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I find that to be very true. And it's the unawareness of the emotional/bodily reactions that our mind automatically triggers thoughts. Then, we lose sight of the body emotions and bypass them because we get distracted by the mind.

My advice is to make it clear that you're attracted to him without actually telling him verbatim. Give him little subtle invites. Like if a guy was too afraid to make the first move but I suspected he liked me I'd say something to him like, "Oh you're such a gentleman... you should really quit that." This shouldn't be out of nowhere but should fit with the conversation and be very good natured. Also, you can touch him in playful but platonic ways. When you see him, sneak up behind him and put your hands over his eyes. Give him a hug when you part ways. Ask him what he's thinking about. Little hints like this will give him a clearer message. If he still doesn't approach but seems interested, you can always ask him out too.

I can relate to this so much that it hurts. I know what to do, and yet I don't seem to want to do it. Basically, you have to train yourself to become aware of being sucked into thoughts whenever it's happening, and then force yourself to cut off the internal conversation. It will keep coming back again and again, and you just have to create a practice of letting go and not getting sucked into the mental chatter. So, it's a matter of practicing and not falling into your old patterns through cultivating awareness and not being lazy. It's like cultivating "letting go" muscles. It's like an annoying person who won't leave you alone and keeps trying to spark up all kinds of conversations with you. You just have to stop talking to that person and ignore them and walk away. Talking to them strengthens their ability to drag you into conversation. You can practice this in meditation but you'll want to do this throughout the entire day to truly let go of this tendency.

Ultimately, you don't have to care what others think about you or how your success makes them feel. But you also have to understand that it can make people feel bad, due to their own self-judgments. Most people are incapable of self-love due to their conditioning. So, through no fault of your own, your successes will trigger other's suffering. But I think it's very important to try to lift others up as much as possible, especially since they are not separate from you. Don't make the assumption that their feelings are irrelevant to you. The sense of internal and external is false, so all of your internal and external experiences inform one another. Sickness inside equals sickness outside. Sickness outside equal sickness inside. The same situation applies to wellness as well. If you want to minimize this effect of making others feel negative and actually make others feel better, you can avoid talking about your successes in front of them. You can also give them genuine compliments that lift their spirits and inspire them. Most people really need this type of reinforcement and reassurance. Definitely, look upon them without a sense of superiority and judgment, because they may be picking up on any superior feelings that you have or any subtle compulsion to dominate others through your personal prowess. And ultimately, you want to realize that your life path isn't any better than theirs in the long run. It may be healthier, but there is no true better or worse in the long run. A healthy life and an unhealthy life are equal in value. You can never make yourself or your life more valuable than anyone else. Another thing to keep in mind is that you may (or may not) be attracting this to yourself in life because you actually want it. If you have an inferiority/superiority complex, where you feel best when you have others to compare yourself to that you perform better than. It will give you many opportunities to compare yourself and feel better about yourself through affirming your superiority. I don't know if this is true of you, but it's definitely a psychological pattern to be aware of. This tends to be an unconscious thought pattern that people can easily lie to themselves about.

This is an excellent metaphor. I have always been seeking knowledge with intense curiosity, for my entire life. It was only during my ego-transcendence experiences, that I had absolutely zero craving for knowledge. I didn't need to learn anything at all. I already knew everything that I needed to know in the form of access to infinite wisdom. But I had no desire to hoard or rifle through that wisdom either. I was content in simply using wherever it was needed and leaving the rest. But I suspect it is, in part, my knowledge seeking that has lead me to be able to experience transcendence in the first place. I recognized that transcendence was always what I was seeking in my knowledge seeking pursuits, despite not knowing that I was seeking it. So, @How to be wise , this is how I would answer your question. If you are intuitively drawn to seek knowledge, then seek it with utmost intensity. But if you find that you are using knowledge just to fill your mindspace with more knowledge and you don't feel a sense of expansion from it, then you know that it's time to let go of knowledge seeking and simply spend time being. You will know when you're using knowledge to avoid being because it will feel like you're straining yourself and will feel drained afterward. But if you're still in the knowledge seeking phase and that's where you're supposed, you will feel very passionately drawn to it and it will feel expansive. It's because your knowledge is helping you let go of the mental limits you set for yourself. This process is more about using knowledge to subtract knowledge and create space in the mind, like in the thorn metaphor. Then, once you've cleared space in the mind, you can then just be and observe reality for what it is much more easily.

