Emerald

Notice in your post how you’re trying to justify your behavior. But whatever you did is not justified. She just wasn’t interested. And you applied all kinds of other meanings onto that. And you got mad at the noise inside your head and took it out on her. In fact, if the woman was initially interested, she probably lost interest because you have this tendency to lash out. It’s easy to sense it on a man. My recommendation is to bring this up with your therapist and discontinue meeting women until you’re no longer dangerous to them.

I definitely still get triggered by it for sure, because it upsets me to be misrepresented and misunderstood more than anything. It just makes me want to tear my hair out to be disbelieved about my own experiences. I'm pretty numb to most types of misogyny, but that one just really irks me and I feel like coming in and kicking ass and taking names. But yes, it's honestly coming from tons of self-worth issues. All misogyny really does come from that. In fact, you can probably guess that the majority of men who are drawn to pick are doing so out of some perceived sense of lacking value and being unlovable. But men and women's survival drives are deeply intertwined. It's part of nature's design. We're meant to fit together. It's designed symbiotically for a win-win. It's just that men who feel insecure will want a win-lose situation with women on the losing end, because they want control. And they will justify their desire for a win-lose by thinking women are looking for a win-lose. And they frame it all as some cut-throat zero-sum game. But in reality, women's desire is usually very pro-social and pro-love. So, it creates more of a win-win situation. But men's baser desire to seek lots of sex is pretty anti-social and creates a lose-win scenario. Basically, there's a reason why relationship is considered part of the feminine principle. And that's because the feminine is oriented toward love, relationships, motherhood, community building, and socializing in general. So, when you get men trying to control the narrative around relationships to choke out the feminine nature of it. And then if women who don't challenge that narrative, you get shittier relationships all around.

Thank you! Though I would say that the fish catching analogy is only applicable for player kind of guys. The men who want to serve only their own agenda and devour the woman without giving her anything in return. This is the relationship of the fishermen to the fish. So, I won't help a fisherman catch a fish because I am a fish and I don't want to see other fish be exploited, devoured, and used. And you won't find me biting on any hooks. But I will help fishermen realize that fish don't like being fished. And they will argue that fish really love it. And I'll say, actually no we don't. And it is my goal to help clear up distortions around female sexuality. Women really do generally want to be "caught" by a man. We just don't want to be caught in the losing side of a lose-win scenario. We want a win-win scenario where the guy is actually looking for love just as much as we are. So, I'm quite happy to help with that. And I'm also not totally against helping a guy who's struggling with meeting women get to a point of proficiency with that. Pick up can be useful that way.

Exactly. You can find men who are genuinely interested in you as a person. You don't have to settle for men who are just looking for any and all women that will have them.

Exactly. But I do know why they're arguing with me so vehemently. In all people, there is a desire for love... even underneath the deepest bigotry, hatred, and bitterness. And they perceive my survival agenda as something that is out of their control, which is the entire reason why men learn pick-up in the first place... to get some semblance of control over getting a woman to love them. And then, they repress their loving drives because that feels unsafe to them because sex is possible to game... while love is truly not. So, they only remain conscious of their drives for sexual variety and forget that they also have a drive that seeks love. The latter drive makes them feel too vulnerable and powerless. So, it gets rejected, repressed, forgotten, and denied. And sex becomes the only means of getting that loving communion they seek. So, they become obsessive about it and feel like they need it right away because sex and love become the same for them. So, when a woman tells the truth about her survival agenda and it doesn't match what they've learned about women and what's worked for them sexually, they feel out of control and insecure as it reminds them that they are still in the same position relative to getting love from a woman... which is not a bad position to be in, but it feels that way to men with self-esteem issues. And then because I share this uncomfortable truth of my reality, I become a projection screen for all their desires to get a woman to love and accept them. And I am mirroring to them that their strategies are making them lower value in my eyes (and most women's eyes, tbh) instead of making them higher value in my eyes and most women's eyes. This is why those guys are trying to argue me out of it because on some level they feel like I'm rejecting them and women as a whole are rejecting them, even though I am just being very clear about what I won't accept in men in general. And they are trying really hard to maintain the view of women's sexuality that helps them feel more in control and safer from their feelings of low self-esteem. But you're right. It really isn't a conscious strategy on my part either. I'm just sharing what's true for me and what's worked well for me, so that other women can adopt these mindsets. My intuition does this sorting for me naturally because I've had enough experience to know what I want and what I don't want. And I can also tell the difference between a man wanting me in particular and wanting sex in general. It's really easy to spot as there are tons of red flags and green flags that can be noticed. And I don't give any time or energy to what I don't want because I have no sense of scarcity. And I also don't experience wanting a relationship without wanting the person first. So, I'm not itching to be with someone if they're not THE someone that I want. It would be much harder if I really felt like I needed a relationship because then I would be scrounging for whoever I could get. But I am very much of the disposition that I'd rather seek a beautiful experience or simply go without. I don't feel the need to find something lukewarm just to fill a space in my life.

