Emerald

One thing that I would say about all this is that the lines between Fascism and Conservatism have been deliberately blurred by the tactics of those in Fascist movements. So, you won’t find any hard lines. And that’s by design. And these lines will only get blurrier and blurrier as Fascism gains more of a foothold in the mainstream discourse. It creates a situation where you can’t name out Fascism as it’s happening without it sounding hyperbolic to most people. And it also makes it look like you’re demonizing average Conservatives. And yet, if you don’t call a spade a spade when it comes to Fascism, it can get really ugly. Most people don’t recognize Fascism when they see it. So, it’s a pickle.

This is exactly how I see it

Sorry about the putting my replies inside the box. I like to respond bit by bit. But it does get in the way of others responding to me. But what you’re saying now in the post above contradicts what you said before about her being like Margaret Thatcher. And Marianne does have a fiery spirit. If you were familiar with her, you would know that. Also, Democrats will all vote for her if she makes it to the general, even the ones that prefer Biden in the primary… and she’d energize independents and non-voters to come out to the polls.

You don’t know that what you experienced in astral was a reflection of truth. So, it’s unwise to frame it as such. 10,000 street preachers have shared their doomsday visions to no avail. And they got so many people up in a tizzy who believed them because they said it authoritatively.

Biden will probably win the Democratic nomination. But if Marianne bests Biden in the primary (and that’s definitely an ‘if’), I think she will have an equal or larger turnout compared to Biden in the general. And that’s because her winning the primary would indicate that she’s energized non-voters to come to the polls.

Yes. Many have called her Reagan in a dress.

Why Margaret Thatcher? ?‍♀️ Margaret Thatcher is basically the British female version of Ronald Reagan.

That’s pretty old news. But I understand what you’re saying. Americans can support stupid candidates. But Americans also supported Barrack Obama because of his progressive messaging about hope. And I think Marianne can drum up a similar type of support.

In case any U.S. citizens want to contribute to her campaign… https://secure.actblue.com/donate/marwilliamson2024

Don’t phrase this like you know it for sure. It’s irresponsible to share your vision this way.

Not necessarily so. You mostly do it through Populist messaging that people resonate with. In the 2016 election, Donald Trump ran his campaign on bringing back jobs and draining the swamp. He also threw some demagoguery in there to galvanize the racists in his base. But silly as it seems, probably 1/2 or more of 2016 Trump supporters voted for him because they saw him as an anti-establishment outsider that was going to come in and fix things. And in 2020, he lost because the Rust Belt went to Biden when he didn’t deliver on his promises and stopped the fake Populist messaging. Marianne could leverage her campaign similarly because she too is an outsider.

I honestly think she has a Bernie Sanders level of potential. Only time will tell though. There’s a small possibility that she could even best him at galvanizing his base and beyond because she understands at a deep level the way that optics, coalition building, and creating political movements work… while Bernie could be a bit strong headed about things like that for better and for worse. Like Bernie was easier to besmirch as a Communist because he was always talking about being a Democratic Socialist. And so, this was a huge bug-a-boo for a lot of the people I spoke to when canvassing for him. And I can see her do very well at painting a simple vision for the general constituency on the level that most can receive it.

She was saying in an interview that her goal in running for president is primarily to bring attention to issues and policy proposals that aren’t addressed in mainstream politics and to put them more inside the Overton Window. In a similar way to how Bernie’s presidential runs didn’t lead to victory. But now, so many more people are awake to things like single payer healthcare and the issues with money in politics. Basically, if she wins, she wins. And if she loses, she wins. And so does society at large.

I see it a bit like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly. It’s order-chaos-order again The caterpillar was like traditional conservative values. Stage Blue. Things had an order to them that people could understand and follow. And then the cocoon phase is the phase we’re in now. This is where the regenerative chaos comes in coupled with degenerative chaos. In the cocoon, the caterpillar totally deconstructs and dissolves into a chaotic primordial goo. This is what the individualistic nature of Stage Orange and the post-modern nature of Stage Green is meant to do to old traditions surrounding the pre-industrial agrarian ethos. It’s meant to deconstruct them and take them apart. And then, from the chaotic primordial goo, the butterfly starts to develop and gestate in Stage Green. And a new and more complex order emerges eventually from the cocoon… probably in later intonations of Green. But to hasten this process, those who have already oriented to the new order because of their own independent consciousness work practice, must find ways to help people who are in the primordial goo of chaos by giving them something ordered to move toward. Unfortunately, the only ones who are currently helping people out of the primordial goo of chaos are the ones who are advocating for us to go back to the caterpillar phase. This is Jordan Peterson in a nutshell. It’s why he’s so popular because he gives an antidote to chaos (unfortunately one that won’t work because you can’t resurrect the caterpillar from the goo). But we need to give people a vision for what the new order of the butterfly looks like.

Yes, I agree with all that. My point is that it wouldn’t necessarily explain the discrepancy between liberal girls and other demographics as it pertains to depression. My thought is that Tik Tok and social media use would be equivalent across teen demographics

That’s a possibility too

Lots of that toward anyone deemed as an other. Once, my then-boyfriend took me to go visit one of his work friends Tim at Tim’s home. And Tim lived with his brother and had brought him a plate of food from the Golden Corral (which is where Tim and my bf worked). And within 30 seconds of meeting Tim’s brother, he started eating the food (chicken and mashed potatoes) with zero manners… like a wild animal. And as he was shoveling down food while it was getting all over his hands and face, and he began going on a huge tirade (with food in his mouth) about how black people are monkeys that behave like wild animals. Total projection and scapegoating. And black people in particular were an absolute obsession for him. I think it was then that I realized that racism is a psychological hang up more than it is a moral deficiency because I had only over met casual racists before that.

I was raised in a small rural redneck town in Central Florida where most people live in trailers… including myself as a teenager. And I was always the lone liberal swimming in a sea of red. About 25% or more of the people in my hometown have the Rebel flag somewhere in or on their house. And so, my experiences with Conservatives is that they’re equally unachored and that there’s just as much moral decay in their homes. Things I’ve witnessed from Conservative people when I was a teen… - Flossing teeth with the metal from cigarette packs so that they’ll have dental problems and the dentist will prescribe opiates - A family of 3 living in a single wife trailer with 4 pit bulls - Three 10 year old neighbor boys smoking a gravity bong right out in public - Several drug overdoses from misusing prescription medication - Lots of adults in their 30s in relationships with teens who were my age So, my personal experience with Conservatives is that they had more moralizations but fewer moral standards for themselves.

@mr_engineer Almost 100% right. ^ The only thing I disagree with is the need to repress our secondary energy. Our goal is to drop our repressions and realize our wholeness by not holding too tightly to identities associated with Masculine or Feminine. But otherwise, this is right on the money.

What I’m saying is that these things would all affect teens equally across gender and political preference lines. So, it doesn’t account for more liberal girls to have the highest depression rates, because they probably consume Tik Tok at similar rates to boys and conservatives.