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I made a post answering a similar question to this the other day. I'll copy-paste what I wrote... "The core idea of Feminism, is that women are not inferior to men. So, this core idea when looked at in a vacuum is a very Green idea, and mostly presents itself as Green in the average contemporary Feminist. That said, Feminism is not a monolith, and there are many different schools of thought within the umbrella of Feminism that are at Blue, Orange, Green, Yellow, and probably Turquoise. But I don't know a lot about Turquoise, so I'm not sure. There is no Feminism that is below Blue though, because Feminism originates as a late-Blue idealogical development. So, as a "technology", it isn't really compatible with any paradigm originating in early Blue and before. This is because society naturally skews polarly patriarchal in pre-industrial societies. But industrial societies (which are late Blue/ early Orange) catalyze the dawning of Feminism as an ideology and are also a sign-post that the pinnacle of patriarchy is on the horizon. Feminism at late-Blue at its dawning would be like First Wave Feminism, where women wanted to have a vote in the way society runs. But most First Wave Feminists were known to be dogmatic about things like prohibition and sexual purity. And much of the desire to have a say in society at the time was coming from a place of trying to have a say in defending patriarchal values. Modern-day Blue Feminism would be like TERFs (Trans-Exclusive Radical Feminists) or other radical Feminists that believe that we need to engineer society to make men and women separate, to avoid male tyranny. Similarly, Lesbian Separatists are also Blue. These types of Feminists tend to be really out of touch, because society is past Blue in the first place. So, society could never really go in that direction. And societies that are still in Blue would have no tolerance for those ideas. Feminism at Orange in the past (which was a major development in Feminism) would be like Second Wave Feminists, who wanted women to be able to join the workplace to be able to have individuality, goals, success, money, and power. Feminism at Orange today, is a little bit out-moded and often gets criticized by deeper and more comprehensive forms of Feminism that are more Green. So, an example of Orange Feminism would be like Pop-Feminism. Think of Dove Commercials and Beyonce- "We Run the World Girls", kind of ideas. It's very watered down to appeal to the Orange masses and to sell empowerment to women. Or the type of Feminism that Green Feminists pejoratively refer to as 'White Feminism', where the only issues that are focused on have to do with (mostly wealthy and white) women breaking the glass ceiling and rising on the corporate ladder, to prove that women can be just as (fill in the blank) as men. Deep down, this stage and these types of Feminism are still very patriarchal, even if it appears relatively equal on the surface. Green Feminists start to realize this on a shallow level. Yellow Feminists realize this on a deeper level. Feminism at Green would be the dawning of a basic awareness of systemic thinking relative to social structures and social structures only. The most popular form of this would be Intersectional Feminism, where Feminists are actively questioning how various privilege structures work within society and how different privilege structures act differently. Most Third-Wave Feminists are at Green. Despite its advances and deepening of awareness, it is still quite dogmatic. They often start to become more aware than the people around them about social patterns, and begin demonizing and blaming people who don't see the same patterns that they do. They also tend to believe that masculinity and femininity are nothing more than social constructs, to avoid uncomfortable truths that they fear may send them backwards. It's not really a very happy place to be at with regard to Feminism because a lot of Reds, Blues, and Oranges tend to lambast them, each group with a different reasoning. That's why there are so many Feminist cringe compilations circulating around the internet. Many Green Feminists don't know how to react effectively to noticing power structures that they've never noticed before, and they don't know how to fix them. So, they get nit-picky and defensive. And there are a lot of truths that they've yet to discover that occur on levels deeper than social structures. But they don't know that yet. Gender inequality can't be fully resolved at this level... just managed to make people feel more comfortable. Feminism at Yellow, would be when systemic thinking deepens beyond the social level to a more esoteric level and spiritual level. This is where the roots of the issues noticed at Green can start to be recognized. And with this, the demonization of the less conscious goes away. Here, instead of focusing only on gender inequality, it is recognized that gender inequality is a symptom of a deeper problem. And there is also a realization that femininity and masculinity are real in the form of Yin and Yang, and that these energies reflect in all living and non-living systems. And in this realization, there is an awareness that the imbalance between Yin and Yang is reflected as the core of most of our social problems that extend FAR beyond gender inequality. At Yellow, it is recognized that the Feminism is intrinsically linked to the Feminine Principle and all of its traits and expressions. It is also recognized that even Feminists at Green tend to unconsciously support the imbalance between Yin and Yang, because they don't realize when certain things are masculine or feminine. So, they are unconscious of their masculine biases that exacerbate the imbalance. It is also recognized that this imbalance reflects as a society that devalues Mother Nature and focuses more toward society at nature's expense. It is also recognized that Feminism is a natural outgrowth of post-industrial society. A patriarchal society that is post-industrial is VERY dangerous to Mother Nature as the imbalanced human system can threaten to break the natural systems. So, the feminine is in need of being reintegrated. There are very few Yellow Feminists. I think it is what will come in the future. Feminism at Turquoise, this I'm not sure of. I would imagine that it's probably about acceptance one way or another. And recognizing things are perfect either way. Either, we will be able to transcend our patriarchal past and integrate the feminine, and continue evolving and existing as a species. Or humanity will be unable to transcend its patriarchal leanings, proving that it is simply inherently patriarchal and the imbalanced system will break the planetary systems and will destroy humanity with it. But either way, the Earth is just a spec in the infinite expanses of the universe. Things get destroyed all the time. Nothing much would be gained or lost either way. That's just a thought though. I'm not really sure about Turquoise."

