WickedIrish

everything you think about or feel will always unwind back to you. Even thoughts about you, you are whats at the end of that unwind.

its wonderful

You cant, you just have to be

How could I explain it? I can't even get a tiny sense of that feeling. I am a Lab tech , I get paid very well to understand matter and sign my name on the bottom of a sheet paper that says this is structural. 1000's of soil tests, 100's of chemical and concrete tests, This is entirely different

The only way to get back to that state is defiantly not to mediate and kill your ego and listen to Leo. You need to stand up, be happy and go on with your life, even if its crazy. You might find one day that it is crazy wonderful. Seriously thats all I've ever wanted and I think its that simple and I think I've been there before. Don't slow your thoughts, accept them in all there glory and realize that they are weightless. There wont be anything wrong with them then. There wont be anything wrong with anything. I think its that simple, stand up and be in all your glory because you aren't weightless ( 1/8 of a ton actually). What could possible be better than making that connection? Weird shit might happen but I need to find that thing again. The great thing about that moment was everything was horseshit, even me. I, that brick, and that thing were the only thing that wasn't crazy. There was a amazing lesson there I forgot. You need to stop trying, trying means you think something is wrong and needs to change. Why on earth am I on this forum trying to squeeze information and keep track of progress? I've been listening to hours of Leo and jumping into freezing cold rivers. Its just pure crazy. I can't laugh about it like I did before but I can acknowledge that these tactics and heavy thoughts are the exact opposite of understanding insanity. You need to understand the pure insanity of it, I need to, because right now it makes sense and it really shouldn't.

You really. The feeling is in everything, including you. I ran around buildings and checked, its everything. I feel you can only make this connection in that state, that sense of belonging. If that brick is dead and it has that much energy, wouldn't my body after death still radiate it? That is a very peaceful conclusion but only made sense then, perfect sense.

I am going to give this is a very serious try, the local river (38F) I found out today is my mental barrier. I didn't last long even with Vin Hoff's breathing method. I am very eager to return and further push myself.

After thinking about Vin Hoff's Ice Man training I have decided to give it a try yesterday. I had a interesting moment in life before while skin diving in the Northwest that gives his method weight. I was spear fishing during the season and I decided to mimic a flounder and just sit on the bottom and train my mind to fight the need to breathe. At a depth of around 7 feet I sat on the bottom with a full breath of air and pushed thoughts of breath away. During this moment of extreme cold and breathlessness I opened my eyes ( i was wearing goggles) and moved my arms. I realized that no matter what my mind said, my body was very capable and I swam around. This moment of strange clarity of my abilities lasted 10 seconds before my *breath alarm* pierced this moment and i pushed upward to breathe. I believe that my awareness of my abilities is tied to enlightenment and cold therapy deserves another shot. I have since only taken cold showers which feel amazing. I realized I needed to push myself and I went to the snake river today in Southeast Washington near Pullman. I dove off the dock into the 38 degree F water and received a system shock. I lasted seconds and I realized that the mental barrier in water this cold was too much even after proper breathing. I am eager to return later in the week and further test myself. Putting oneself into uncomfortable positions can really show the weakness of your mental state.

It seems you are very at peace with yourself, I respect that. Fasting seems to me like training with sharp swords. I've always thought swords belonged on the wall. Are there other methods, say for example cold showers, that you could recommend to people trying to experience life away from the body?

This Chart doesn't do the original justice, But I found it helpful. I wanted to keep track of my states of awareness. When I tried to do this I found there was almost no point due to difficulty. IF I was to chart the intervals it would look like this... I found that you would need to be VERY mentally developed to achieve even 1 straight hour. You would really need to be at complete peace with thoughts , no matter what they were, in order to let go of them quick enough * or pass right on through* as I hear it put. I have a question that needs an (informative/descriptive) answer this seems like the BASE for mental development, being able to keep a awareness state through out the day without thoughts affecting your path. Is this true? I feel awareness is like an empty cup, and I struggle to keep thoughts out of it. If it is perhaps the base, a reasonably minded person would not waste any time doing anything else. Thoughts anyone? I feel I am onto something here.

Hi Walt, I've been keenly interested with this continuous moment feeling I have been introduced too. I've made very little progress and the idea of using that feeling is maddening. I'll clear this idea up before i continue, The awareness stillness provides has been Eye- opening, I want to be *aware* for greater periods of time. The Idea is maddening because it is very difficult to put into practice. I avoid going META on these ideas, I have a practical approach to mediation and its hopeful benefits. I've been pleasantly surprised so far. However Walt, I have *gone META* with this one and I'll explain my *META* reasoning. I had to draw a chart to figure this out, I will include if I can. I tried to draw my existence according to a deterministic point of view. The first Box points to the second and so on...First Box is ME, or I. I am tapping into the second box Awareness, which through I can see my stream of thoughts 3rd Box. The third Box can be reality, its a mixture of thoughts and feeling, ideas, vision, with INPUT and OUTPUT arrows on the margin (signifying a deterministic universe). After I reasoned with my chart, I realized that the FIRST BOX and the THIRD BOX are the SAME. Which would leave awareness all by itself viewing the third box. That is going META on the awareness idea, which drowns out any *ideas* I have about anything of it. Being more realistic, I view the *void* as a absent of thought. I feel a feeling when I *feel* the void. It is above sight itself. I compare it too hunting, having to stalk an animal and quietly line up the cross hairs. During this moment I am *thoughtless* and I feel aware, There is nothing to label, just peace. The more I think about it Walt, the harder it gets to explain. That is the only progress I have made.

Interesting self observation

I've spent 6 years at my college with 2 more to go because I had your attitude. I also said I would attend lectures lol. Became a engineer and study hard. This enlightenment stuff is not going to be as useful to you without some serious core skills. If I could give advice to my past 18 year old self about to head to college I would say drop the enlightenment stuff and study personal finance and memory development. Those will affect you in much more positive ways.