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She’s only running against Biden as a Democrat in the Democratic PRIMARY. Biden and Marianne are competing to be the Democratic nominee. And whoever the Democratic nominee will be, will be going head to head against the Republican nominee. So, she can’t possibly act as a spoiler. She’ll either be the candidate or she won’t. It will either be Marianne or Biden going to the general against DeSantis or Trump. And as long as she doesn’t run 3rd party in the general, she literally can’t act as a spoiler. And she’s not stupid. She wouldn’t run third party in the general to act as a spoiler to Biden.

I’m not over-estimating the size of the progressive base. I said 15-20% of registered Democrats. That’s probably about 5-8% of general society. I think that’s a fair estimate…. and probably a bit of an underestimate given that Bernie was very popular. Progressives will like her because progressives pay attention to policy. And she has similar policy proposals to Bernie. And you’re being a bit closed minded here. You have a very conscious candidate running for president that supports many of the policy positions that YOU agree with. And because running for president is such a high profile endeavor, this will create a catalyst for forward movement in that direction. And that catalyzing force will be stronger the more support that she gets. So, it’s not foolish to vote for her in the primary… ESPECIALLY if what you say is true that she isn’t going to win the primary. If you genuinely think she has no chance and Biden is such a shoo-win, then it’s foolish for you not to vote for her in the primary. In fact, it would be incredibly foolish not to vote for her in the primary, if you’re a person who’s in favor of progressive policies and societal evolution. Even if she loses the primary, supporting her is a vote to shift the Overton Window in a more conscious direction. You’d be throwing away an opportunity. Consider not doing that. What could it hurt?

I don’t buy those statistics. They might be sampling in a way where they’re more likely to survey single men and non-single women. Otherwise, it just doesn’t make sense. Most women statistically are straight, monogamous, and dating men who are an average of 2 years older than them. So, either the sampling is skewed… or women are more likely to report “situationships” and FWB as relationships while men do not. Also, even if those stats were true, how does that imply that women aren’t interested in average men? Just look around at the world and you’ll find tons of average men with girlfriends and wives. Also women develop feelings for average guys because women tend to be more adept at seeing beauty in the ordinary. It’s like all the little personality tells come through in his appearance and you can read so much about him and his energy. Women are not typically idealists as it pertains to dating. And if they are, it’s a piss poor strategy for finding a partner because you’re looking only for on paper traits. For most women, it’s much more about feelings than it is about men matching some arbitrary standard. Though of course, developing one’s self can make a person more attractive in a general sense. Also as a side benefit… if a man is average in looks, it let’s us be the peacock in the relationship. It would be hard to feel desirable in a relationship with Brad Pitt or someone like that because he’d be the peacock. My rule is that I have to be the peacock. Otherwise, the relationship just doesn’t feel good. Edit: I think the main issue is that men have a hard time understanding what women find attractive about them because men generally don’t find those things attractive. So, they have to understand male attractiveness and female attraction through the lens of what makes logical sense to be attracted to. And they create these narratives about women only being interested in the guy at the top of some hierarchy. But female attraction is not logical. It’s emotional. And it’s just the joy of feeling a man’s personality and virtues shine through his appearance and gestures. All the other stuff is just logistics or spice.

The majority of women

The progressive base will definitely know. They’re already aware. So, that’s your 15-20% right there. And if the mainstream media actually covers the Democratic primary, then people will know in general. But if the latter doesn’t happen, there are still waves to be made. And Marianne has quite a few powerful and famous connections that she can utilize. And she can drum up even more anti-establishment support by publicly calling out the media’s establishment bias. You underestimate how much appeal outsiders who challenge the system have in the eyes of many mainstream Americans.

She may not win, but I’m fairly confident that she’ll easily get 15-20%. Mark my words and anticipate the eventual “I told you so.” ? Do you really think the progressive base will vote Biden in the primary when they have a guilt-free choice to vote for Marianne?

First off, Marianne Williamson is very charismatic herself. You just might not yet be familiar with her enough to know that because you only saw her in a primary where she ran against 20 other people. And two of her competitors were Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren who are higher profile progressive candidates. So, even people who would have liked to have voted Marianne in the 2020 primary (like myself), would have instead voted for Bernie because he was the best shot at getting a progressive to the White House. But I’m super thrilled that I get to vote for her this time around without it cannibalizing the votes of another progressive in the primary. Also, Obama’s whole campaign was about hope and change. He didn’t run as a moderate middle of the road politician. Many people saw the changes he would bring as very progressive, even though he is an establishment Democrat. It seems laughable now, but in 2008 many people thought that Obama would be this watershed political moment that changed the fundamental nature of American politics. It wasn’t. But people were very moved by the promise of change. And Marianne can drum up that same support base. The target audience of people clamoring for change is already there. And Marianne Williamson will definitely get more support that Yang did because it’s only her versus Biden. And unlike in 2020, she isn’t competing against Bernie for the progressive vote. So, most of the progressive base will vote for her in the primary. And all she has to do is rile up the anti-establishment voters and the progressive base. My prediction is that she’ll get at least 15-20% of the vote in the primary. And even more if she campaigns well. Now, you may be right. But only time will tell. Betcha $5 that she gets at least 20% of the vote in the primary. ?