My attractions have always largely been about projecting some latent aspect of myself onto him. And in having connection with him, I feel more myself. So, for me, I tend to be attracted to reserved men who I imagine to have a lot of depth to them. And I like men who have a heart and are interested in deep things like art, psychology, spirituality, etc. I like a man who is just as much playful as he is capable fo being intellectual and serious. And I like a man with subtle un-pretended masculinities who is very cool headed and warm-hearted at the same time. And when I fantasize about being with them, I imagine that they are both emotionally aware (aka sensitive) enough to understand me and to be able to carry on a conversation with me about topics that I'm interested in. If I feel like he won't understand the things I'm interested in or be able to carry on a deep conversation with me, it's deal-breaker. So, for me personally, I like guys who already embody traits that I want for myself. So, if a man has a high degree of equanimity and peacefulness to his personality, I will tend to admire him because I aspire to that. Or if a man is okay with himself and doesn't need a lot of theatrics, I will tend to admire him because I aspire to that. And if a guy is reserved, I can also project qualities that I want in myself onto him, even if he doesn't have them. So, allowing for some silence can work in your favor. But if you wonder why women who you're not romantically involved with don't respond with attraction to niceness, it's because niceness is very basic and just not that much of a turn-on. It's just the absence of a deal-breaker in my book. Now, warm-heartedness and compassion are different. Those are much less common than niceness and deeper than niceness. They are also like a breath of fresh air. But if a man is into spirituality. That's good because we have a common interest. That said, there's no guarantee that his interest in spirituality will lead to an attraction. Now, with regard to a man being emotional, I would exchange emotional with emotionally sensitive or emotionally aware. Emotional to me means unstable and volatile. Basically, a man who can't control himself and has emotional outbursts and a lot of rage. Conversely, if a man is tuned into his own feelings and has a high degree of empathy and emotional awareness, it is one the sexiest things ever. That means that the man is capable of a level of intimacy that is rare to find in a man, because they fear seeming weak. So, it also means that he's comfortable enough in his masculinity to embody a trait that's typically seen as feminine. But again, women's attractions are highly selective and counter-intuitive. They don't have to do with any one particular trait or even a laundry list of all the "right" traits. It's more about chemistry, projection, luck, and context. So, your friend's crush probably just didn't want the experience of being with him because the Cupid's Arrow just didn't strike. But she probably liked the other guy because he was more mysterious, and she probably projected a lot onto him before she realized that he was an ass. The best advice I can give you is to rid yourself of deal-breakers and to know your strengths and interests. Be authentic and unapologetic about yourself. Also, perhaps plant a subtle seed that tilts her mind in a romantic direction in a very ambiguous way, but immediately go back to being platonic. Then, give her some space and time for her mind to do what it is (or isn't) going to do. The ambiguity may get her interested in what's going on in your mind, so that she wants to know more. But less is more.