It is me defending my survival bias, for sure. That's the whole point. And notice how all the guys on the thread tried to argue me out of it having those survival biases. And notice how many men on the thread tried to deny that this is my survival bias. So many of the guys on here just can't accept it because they want to feel like they're more in control of women's desires. So, they cling to their understandings learned from pick up. But most women don't want a guy like this because he is antithetical to women's survival bias. Mind you, I never tried to argue any men out of their survival bias. I understand that men are oriented towards sexual variety and I have no issue with that. But I'm just saying that a man who selfishly pursues his survival bias at my expense will be sorted before he gets the chance. Men who are only interested in sex are really easy to spot and sort. And men who are looking for something deeper, even though these are rarer men, they create a win-win scenario between my needs and their needs. So, it is in alignment with my survival agenda to find a guy like this, as opposed to settling for some guy who's looking just for random sex like a few of the male posters on here are. And I recommend for all women to sort the same way, just because it's good strategy for finding a fulfilling relationship.

These are also very important parts of building a relationship. But to hold out for a man you can have this dynamic with, you have to remember that "You are the prize". Otherwise, you will end up not being selective enough and then end up with a guy who doesn't value you and you settle for less than you want and need in a relationship. This is a mindset that's very useful for women to remember their worth at the beginning so they don't end up putting the man up on a pedestal. Note, that what I've given is a list of strategies for women who want to attract a good man. So, these are specifically strategies to be employed. But if you look at my post, I also have many softer recommendations, like letting your intuition lead. This is why I recommend having a guy as part of your wider social circle before getting involved in him. And also making sure that you already have your feelings and intuition attuned to him prior to having a romantic turn. And in the meantime, you'll have to repel and sort other guys who are wrong for you, and not settle for anything less than what you want. Then, if you happen to get with this man who you are wanting to have a relationship to, it's very important to remember that he is the one courting you and not the other way around. Once those strong feelings arise, it can be easy to make him the prize and forget that you are the prize. So, I recommend maintaining that orientation until a relationship is established because that's just the most effective way to do the mating dance from a female perspective. This will come naturally if a woman recognizes her value and is selective about who she gives her time and energy to.

Oh that isn't it. I love sex! It's one of my favorite things about being human. It just isn't stimulating without certain emotions present. And I'm not interested in sleeping with a man before I hit my boiling point. You see men tend to love sex like Shaggy and Scooby love food. They'll pile anchovies on top of ice cream on top of pizza and just shove it in their mouth. They will eat anything and be in heaven about it. They have pretty low standards. If food is there, you can bet they want to eat it. But women tend to love sex the way Gordon Ramsey loves food. And Gordon Ramsey has very very high standards for what he eats. And he's the type of person who would rather go hungry than eat a bad meal. You can tell that Gordon Ramsey lives for food. But you'll also be wise to recognize that Shaggy and Scooby will be much happier to eat at Gordon Ramsey's restaurant than Gordon Ramsey will be to eat a Shaggy and Scooby's restaurant. So, I love sex. But I need for certain emotions to be present for that experience to be enjoyable. It's a little bit like, as a man if you tried to have sex without having a boner. It's not going to be enjoyable to you because the proper conditions are not in place. It's just that women's version of getting a boner is more heart-based and takes a longer time to be aroused. Also, if a man has this abundance and he's more focused on sex than on me in particular, he can move on from me. I have no ego in that. That's about him and his preferences. I know I'm not for everyone. So, any man who sorts me out as a prospect is doing me a favor because he is leaving room for a man who is more compatible with me and who will be invested in me enough to wait for me to come to a boil.

I would tend to be attracted to men who are emotionally intelligent and caring, who are authentic and not very hung up on sex. Just to give some celebrity examples, I would be interested in the type of guy who has a vibe like Steve Irwin or Bob Ross or someone like that. Or like a Rupert Spira of Adyashanti type of guy. Or like Cornel West or something. Basically, someone who's kind and smart and driven toward the positive things they want in the world. I mean honestly, I would be so proud to be the partner of any one of these men. And you have to screen out the assholes if you want one of these kind of men.

