. No, this is incorrect because enlightenment is not an idea. For as long as you have some idea about what enlightenment is or will be for you, you are not enlightened. It's quite possible that there's always a dose that will produce some experience (or simply put me to sleep, for example), but no, there is no dose that will change my daily experience of myself, "freak me out", "break me" in any way or something like that. No. All of that was before. Nonsense. I am very physically healthy and completely sane. My life is peaceful and filled with pleasure.

No, it doesn't. I have already explained in one of my previous messages that it wasn't always this way, and psychedelics used to affect me tremendously, hugely, just like they are affecting you right now. You probably haven't read it, and jumped to this conclusion because it hasn't yet been your experience. Psychedelics cannot be neither conscious nor unconscious, they are a chemical substance. What they do is make your unconscious conscious, that's what they do. They uncover your lies, that's why they are difficult. Every trip is a trip into your unconsciousness, so you become conscious of things you weren't conscious of before. That's why they stop working in enlightenment. The whole spiritual journey is basically making all your unconscious conscious. That's why they used to work very intensely, and then after I made the realization, they slowly, over the course of many years, have stopped working. Meditation does the same. You still have a lot of unconsciousness and you need serious guidance. I already offered you to speak to me, I am making myself available to you free of charge. If you don't want that, that's okay, it's your journey after all, not mine. But there's absolutely no reason for you to engage or argue with me over text, because a live conversation with me would be very, very different from how you imagine it. As I said in my previous message to you, all masters taught in person and people who have nothing to hide from themselves don't hide from each other either. All unconsciousness is hiding things from oneself, all unconsciousness is self-deception.

No, you don't understand how it works. Please continue your spiritual practice.

Yes. I confirm it with my experience. LSD (in reasonable quantities, we're not talking about kilograms here, every substance turns to poison in some quantity, even water) doesn't really affect an enlightened mind. Last time I did 1,300ug not much happened, even though there was some discomfort, but it didn't last very long and there were no distortion in my perception. If I did 300ug, I probably wouldn't even notice. The only correction here is that it wasn't Ramana, Ram Dass' teacher's name was Neem Karoli Baba, also known as "Mahariji". It's easy to confuse "Maharishi" with "Mahariji", but they were different people.

Of course I wasn't. No. The lack of "identification with the body mind" is not enlightenment, it's the very beginning of the spiritual path. It is actually a delusion. I've had a period like this, of course, but it wasn't enlightenment, not yet. Also, I would not want to endure pain just to prove my enlightenment to myself, I'm not an idiot, I have nothing to prove, so of course I'd take anesthesia if I had to have a surgery. I can't help but notice that you're pretty bad at this. You think you're insightful, don't you? No. I am not "spiritually developed", in fact, I am not spiritual at all. And insights are not memory, if you "remember" an insight, you don't have it. Insights are obvious truths which have always been true and are obviously true 24/7. You don't really know what you're talking about, because you haven't made any serious, lasting insights yet, you've had experiences and you carry memory about them. This has nothing to do with enlightenment. Not only Salvia will work this way for you ("erasing" your "memory" of your "spiritual progress"), but any psychedelic in a large enough dosage will also work the same way for you. You cannot induce a panic attack in me without actually trying to kill me or seriously harm me. And even then I'm not sure if I will feel fear or an adrenaline rush, a bodily response to a threat. They are very different, and they feel very differently. Fear is something you can experience while literally nothing is happening to you, in meditation, on psychedelic trips or on your favorite drug Salvia. Fear is about the future, and actually, the vast majority of it is about a distant future, not an immediate threat in your surroundings. If someone actually tried to kill you, you would also experience something else than what you call "fear". But if you're talking about physically manipulating a part of the brain, then it may be possible, sure. Of course I feel pain. And I never say stupid things like "I don't associate with it". Pain is pain. Pain is unpleasant, otherwise it wouldn't be pain. I only never feel psychological pain, which is anger, fear, hatred, jealousy, envy, despair and alike. Only my mind is completely pain-free, the body cannot be. I am not sure why they would scream or writhe. You are describing a reaction to physical pain or a physical threat, not a reaction to fear. I have experienced tremendous, extraordinary fear, it doesn't make you scream, it makes you curve in a ball and shake. If you scream and writhe on your Salvia trips, it's not because of fear, it's because you believe what you see. A direct stimulation of some brain region that generates fear (which is how I understand the crux of your mind experiment) will not produce hallucinations, it would just produce fear or a bodily response to a threat (adrenaline, elevated heart rate and breathing, tense muscles etc). I have no idea what those hypothetical "sages" would say, sages say a lot of silly things. If I felt fear, I'd say that I feel fear, what's the point to lie or speak about bliss? I don't experience bliss either, bliss is actually not the destination, all bliss is temporary because it's a relative experience. Enlightenment is not bliss, it's peace. And meditation is just rest. If you can't rest for a few hours without experiencing boredom, restlessness, intrusive thoughts or without having spiritual experiences or energy fluctuating through your body, if you can't rest for a few hours without any discomfort whatsoever, you are not at peace. It's very simple, really. Your mind goes into extremes right away, it's a natural tendency of the mind. But if you are warm, not hungry and comfortable, and yet there's some internal discomfort arising (of any nature) in a 3-hour meditation, you are not at peace. Get there first, then you'll speculate about how you will feel when a lion is trying to eat you. ? It's absurd to be speculating about extreme events when even simple rest is difficult for you.