Like I said female sexuality is generally holistic, but there can be dealbreakers and barriers to attraction as well. So, the particular traits work together to create something greater than the sum of its parts. But that doesn't mean that the attraction is unconditional and that the parts don't matter. In fact, it's extremely conditional. This is why women are a lot pickier than men. For example, I'm only attracted one guy at time. That's the only way for the attraction to be emotionally potent because the meaningfulness of the attraction adds to the aphrodisiac effect that the man has on me. If I'm attracted to two guys at once, it's like I feel 1/8 the effect of the aphrodisiac toward both of them combined as I would toward just one guy. And if I'm not through the moon for a guy the emotional payoff of dating him or being intimate with him is tepid at best and depressing at worst. But yes, the reptilian brain is also involved in attraction. But that isn't a conscious strategy that women employ. From the subjective experience, attraction either arises for no conscious reason or doesn't arise for no conscious reason. I'm not saying biology is null in this whole intuitive mix. It's part of the mix. But as an individual woman, it just comes on like a Cupid's Arrow.

Listen, neither John Gottman nor David M Buss have as much experience with being a woman as I do. I have almost thirty years of experience with this vehicle. So, I don't have any strategies that I consciously employ in developing an attraction to a particular man. It comes about intuitively and out of nowhere. Usually, what happens is I know a guy, and he's just a guy to me, just like anyone else. Then, I think about him one day and realize that I feel really good when I think about him. Then, I want to think about him more and be around him more. So, it's just the presence of positive romantic and sexual emotions that make me attracted to a guy. So, I would say that women's attractions to men are more holistic. No single trait will guarantee that a woman will be attracted to any guy. It's more that a man is more than just the sum of his parts and has a magic pull to him, that only I can see. That said, there can be deal breakers that get in the way of an attraction. For example, if I start to get an attraction to a man and imagine that he's a really warm-hearted guy and start admiring for that, then I see him kick a puppy. Well, the illusion is broken and he loses the magic. *Also note: For me (and maybe many others) All men begin in the friend-zone. They aren't consciously put there. Most just never make their way out of the friend-zone.

Thank you.

Women don't have an attraction strategy. They're just intuitively attracted to whoever happens to strike their fancy. It's a total Cupid's Arrow. But for women, context matters. When I start getting an attraction to a guy, I go into many fantasies about spending time with him and how he might react and what it might entail. So, if I imagine that I can have a lot of good emotions and experiences with a guy I will develop an attraction that that one guy. So, because many Orange women desire status, their fantasies are probably centered around the status a man can bring to her life. A Blue woman might fantasize about marriage and settling down. But Green women don't care about that to much. It's all about the potential for intimacy, having similar interests, and mutual exploration.

Please stop straw-manning. I didn't call you a bigot, and I didn't attack your character in any way. I'm just saying that you're unconscious to social patterns and that unconsciousness isn't a virtue or solution those problems. This is true no matter how much you genuinely value equality. But if you really value equality, I recommend learning how to think systemically. Sometimes the solutions are counter-intuitive.

The thing is, you are not even understanding anything that I've said. I've told you a bunch of things, then you respond with mostly straw man arguments against what you think I'm implying, and tons of platitudes to defend your own personal character (despite the fact that I never once attacked your personal character). Your personal character is fine, I'm sure. In truth, I wouldn't have even stopped to answer you question if I thought you were a willful asshole. But I thought you would at least be a little bit more receptive to what I'm telling you about the world that you don't already know, and why the state of things are the way they are. I feel like you're making concerted efforts specifically to avoid understanding what I'm saying, because it contradicts your worldview and your ideas of what equality means. I'm trying to pop your bubble, not hate on you. But character isn't really the issue in most cases. Unconsciousness is. Most of the world's problems are propped up by well-meaning people. And when you let go of your idea that you're not unconscious, then you might be able to empathize a bit better and get a clearer idea of what's going on in the world. But you're afraid of that, because you're content with comforting yourself on the idea that you're a good person and if more people were like you the world would be better. But that's just not the way things work. That's fantasy land. You can't wish the problems away with sunshine and rainbows. But the only way to transcend these issues is if a large percentage of society understands them at a deep level. That way, we don't unconsciously fall into negative patterns that contribute to those issues. The fact of the matter is, if we ignore problems and sweep them under the rug, they don't just magically disappear. They just rot there and get even worse. And these problems may not be super clear to those who aren't experiencing them daily. So, ignorance is not a solution. Unless, you're unconsciously trying to solve the problem of your own discomfort. By which ignorance is a wonderful solution. But otherwise, if you really care about equality and freedom as more than just an ego concern, willful unconsciousness to social patterns is never a good solution. It can be helpful to think more systemically. That way you can see that social problems are not personal. So, if you're contributing unconsciously to a social problem, it's not your fault. But understand that if you're unconscious you will be certainly working as a cog in that machine. Sometimes the most obvious solution is all wrong. So, if you think more systemically, you can entertain different perspectives a bit better. The first twenty minute of the video goes into the basics of systems thinking, and the second twenty or so is about how to apply it to the inner world. So, hopefully this will help you get a better grasp of what I'm trying to say.