I agree with this. That's really my main point. You can know what works as a man in the dating game, but hearing WHY it works is also very important for those seeking a longterm relationship. And you'll want to have a neutral woman's perspective for this with a high degree of self-awareness... though don't ask the girl you like. This is especially true for the type of partner you want to attract and for which purposes. I can tell you what turns me off really easily, and if I perceive a guy to be manipulative or outright trying to make me feel bad, I will lose attraction. It's happened to me many times before. I just lose interest. Some women are attracted to that though. But these women tend to be very neurotic and get into mutually toxic relationships.

I've had sleep paralysis and OBEs for almost 15 years. I made several videos on the topic along with lucid dreaming. You can also ask me specific questions too.

Thank you for this. I had heard Eckhart Tolle talk about the Pain Body in passing after watching a handful of his videos. And I have known to focus my awareness on pain. But this video makes it clear why I tend to be attracted to negative things and things that are going to ruffle my feathers. I find that I'm always looking to distract myself in things that irk or salt old wounds. And then I find myself getting a bit passive aggressive at times in response.

@Snick @Joseph Maynor This song always reminds me of that time and my foolishness...

Unless your 'dysfunction' is something of a chemical based or brain structural based disorder, like Schizophrenia, you will be able to let go of it because it's not really real, even though it seems real and has real consequences for your life. And even if you do suffer from a disorder like this, you can still let go of any psychological baggage that you've picked up through the circumstances of your life. It's just that you have to really dig into the emotions and mindsets that keep the dysfunctions and feelings of inadequacy in place. The best case scenario would be to drop the illusion of the self as it will make it clear that the problems with the self are actually illusions. But Shadow work and other integrative processes can help too. But I would try to remain single until you really work on yourself if you feel like your psychological state would lead you into a dysfunctional relationship. So, you want to first cultivate strong boundaries, assertiveness, a sense of self sufficiency and self respect, and to let go of the need for a relationship. After you feel like you've gotten these traits to about an average level, dating and relationships will likely be a much more pleasant experience instead of something that weighs you down. But the thing is that you have to really want it first. If your sense of 'dysfunction' is serving you in some way that you're not yet aware of, then it will be a difficult thing to let go of. So, if your sense of dysfunction helps you avoid some kind of emotional discomfort, then you have to be willing to face that emotional discomfort head on and take complete ownership of it.

That's true too. But even the wealthy need filters. I was even trying to break down certain safety boundaries which was another type of filter that everyone needs. Even if you realize that all is one... you still can't walk into a lion's den.

Thanks. People thought I was totally crazy when I came to that conclusion and began acting that way. No one knew where I was coming from, and just saw me as very looney. The issue was that I had accessed some 'higher' wisdom before I was spiritually mature enough to handle it. I didn't realize that what's true and what's helpful are two totally different things. Truth undoes reality, so it almost always works against practical functioning if you try to apply higher wisdom where more practical wisdoms are more appropriate. And wisdom remembered through memory and the lens of logic is no longer wisdom. Wisdom changes moment to moment like a river.

But why did you respond to my comment to Electrobeam, if you didn't want to continue talking to me? It's because you want to be my best friend, isn't it? But you have a good night.