No. This is not going to happen. There's a reason why you laugh, you just haven't gotten the joke yet. ? There's a reason why the mind loves to panic, too. ? This is true, but most people aren't enlightened. No, it wouldn't. Magic isn't real, correct, and there are no secret powers. Enlightenment isn't magic or secret powers, it's sanity. And a sane mind doesn't panic or gets freaked out while literally nothing is happening. A sick mind does that. A conditioned mind is scared of its own fantasies, that's why delirium, freaking out and other weird stuff. I've had a very significant number of delirious and terrifying experiences on psychedelics whilst my mind was still sick.

It is extraordinary to what far fetched conclusion your mind jumps to maintain an illusion of your superior spiritual knowledge. I have never said that I never had experiences with psychedelics, and neither have I said that I disapprove of them. I have had thousands of experiences with psychedelics, some tremendously beautiful and some tremendously fearful, some filled with tears, and some filled with rage and anger. I died thousands of times in psychedelic trips and I killed thousands of people in them also. I used psychedelics extensively in my spiritual journey, along with thousands of hours of meditation. I speak about responsible use of psychedelics extensively, and I recommend them to mature spiritual practitioners. I am actually a big proponent of using psychedelics on the spiritual path, for all the reasons stated above. No, they are the same. Every psychedelic is an entheogen, it's just a matter of dosage. Even cannabis, especially in edible form is an entheogen (if you eat enough). They all work similarly. At some point of my spiritual journey even a small dose of edible cannabis would produce a full-blown trip for me, indistinguishable from an LSD trip. They all work the same way, and they all eventually stop working in enlightenment. They are one and the same. The only way for a substance to be an entheogen without being a psychedelic is to be a poison. If a substance starts killing your brain, it will be an entheogen. If Salvia is physically safe, like all psychedelics are, it is a psychedelic. Ketamine is a psychedelic for sure. I've had thousands of mystical experiences on psychedelics until my whole life became a mystical experience for many years, and now it's very ordinary for me, so of course I know why. A completely enlightened mind isn't affected by psychedelics, psychedelics only affect the ego. That's why I'm pretty sure Salvia won't affect me unless it's literally poison and my body (not my ego) will begin to die. I frankly doubt it's the case. No, the only reason you think I hold this position is that your ego-mind loves jumping to conclusions. I've had thousands of legit psychedelic experiences. I don't, you extrapolate your fantasies about me to me. There is not a mind on the planet that wouldn't be affected by a serious dose of DMT. The only exception is an enlightened mind. I have nothing to search for, I am enlightened and I am always conscious. That's why psychedelics don't affect me. I don't. It's a great technology. The trick though is not becoming "more conscious instantly, but temporarily", the trick is to stay there and remain completely conscious permanently. That's enlightenment. And this requires a little bit more than what @Leo Gurais doing. What is really mind-blowing in your response is all the assumptions you have made about me. And not a single clarifying question. That's legit mind blowing.

A healthy mind doesn't dissociate and doesn't produce delirium, only the ego dissociates and produces delirium. No. I will not be psychologically affected by a bottle of vodka, alcohol does not affect me psychologically. I will only be physically affected. What you call "human self" I call "ego". Ego is very fragile and malleable, this is true. My mind is not fragile, I understand that yours is, but you don't get to speak for other people.

No. You haven't read my message carefully. My mind is not affected by psychedelics, so sober/not-sober is the same for me. Let's speak when LSD and DMT stop freaking you out.

Hello, @Leo Gura! I can take 1,200ug of LSD and remain perfectly conversational, walk and talk in a normal manner, and my awakening is completely ordinary to me. I will see no hallucinations, have no or very little insight, experience no fear, and even bodily I will feel pretty much the same. There might be some slight discomfort in the beginning, but not much, I will feel quite ordinary the whole time and in 2-3 hours or so the only side effect I will have is slightly dilated pupils. I cannot detect light and medium doses of 5-MeO-DMT at all, all I feel is the taste of it, and a heavy dose is a relaxation experience for me which lasts 2-3 minutes or so. It's the same thing with N,N-DMT - I barely experience anything, even on a relatively high dose, and the "trip", if we could even call it that, only lasts 2-3 minutes. I haven't tried Salvia, but I have no reason to believe that it will "terrify the shit out of me" - it's been a long time since I experienced fear with any psychedelics. I admire what you're doing, launching yourself into the spiritual journey with abandon, but you need guidance, my friend. I am very sorry to say but you have been spreading a lot of misinformation by generalizing your personal psychedelic experiences to everyone, and continually claiming higher states of consciousness than anyone else. From my perspective, you are not awake at all, and you have no wisdom to share (yet), even though your psychedelic experiences unquestionably brought you some insight. I see a lot of potential in you, most notably your determination. It is true that in order to become enlightened, one has to have a megalomaniacal level of determination, the desire to know Truth above all else, the willingness to leave it all behind. This is true, and you have it. But you are at the very beginning of your spiritual transformation, and are making all sorts of mistakes. You have a very strong ego, you desire to be seen as "the most awake human (alien?) of all time". You misunderstand and devalue a lot of authentic teachers, thus doing a disservice to humanity, given the size of your audience. Please shoot me a message and we'll talk. We can speak privately on video or you could even come visit me. Remember that all authentic masters taught in person, and people who have nothing to hide from themselves don't hide from each other either.