If you don't want uncomfortable answers, don't ask uncomfortable questions.

I'm not trying to spread rumors about him. I just always thought that he was. It was the impression that I got mostly because of his mannerisms. So, when you were talking about the other yogi, I thought that you might have been referring to him because Shinzen was in a lot of videos with an attractive woman. So, I was like, "Well, that would make sense." But for the record, I am not saying that Shinzen Young is definitely gay or bringing it up just to stir up controversy or something. It was just my genuine first impression of him.

Okay. But is it Shinzen Young? I'm sure he has the iron-clad discipline to be celibate. I'm not questioning that. But he also has always pinged on my gaydar. So, perhaps practicing celibacy with a hot wife is not as much of a challenge for him as it would be for others.

I'm not arguing with you or trying to point fingers. You read it that way because it's probably what you expect. I don't think you're a bad guy at all. I just think you have blindspots. So, I was just trying to answer your original question to make you aware of why people are acting like they are to give you more context. But, I assumed that you were heterosexual because most people are, quite frankly. Plus, your post made it seem like you're a guy concerned about dating women in the modern world. So, I just assumed that you were. But if you're not, I apologize for assuming. I'm bi-sexual myself. Also, I'm not assuming that you've had an easy life. I'm only assuming that you've never experienced the experience of being woman. And with that, I assume that you haven't dealt with the sexuality and dating landscape from the vantage point of a woman, which has very specific perils that men don't have to deal with. It is these issues, that men often get uncomfortable about and don't like to talk about. But it isn't just willful assholes that contribute to these patterns. The real culprit is unconsciousness. So, even peaceful and caring guys can unwittingly allow and even contribute to these negative patterns without meaning to. So, everything that I've written to you so far is not meant to be a personal indictment. It has been an attempt to show you that you have some blind spots. The first thing is to let go of the limiting belief that everything always needs to be 100% equal to be fair. Sometimes blind mechanical equality can enforce pre-existing inequalities. But it's perfect that you're an agnostic for the analogy. So, Christianity is the most popular religion and Christians get certain privileges in society that people who are agnostic (or any other non-Christian religious orientation) don't get. Because Christianity is so popular, they tend to run with the idea that their religion is best, without being checked on it too much. And they can often think that they're being discriminated against, just by people having a different set of religous beliefs. So, it can be an uncomfortable situation, for example, to be at a public event when everyone bows their head a prays to Jesus. It makes it a social expectation to conform to Christian norms. Or if a Christian person confronts you and asks you what your religion is or tries to convert you, it can be a very uncomfortable experience where you might be tempted to lie just to avoid it. Now, not all Christians are like this. And certainly, most of the Christians that are like this mean well. But it doesn't make the experience any more comfortable for non-Christians. So, if you as an Agnostic complained about that and noted your experience to a Christian. And then the Christian didn't really address your experiences and just answered with, well not all Christians are like that. Anyway, I believe that everyone should be able choose whatever makes you happy and so should Christians. So, those bad Christian shouldn't do that. But it's also important for the non-religious not to Christian-shame too. There are bad people on both sides. But they are not really being empathetic and they aren't really listening. They are just trying to defend themselves and the thing they're identified with. The conversation is meant to shift the focus from real problems to their problem with the solutions.

That's why I seek to drop the ego permanently. I am not interested in transcending life itself or extricating myself from the experience of life. That seems quite silly to me, considering the fact that I have an eternity to be the infinite thing that I am, have always been, and will always be. What I want is the integration between a life of complete embodiment as a finite person and that which simply is, just like I had before. To realize that while I'm on my journey that I've never actually left home.

If it's the one I'm thinking about, it's because he's probably gay. That's always the vibe I got from him.