@Optimized Life Why would a very attractive woman want to be with a guy who values women’s looks so much that he would kill himself if he doesn’t get a hot girlfriend? Just think about what you’re bringing to the table here… and more specifically what you’re not bringing to the table. A beautiful woman wants (more than most women) to be valued for who she is… and not what she looks like. And if a man generally isn’t able to appreciate the beauty of women who are of similar levels of physical attractiveness to himself, it indicates that he probably has some maturing to do. And it also indicates that he has a shallow understanding of beauty in general. Someone who truly values beauty and has a refined palette for it, would be able to recognize beauty in things that most people don’t see as beautiful. It’s easy to find beauty in a supermodel. Everyone can do it. But can you find beauty in the cracks on the sidewalk or an old dusty book store or the lines on a person’s face? This is how an attractive woman longs to be appreciated. So, again… why would a very attractive woman go for the type of guy who’s so focused on her looks, when she has so many other options?

One thing that I would say about all this is that the lines between Fascism and Conservatism have been deliberately blurred by the tactics of those in Fascist movements. So, you won’t find any hard lines. And that’s by design. And these lines will only get blurrier and blurrier as Fascism gains more of a foothold in the mainstream discourse. It creates a situation where you can’t name out Fascism as it’s happening without it sounding hyperbolic to most people. And it also makes it look like you’re demonizing average Conservatives. And yet, if you don’t call a spade a spade when it comes to Fascism, it can get really ugly. Most people don’t recognize Fascism when they see it. So, it’s a pickle.

This is exactly how I see it

Sorry about the putting my replies inside the box. I like to respond bit by bit. But it does get in the way of others responding to me. But what you’re saying now in the post above contradicts what you said before about her being like Margaret Thatcher. And Marianne does have a fiery spirit. If you were familiar with her, you would know that. Also, Democrats will all vote for her if she makes it to the general, even the ones that prefer Biden in the primary… and she’d energize independents and non-voters to come out to the polls.

You don’t know that what you experienced in astral was a reflection of truth. So, it’s unwise to frame it as such. 10,000 street preachers have shared their doomsday visions to no avail. And they got so many people up in a tizzy who believed them because they said it authoritatively.

Biden will probably win the Democratic nomination. But if Marianne bests Biden in the primary (and that’s definitely an ‘if’), I think she will have an equal or larger turnout compared to Biden in the general. And that’s because her winning the primary would indicate that she’s energized non-voters to come to the polls.

Yes. Many have called her Reagan in a dress.

Why Margaret Thatcher? ?‍♀️ Margaret Thatcher is basically the British female version of Ronald Reagan.

That’s pretty old news. But I understand what you’re saying. Americans can support stupid candidates. But Americans also supported Barrack Obama because of his progressive messaging about hope. And I think Marianne can drum up a similar type of support.

In case any U.S. citizens want to contribute to her campaign… https://secure.actblue.com/donate/marwilliamson2024

Don’t phrase this like you know it for sure. It’s irresponsible to share your vision this way.

Not necessarily so. You mostly do it through Populist messaging that people resonate with. In the 2016 election, Donald Trump ran his campaign on bringing back jobs and draining the swamp. He also threw some demagoguery in there to galvanize the racists in his base. But silly as it seems, probably 1/2 or more of 2016 Trump supporters voted for him because they saw him as an anti-establishment outsider that was going to come in and fix things. And in 2020, he lost because the Rust Belt went to Biden when he didn’t deliver on his promises and stopped the fake Populist messaging. Marianne could leverage her campaign similarly because she too is an outsider.

I honestly think she has a Bernie Sanders level of potential. Only time will tell though. There’s a small possibility that she could even best him at galvanizing his base and beyond because she understands at a deep level the way that optics, coalition building, and creating political movements work… while Bernie could be a bit strong headed about things like that for better and for worse. Like Bernie was easier to besmirch as a Communist because he was always talking about being a Democratic Socialist. And so, this was a huge bug-a-boo for a lot of the people I spoke to when canvassing for him. And I can see her do very well at painting a simple vision for the general constituency on the level that most can receive it.