That's true. Which is why I recommended avoiding using any negative emotion inducing pick up techniques when searching for a long-term relationship. Don't get caught up in the scarcity mindset. Healthy women do exist, and you will be able to find some of them that are attracted to you as long as you yourself are psychologically healthy and stable. There are many dysfunctional people in society but you can always find someone who isn't dysfunctional. And you're better off being alone than with a dysfunctional person... especially if your goal is to self-actualize. Solitude is a lot more friendly. I do understand that you have some experience with dating women and attracting women, and I'm not trying to take any progress away from you. I'm sure that you know how to do the attraction and initial part just fine. But this is only the very beginning of things. I'm not really talking about the attraction part (as in your make-up example)... I'm talking about the later consequences of who you attract. Make-up attracts a variety of men: healthy and unhealthy. So, men being attracted to a woman who wears make-up won't tell you much about his character. You have to use other ways to find out. Negative emotions only attract a certain type of women who are very unhealthy, and will eventually cause strain on your life if it turns serious. The attraction based on negative emotions, in itself, is the litmus test. I have also spent almost twelve years of my life (between two different partners) in committed relationships where we lived together. And if you haven't co-habitated with a dysfunctional partner and been in a serious relationship for more than six months, then you have no idea how dark and depressing your life can get simply because of your choice in partners. Anyone who has been in an unhealthy relationship will tell you this. What I've found is that you can only ever be as happy as your partner is. And if your partner is chronically negative or having issues, then you will not be able to be happy. It's like being in prison. And if your partner is unstable, then you will be unstable. But you do have to attract a girl first. So, you want to make sure that the girl you attract is psychologically healthy and stable. And women who respond with attraction to negativity are usually the opposite. Feel okay with having high standards in this way. Remember you don't need a relationship, you want a relationship. And if you want sweetness in your relationship, avoid attracting women through negging or making them feel negative in some way. As you become more psychologically healthy, women who mirror your tendencies will be more attracted to you. But I understand that you're in a relationship, so I hope that works out well.

I understand your thought, and it's not all wrong. First off, definitely don't ask the woman you're attracted to what she's attracted to. That messes up the dynamic and makes things awkward. But on a more relevant note, it is true that you may understand from the outside what works in the field better than a woman who has never examined her internal reactions very much. And many women haven't. But as a woman who is about a decade older than you, who has done a lot of introspection, I can tell you that different pick up techniques work for different reasons on different types of people. So, you, as a man, can definitely know what works. But I know what works and why it works. And the WHY is very important if you're looking for a long-term relationship like the creator of this thread. Creating negative emotions in a woman will send a sane woman who has high self-esteem in the opposite direction. She will recognize the manipulation tactic of purposefully negging her and determine that the man is not worth her time. This woman knows that she'll get whatever she's willing to accept. But a woman with a lot of self-esteem issues will be even more attracted to you because she will be driven to prove her worth to you and seek your approval. This might seem like a positive thing from a pick-up perspective, and it does make for an easy one-night-stand. But for a long term relationship, you will be getting yourself into a very negative situation with an emotionally vampiric person. So, since Jordan Wang is 18 years old with a lot of life ahead of him, my advice is to avoid that tactic to avoid getting into a commitment with this type of person.

That's true. It's an ego thing. Your comments were needlessly rude to me, so I'm messing with you a bit and busting your chops. It's not about your disagreement. I would have left you alone and/or leveled with you and added to your perspective. But I am also still trying to help you because I see a person who's boxed into a bad place. Even though you got on my nerves earlier and agitated some of my own wounds, I know that you're likely suffering a lot more because of the quickness with which you were triggered and lashed out at my first post to you like a dog with a thorn in its paw who is protective of its wound. But my post honestly was in good spirits and not antagonistic to you at all. I was just trying to convey some nuance to the topic that many men may miss. The PUA techniques work but work for different reasons. And the reason why creating negative emotions works is because you're picking up a woman with issues. It's not a trait of a psychologically healthy woman. So, I was a tad surprised by the lashing out and misogynistic response. Guys on here are usually very respectful to me even if they have had issues with women or disagree with me. It is my goal for my life to help others navigate their way out of suffering. But I am still identified as an ego, so I get hung up on my identifications and I'm very stubborn. But I'm trying to be better, and like I said before, it's all I really know how to do at this point. It's not a conscious choice of mine to not be enlightened, so all I can do at this point is share my observations. But if a person is rude to me for no good reason, then I may tend to get a little passive aggressive and take a few jabs at them or get into pissing contests with them. But I'm experimenting with the thought that the way out of the childish behavior is through it. That said, I still think that my advice is still good advice to listen to... if you want to attract a psychologically healthy woman for a long term relationship (like Jordan Wang seemed to be) and if you want to avoid mixing up words and seeming inexperienced with sex.