He made the triggered joke because wrote to him (not Leo) on another thread and I suspect he mischaracterized me a bit because I was talking about women's issues... as I typically do. I think it's the most important things to focus on relative to the evolution of humanity, as the Divine Feminine has been repressed in the collective consciousness for many thousands of years. But there is more a slant toward Divine Masculine on here sometimes at the expense of the Divine Feminine, and not so much of an integration between the two. But it's really good to observe through the triggering, and being on here can help show you some of the barriers toward the integration of the Divine Feminine. It's hard to integrate the Feminine in our era because there's so much misinformation and reductionism going on relative to it. I talked about this dichotomy a bit in one of my recent videos. Where there is a the duality of Form (Feminine) and Formlessness (Masculine), which are really both the same thing. Then there is the dichotomy of Love (Feminine) and Emptiness (Masculine), which are also just two aspects of God. And it makes sense that Leo would focus more on the emptiness aspect of it, because it seems like Leo's experiences beyond ego were experiences of the Divine Masculine, which my experiences were less geared toward. But I have experienced the Divine Feminine during my experiences of ego transcendence, and they were more about unconditional love and fuller embodiment of myself as a human being. I had access to divine wisdom that seemed to come from outside of me and inside me at the same time. And I already knew that I had always known. And because I had no fear or suffering, I was very open instead of shut up like I normally am. Because of this my intuition become very sensitive and I was receptive to larger social patterns just by looking at people around me. There was also a deep connection between myself and everything else. I recognized this first in the trees and the grass that were around me. And my emotions were able to play out at full stretch within me, and conveyed wisdom to me. And I experienced all the repressed feminine traits that I had locked away just to be able to exist in society. And despite thinking of feminine and masculine as mere social constructs, I detected an energy buzzing inside me and outside that I immediately identified as feminine which was erotic but not explicitly sexual. It was life-giving and gave me access to my animal instincts. And I felt completely at home in the mundane world, which I recognized as a literal heaven. And I didn't have to prove myself worthy of anything or fear death. My existence was already unshakably valid. So, relationships are an aspect of Divine Feminine and they're also an aspect of the Illusion. So, they are empty in that sense. But there is no distinction between Divine Masculine and Divine Feminine at the end of the day. Duality is not separate from Non-Duality. Form is not separate from Formlessness. It's all one thing, and that one thing is infinite. So, it has all things... including the finite. So, embodiment in this life is just as much part of the path as transcendence.

I understand that you don't have any malice in your intentions at all, and I know you're not attacking me. So, I moreso see your post and the ideas in it as a mild outgrowth of the larger system that creates blind spots. Basically, I see you as thinking un-systemically and taking a narrow view on the issue causing you to have blind spots. So, I'm trying to communicate to you why things are the way they are, and show you that you're taking a narrower view on the issue than is beneficial in hopes that you will zoom out a bit more. I get why you're all about what you call "true equality". I used to have the same exact belief. Just treat everyone the same and it will be fair. But while that idea would make perfect sense in an equal society, which you probably assume we have like I did before I became more aware. But in an unequal society (which is the reality) it's just becomes a feel-good platitude for those who have it quite good already and don't realize the struggles that others are dealing with. It's a way to sweep problems with fairness under the rug and not address issues that affect real people's lives. These ideas of equality mostly function in ways that keep people in an inherently better position in their comfort zone and assured of their own goodness, while washing their hands of systemic societal problems. Also, I've never heard of people engaging in "hetero-shaming", and if there are people doing that it isn't typical of the LGBTQ community. There's FAR more of the opposite. So, focusing on hetero-shaming which isn't a systemic issue EQUALLY to focusing on discrimination of LGBTQ community which is a systemic issue, is inherently unequal and unfair to people in the LGBTQ community who deal with discrimination all the time. Versus straight people who have to actually do a Google search titled "hetero-shaming" to actually find evidence of it. Ask yourself, has anyone in your life every shamed you for being heterosexual? Have you ever lacked representation in the media as a heterosexual? Did your parents ever disown you for being heterosexual? Did you ever get bullied for being heterosexual? So, it's focusing on a non-issue to obscure a real issue. So, it's focusing too much on the smallest potatoes and missing the biggest ones. That's probably why people get mad at you. If someone is in Green, they may even assume that you're being intentionally hateful due to their lack of perspective. So, I agree that it would be ideal if everyone could be free and happy. But society has barriers to freedom and happiness built into it, and ignoring it with sunshine and rainbows platitudes like "let everyone be free and happy" just ignores this fact and allows for those barriers to continue to exist. I may have a better example for you to illustrate the blindspots. Do you happen to be an atheist or follow an uncommon religion?