It isn't a game. It's a strategy for avoiding bad relationships. Once you're in the relationship, you don't have to screen so hard. That's when you can show the man what's raw, true, magical, and blissful. But if you're in the attraction phase, I recommend screening very strictly based on your intuition and your boundaries. And the mindset "I am the prize" helps you do this. Otherwise, women tend to get too attached and will treat the man as though he is by trying to impress and court him. And this doesn't work in the courtship process. The more equal dynamic you're talking about is more like a healthy relationship that's already been established.

You see, it isn't really selfish because it sets up a win-win situation. It's not like anyone loses in that scenario. The men I'm not interested in win because they can move on to find someone who is interested or to continue doing pick up. So, I don't waste any of their time. The man I'm interested who reciprocates wins because my choices have led to the relationship he wants. And I win because I get the relationship that I want with a man who I'm really attracted to who really cliques with me, loves me, and values me. I look to repel who I don't want to leave room for who I do want.

I'm sorry. If a guy is super focused only on how quickly he gets sex, then he's a low quality guy. And a woman would be wise to sort him. If a man isn't willing to get to know me first, then this tells me everything that I need to know about his character. Mind you, the type of men that I find high quality, wouldn't even register on your radar as a high quality man. And the type of man you believe is high quality, would be low quality in my book.

I'm sorry. That's just a part of the mating dance. A lot of women get wrapped up in their feelings for a man and forget that they're the prize, and they end up chasing after a man as though he is. And this murders the attraction dynamics, for one. It also opens the doors for a woman to accept a man who is bad for her. This is why adopting the "I am the prize" mindset can be really helpful for keeping that in check. But of course, once a relationship is established, you don't need to lead with that. But it's still good to keep in mind to keep the spark alive.

Don't worry, all of this happens silently for most women. There is no need to make a man feel rejected, especially if he's a well-meaning guy. Now, if he's misogynistic, I'm going to let him know how quickly most women will sort him on the basis of being low value. It's just that women's sexuality is very selective if she's in touch with her intuition. So, it might seem scary to be sorted this way... But understand that, when a woman really falls for you, it's meaningful to her.

And that's fine. I like it when incompatible men sort themselves. My job as a selector is not attracting. There's not problem there. I am not dealing with any sense of scarcity of male attraction. Male attraction is very abundant. My job as a selector is sorting the wheat from the chaff.

The keyword here is "most" men. I'm not looking for "most" men. Most men are very low quality prospects for a relationship. Also, I have been this way since I was about 15 or 16. I started to notice, once I got more dating experience in middle school and high school, that it really did take me a couple months or so to get strong feelings. And I was very selective once that started to happen. I caught wise early to the player type of guys because of earlier experiences, and I naturally could sniff it out and avoid it. Plus, I really wanted to save my virginity for someone I love who I was in a relationship with, which I did. I had been spending so many months with him before the relationship started. But I said that I wanted to wait for 3 months into the relationship to have sex. And he was so respectful of that. I wanted to sleep with him in a week because I knew I wanted to lose it to him. But he made me wait a month because he didn't want me to go back on my boundary. So, I developed strong boundaries way back then. So, even in the prime of fertility, this was still true of me. And though I did have several hook-ups when I was single in my early 20s, it still was pretty uninteresting. Definitely nothing to write home about. But i understand that I have a smaller pool of interested men now that I'm 32 compared to when I was 20. But a lot of that interest that I had in my early 20s was very low-quality interest. Lots of spam guys who are just looking for somewhere young to put their dicks. For a man who's geared towards a relationship (and not just some pick up guy who's looking to bang lots of hot women), he will likely be looking for a woman around his age. The average age difference in couples is about 2 years. So, this is really the type of man that I'm looking for. And this is why pick up artists need not apply.

It isn't manipulation, it's just being really clear and honest about what you do and don't want. It's boundary setting. And you may believe that these more general understandings of gender are made up, but my experience has not bore that out. Women who get the best results are patient and who communicate self-respect and clear boundaries.

And that's why I recommend being very clear about your boundaries as a woman and avoiding men who start on a sexual note. It helps to sort the low quality men who have your mindset, as men with this mindset will sort themselves if you have boundaries and self-respect. Don't give in to some lukewarm sexual desire for some guy until you really know his character and if you're compatible with him. And never sleep with a man you don't feel would be a good husband or father... even if you don't plan to get married or have kids. It's a good rule of thumb. There are tons of low value men out there who will ditch you as soon as you sleep with them or treat you like nothing. This is case in point for why my recommendation is to develop a platonic relationship to a man prior to getting involved with him sexually. Have a dynamic social circle and let your feelings lead you to a higher quality man with more humanizing views of women.