The other stuff shouldn't be forced though or used to manipulate the man. It shouldn't feel like you're playing a game on him, but moreso playing around with one another as a mutual thing. That's why I said that it's like a dance. It's a form of expression where you both should be participating enthusiastically and know exactly what's going on even if it's never spoken. And it should come pretty naturally, and is very exciting if you enjoy romance and anticipation, as I imagine that most women do. Authenticity is number one. But romance and authenticity are not anti-thetical. And because you're trying to attract a guy (on the sole basis that you like him as a person and that he's special to you) by learning how not to screw up the mating dance by coming on too strong (it's a common mistake that infatuated women tend to make), it is not really like pick-up artistry which tends to be focused toward getting good with women in general. Pick up only sometimes rubs me the wrong way because it makes the women in the situation inter-changable which can put salt on some old wounds of mine. So, it can give a feeling of manipulation and objectification like my humanity means nothing to men. But I try to keep in mind that the lower nature doesn't care about higher principles like humanity. As I said, the inner beast simply wants what it wants and the conscious mind has no say. And this is true of all people. So, it's not really personal. But PUA objectively isn't very much like my advice because it mostly isn't about personal relationship, but about developing a skillset by gaming with many women's sexuality. My advice is specifically geared toward developing a personal relationship with a specific person and has nothing to do with getting good with guys in general. Otherwise, pick-up is fine with me. I think it's actually a good idea for men to learn some of it. I'm glad my husband had studied into some of it because he totally nailed the first date. And I was glad to participate in the romance. It's a beautiful dynamic, really. I'm lucky to have experienced it twice in my life. But ultimately, this is just how I noticed that it works. Everyone is different and not everyone likes romance. It's my perception that many men don't really understand it that much. And a lot of it's very old fashioned, so it can seem very sexist and heteronormative to some people. Sometimes people like a very straightforward approach with no mating dance. Some people like to just have someone come up to them and say "Hey your cute. I like you." But I find that less interesting as it kills the romance aspect. So, many men may not enjoy or understand the way that feminine attraction works the way it works because it tends to be exclusionary and intuitively driven. But it is true that it often works that way. That's why it's in those women's magazines in the first place. But again, that's just the lower nature. It's the inner cavewoman. After the first few months, it's much less important. After that point, the relationship will naturally take on new, deeper, more comfortable, and less intense intonations, and the initial stuff will only be a very exciting memory. But as it's going on... it's an amazing experience.

Yeah. He was a strange character. He was 19 at the time too. So, it was totally illegal each way you sliced it, since she (like myself) was 14. But I lived in such a bizzarro world (trailer town, Florida) when I was a teenager that abnormal honestly seemed more normal than normal. I was really well-adjusted to that world. There are things that I totally put up with (and even advocated for) as a teenager and thought were normal that I recognize are pretty messed up now. Relative to others in my circle of people, Mike was relatively normative and was a pretty nice guy. I really don't think he realized that what he was doing was messed up. He genuinely didn't see that he was doing anything wrong. Plus, he was a kleptomaniac in general, so you always had to expect something to go missing when he was around. It just so happened to be panties that time.

What I'm saying is that some people do actually steal ladies' underwear still. It happened to my stepsister when we were 14. One of our (admittedly very strange) male friends (named Mike no less... hmm), who she actually ended up dating later, snuck into her room and took them from her when he was visiting. I remember us laughing about it back then. It really does happen. We didn't really see it as messed up back then though. But we joked about him being a "panty raider" because we'd seen the reference before in movies and tv shows. Also, it was just strangely worded the way he put what he said about "raiding your first panty". So, it didn't look like he was using at a euphemism. So, I assumed that either a) he may not know what it actually means as a result of just being mistaken or hearing it used out of context or b) may speak English as his second language and have the wrong impression about what the expression actually means. There are a lot of people who don't speak English as their first language on this forum. And since he didn't understand my post from earlier, I thought that this might have been the reason why. But generally, I wouldn't correct someone on this and would just assume that they were using it as a euphemism.