@billiesimon I agree with this. Orange guys tend to be very competitive and robotic. So, they don't have a lot of heart. It's almost like you're in the same room as him, but not really in the same room as him at the same time. He can't appreciate much. That said, Orange guys will have a lot more success with picking up women than Green guys, because there are more Orange women than Green women. So, Orange women will fall for the Orange man's games. Also, running game itself is very Orange. This is what give the illusion of the Orange way as being the best way to attract women. But Green women (and women in the stages above), will find these types artificial, cold, and unattractive. They will not admire Orange men.

Third-Wave Feminists are usually sex-positive and support body positivity and fat acceptance. They are pro-freedom of sexual expression for everyone regardless of gender identity or sexual orientation. They are also usually accepting of polyamory. And they disapprove of double standards against women being promiscuous, and dislike slut-shaming. And many support sex workers and want the profession to be legalized and safer. So, Greens are actually radically accepting of sexuality in all shapes and forms... except if it encroaches upon the lives of others. So, they have discovered the pattern of rape culture which is an outgrowth of the stages before it that see female sexuality as a commodity and the woman as an object and not a subject that still flows as a strong undercurrent through society. Bottom line is, the problem is that women have to deal with a lot of issues relative to sex that men don't have to deal with and that men usually aren't aware of. So, unaware men usually end up stepping on women's toes in various ways and going over boundaries. Or some don't even care or hate women and want negative things to happen to them. So, because these experiences are so common and sexual harassment and misogyny is just a given if you're a woman, there are many Green initiatives to fight against this problem. The issue is that many Orange men are usually unconscious to these social patterns, given that they don't know what it's like to experience it firsthand. And they're also likely to equate female interest with their own worth, seeing female sexuality as an object and hot commodity to enhance their status. Then Blue men shame women for having sexual feelings or any divergence from monogamy. Then Red men don't care and will just do whatever they want without any qualms about what women think because they see women as property. So, men from these stages will be very unsympathetic to the struggles women go through and will make initiative like #metoo all about them and the restriction of their own freedom, without considering the state of society that produced so many "metoo" stories. They'll be like, "But what about my sexual desires?" and will even conjecture that women are making things up always assuming the perpetrator to be innocent of sexual misconduct and the accuser guilty of false accusation. But as a woman who was molested as a child by an older child and who has woken up three times in my teenage years to three different full grown men trying to do things to me in my sleep (and countless other minor experiences ranging from mild catcalling to outright stalking threats), this concern for men not wanting to date just isn't a priority compared to the broader social issues and their unique effects on me as a person. So, Greens gets very angry at Oranges especially for prioritizing their desires over the physical, psychological, and emotional safety of women. That's why all the blue haired ones are always pissed off and yelling at everyone and jumping up and down like yo yos. But it's not because they're anti-sex. Quite the contrary. It's because they see that some people are taking up all the room in the collective "bedroom", leaving little room for others.

Sorry about that. I misunderstood. Basically, I think the variety of different interpretations that can be applied to his words is part of his tactic for getting people to move back toward a patriarchal, traditionalist social structure. He's very intelligent so he knows what to say and what not to say to give him plausible deniability and an appeal to a mainstream audience including people on the right, middle, and moderate left.

Thank you. But I don't believe that I've misunderstood him at all. I think I've hit the nail on the head.

Paradoxically, it is human nature to be critical and react in particular ways to things that are seen as harmful. So, to say "all criticism is untenable" is true. But it is also true that I have strong feelings against what Jordan Peterson says and how he says it. So, I try to make space for the integration of both truths. That way I don't invalidate and repress my emotions, which is also an integral part of the infinite nature of reality. To paint over emotional truths with intellectual truths is just using the truth to lie to one's self. So, while I recognize that on the ultimate level everything is 100% perfect, including Jordan Peterson. I also recognize that my emotions are telling me that I don't like his schtick. And my emotions are also 100% perfect because they are part of the everything. They are not separate from the everything.