It isn't about withholding sex. I recommend a woman follow her intuition when it comes to sex. And I personally need about 3 months to develop the feelings for a man to make sex feel loving and gratifying to me. And that only applies to just one guy at a time. I need to have deep feelings for one man in particular to be really compelled towards merging with him in the sacred dance. So, there's absolutely no reason for me to seek a sexual relationship to a man who I feel lukewarm about. There's no reason to go looking for random sex if it's not gratifying. Also, it's not manipulation. I'm not being dishonest... in fact, I'm being VERY honest and straightforward about what I want and what I don't want. And I'm not trying to control anyone's behaviors by saying what I don't want. I'm just making my boundaries crystal clear. And it truly means less than nothing to me for a man to compromise his own values and boundaries for me. If they don't like my sexual boundaries, then they can and should go and find someone else who is more compatible with what they do want. I appreciate it when the wrong men for me sort themselves from consideration. So, it's really just about setting boundaries, so that you have the quality of experience that you want to have. And it's a win-win for the man too. Men will tell you that what they want is easy sex... but that's only partially true for most men. What they really want at a deeper level is to feel like they (and they alone) have "won a woman's heart". And you rob him of that opportunity if you compromise your boundaries for him. And if a man isn't willing to respect my boundaries or he has an issue with them and pushes for sex before I'm ripe for it, then I'm not going to compromise for him. There are plenty of men out there that would cross land and sea and fight wild lions just to get a chance to love me. So, why would I settle for someone who rushes me and is ready to dip at the first sign of challenge. Also, trust me on this one... giving a man a "piece of pussy" is not a way to keep a man around... unless that man feels such a sense of scarcity that he's afraid he won't get sex from any other woman. The only reason a man stays around is if he really loves you. That's it. And if he loves you and he's a good man, he will rise to the occasion for you.

No, I'm just giving advice to women who leave a lot of their power off the table in interactions with men.

That's incorrect. Women are the selectors, not men. Women don't have to prove anything as that is not the job of the selector. In fact, if a woman is trying to prove herself worthy of a man's love, she's already lost because she's shifted into her masculine and the man has shifted into his feminine. And polarity flipped relationships really don't feel good to women. The egg does not chase the sperm. The egg doesn't need to prove herself worthy of the sperm. It is the sperm that must prove himself worthy of the egg. It is the man who must prove himself worthy of the love, affection, and sex of the woman through the courtship process. This is why a woman is wise to vet out how much the man is invested in her (and she him) before things turn sexual. And if a man is not interested in a relationship, he becomes unimportant. It's best to move on before you get invested. You can't turn a player into a husband. Just don't even try. And if a man requires sex before relationship, then that's equally a red flag. It shows that he's not invested in you in particular and that he lacks the virtue of patience. And you don't want to be in a relationship with a guy like that.

Now, one of my main gripes about pick-up (though I do understand why it exists), is that it presents an inaccurate view of female sexuality while simultaneously being thoroughly convinced that it's got an accurate view to where puas advocate not listening to women at all about their desires. And it's a shame because women really need to feel seen and understood to feel intimacy and satisfaction in a relationship with a man. And being with a man who won't/can't give you that from the female perspective, is as boring and dry as being with a woman who never even touches your penis from the male perspective. And many men find this inaccurate understanding of female sexuality useful for their purposes of having sex and getting dates because it's a numbers game and eventually you'll have some success if you just approach. So, it is a bit of a magic feather and a user friendly distortion... at least user friendly for pick up. So, the inaccurate understanding of female sexuality that pick up artists usually have works up until a point for their own purposes. But there is usually little curiosity otherwise, which is boring. So, this is the metaphor that came to mind. I recall when I was in early elementary school, I was taught about subtraction. And we were taught to always subtract the small number from the big number. And this advice worked well for the time. I really got the technique. It got the job done. But I only understood the pattern and not the actual concept. I knew what worked, but I didn't really know why it worked until I developed a broader understanding that included the existence of negative numbers. This is how I see pick-up. There are things that work in it. But most men misattribute or don't know why these things work. And that understanding of the patterns but not the causes behind the patterns, ends up very "meh" for women when it comes to intimacy... which is the main thing that motivates most of us to want sex in the first place.