The trick is to always maintain awareness of the role that you're playing when you're playing a role. That way you don't get attached to it and confuse it for what you really are. I had the same question after I first experienced a glimpse of egolessness, and after thought "I need to be 100% honest and authentic all the time at all costs." And I ended up doing stupid things that undermined my ability to to get along in the world. So, it's important to make a difference between being 100% honest with yourself versus being 100% honest with the world regardless of consequences. So, use a filter for practical reasons. People wouldn't understand anyway and just think you're crazy. But try to make your filter as minimal as the situation allows.

Actually, it was an old dormitory prank and it DOES actually still happen... though not usually as a prank done by a group. But most people know the reference from popular culture's reference to it. But if I heard a guy say that, I would definitely know what he was trying to say, but I would also assume that he didn't actually know what a panty raid really is and as a consequence also suspect that he didn't know very much about sex in general due to the mix up. And some people may take it literally and even assume that he sneaks into women's panty drawers. So, it was just a fair warning for avoiding unnecessary embarrassment in the future.

@Shin Thanks for the support. @SFRL Just one more thing... a panty raid isn't what you think it is. A panty raid is when you sneak into a woman's house and steal a pair of panties from her underwear drawer... perhaps for the purposes of wearing them yourself or just having them as a keepsake. If you use that phrase, people may assume that you're either a serious creep who sneaks into women's homes... or simply that you don't have much sexual experience and have no idea what you're talking about...

You can tag them in this, if you want: I'll talk about my experience with initial attraction dynamics because this has to fall in place first. But this is only the first few months of a relationship. After the first few months, you should be more focused toward developing a deeper friendship and a strong partnership. It requires a completely different kind of cultivating than the initial hoopla of falling in love. It's a different set of neuro-chemicals and brain centers at play. My advice on finding a long-term parter is to first do a lot of introspection and let go of as much baggage as possible. You want to do this first, because you'll always attract and be attracted to a person that mirrors and/or complements you psychologically... even if this isn't super obvious at first. Healthy people are attracted to healthy people, and unhealthy people are attracted to unhealthy people. So, get as healthy as you can first by doing integrative practices and inner work. Be whole first; then seek a relationship. Also, be sure to let go of any resistance to men as a group. Misandrists and misogynists are desperately attracted to one another, and will unconsciously use each other to prop up their negative views on the opposite gender and to meet their needs to connect with what they've repressed as well. People who tend to talk about "real men" and "real women" stuff, tend to fall into these reductive mindsets about gender. So, take these as red flags. It's a really negative dynamic that you may have noticed between people, and no love or partnership can grown there. Also, limiting beliefs and mental baggage will distort and obscure your emotional lens and make you think you want things that you actually don't. This will blunt your intuition and awareness of your emotions. And these two factors are the most important thing in determining how deep your level of attraction is to a man. You won't be getting clear signals as to who will really light your fire... and high heat is necessary in the first months of a relationship because it is a bonding force. WIthout heat and passion, there is no initial fusion which is also called "falling in love." If you never "fall in love" with your partner, due to lack of fusion, then it will be a chore to maintain your relationship and it will be more like a friendship where bland sex and cohabitation is involved. It's similar to chemistry where some chemicals react with one another to form a new chemical and others do not. You want to have the kind of chemistry that reacts, transforms, and bonds. But there is no way to force this. It will only happen with who it happens with. So, it is a passive process. You just have to let the Cupid's Arrow strike you wherever it strikes, and this may happen counterintuitively and unexpectedly. Another thing to keep in mind is that, at first, you will likely be a lot more emotionally interested in him than he is in you. He will more likely be most interested in sex, at first. And beware that some men have mental blocks and can NEVER get past this point from where they are psychologically. But you don't want a relationship with that type of guy anyway. He has more work to do on himself before he can have a healthy loving relationship. If we want to talk in terms of chakras, men tend to become attracted at the sacral chakra level first and usually only move that energy to the heart center after spending intimate (sexual and otherwise) time with a woman. Women tend to become attracted to a man at the heart center first, and then the energy moves downward after spending intimate (sexual or otherwise) time with a man. Of course, there are many exceptions to this... but this is a general rule of thumb that I've observed. But your intuition should lead you to a man who mirrors you, if you're open and receptive to your feelings. You will know it is who you're supposed to be with when you feel intensely positive emotions toward that person that radiate through the entire body from the chest. The more intense the emotions are, the better. There doesn't need to be any conscious decision making in this attraction process. You will feel it before you think it. But don't get trigger happy and mess up the mating dance. You should make him feel like he made the first move and that the whole thing was his idea. It's like dancing. The woman takes the first step (backward) but the man leads. If the woman doesn't take the first step backward first, the man will step on her feet. So, put yourself in close proximity to him and be inviting, but be elusive too. Move away from him but subtly invite him toward you. Scarcity makes the heart grown fonder. Let him chase you a bit, and never chase him. Let your sexuality glint through in your words actions but don't lay it on too thick. Save all the really sexy stuff until the moment that the chase is over (usually when you allow him to kiss you for the first time). Then, do whatever feels right after that point. But a longer chase, often makes for more intensity and heat for both partners. It's more conducive to fusion. Plus, a man will value more what he's spent more time and effort getting, and this will help him invest more in you emotionally to move the attraction past the point of mere sexual attraction. This may sound backward and objectifying, but male sexual impulse tends to be objectifying by design. But it's a reptilian brain thing, so it doesn't adhere to the higher nature of humanity that takes stock in egalitarian values. It's a lower nature thing, and the inner beast wants what it wants. But this is only something to worry about in the first months of a relationship. After that, the higher nature is far more important that the lower nature as the first few months are just a flash in the pan. But the lower nature, is necessary for a strong initial bond. But the deepening of the relationship comes with creating an equal and complementary partnership. So, in the beginning, think polarization, but afterward think deepening and friendship. So tldr version: make yourself healthy first and your intuition will lead you to a person who you're supposed to be with. Focus on intensity of emotions in deciding who you're attracted to. Then, put yourself in close proximity to him while not letting on that you like him too much... even if your feelings are intense. Basically, don't mess up the mating dance.

You just have to be honest. So, you have to exercise your "no" muscles. There is no way to function in the world without using them. You will have to say 'no' ten times more than you'll ever say 'yes.' So, it's an important skill to have. But I always had a hard time with telling people 'no' when I was younger because I didn't want to cause anyone to feel even the slightest negative emotion and risk looking like a bitch. Someone could go out of their way to make me uncomfortable, and I would just try to humor them to make them feel comfortable. A lot of this had to do with the fact that I felt like I wasn't allowed to set my own boundaries and still be considered a nice person, which was really important to my identity. I think many women who want to be the "laid back one" who's "not like the other girls" tend to develop this issue. So, if this sounds like you, then you really have to become okay with setting boundaries and enforcing those boundaries with a calm, respectful, and assertive manner. Don't be afraid to be seen as a bitch. Also, if you're afraid of being seen as a bitch. Then, you have to also search around and face your own judgments of other women who are bitchy and try to integrate the parts of yourself that you repressed when you made the decision that "bitchy women are bad, and I'm not like that." Find what you have in common. There are also a lot of sexist social conditionings that discourage female assertiveness that you'll have to become aware of and mentally give the middle finger to. This is my take on the situation based on my experiences, but there could be other motivations. Does this sound like the thought processes that you've been involved in?

All I can speak to is my own experience. So, I could be wrong. But I suspect that people are mostly similar in this way.