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I could try to sell 'nothing' but it is not in my DNA. Each to their own I guess. Let people have their own direct experience. But let me tell you.. most will never grok it. Jed sells the Dream of enlightenment. Pink elephant. The lure is too strong. Good night, P.

P, the real questions,, why he needed the business proposals.. why he wanted an ashram, and I said this would never happen.. and it will not, unless he drops his annonymity, which is highly unlikely. I asked him why anonymity, when I already know him, and hence.. what else is behind this crazy desire to keep a secret? What is he hiding from? I asked him about his little adventures here in Cam. I asked him why he spent 12 years in SE Asia, and I know from experience what white dudes do here. I asked him why he blocked the search facility for non members on the forum only two days after I mentioned it, and he denied this was in any way connected. I asked him if he saw me in Snooky, and he came up with a story which was not true. I asked him why he said he said he was in xx when in reality he was still in Cambodia, and I showed him how I know... etc. etc. etc. The endless list of lies, and for what? I asked him real questions, and with each lie or half baked reply I started to see the Reality behind it all. And then there was completely nothing, even though I had already been cooked two years prior. The final piece fell into place. Jed knows I see what he sees, but he will say I am crazy, Never mind. I wasn;t crazy when he came to check me out without even telling me. Sherlock Homes. I am mirroring to him what he is, and he is policing the forum now and has set up his shop in the open. I see the Game. Once upon a time I didn;t see any of it, but I have an inquisitive mind and a very good bs detector. He knows that too. Deeds versus words. Words are a penny a dozen. Reality is a good teacher. And I got the final piece of the puzzle.

I asked him the real questions. The ones he couldn;t answer. From that - I got it all.

There is not contrast. Every 'teacher' out htere says the same stuff, but expresses it differently. Jed expressed it with force, that is all. He also said 'All is available for direct knowing' That is correct. He cannot give you or anyone what is already there. You only need to start asking questions, REAL questions, not the conceptual questioning which is what he is doing now. Why? Because if real questions are asked - the Game is over. Jed needs to eat too.

Hey, there is a time limit on posting, it makes one wait. Sorry for the delays. You don;t seem to see how this works. I can tell a thousand times 'Do not think of the pink elephant, and that's all you will end up thinking about' The deeds are what proves the point, not the world. If there is no pink elephant - why talk about it, write about it, have Navs Series about it? Huh?

How... let's see.. if you know there is nothing in the end of it all, but reality of what already is.. would you shell the money for this knowledge?

The Navigator, yes. The forum has been nothing but a recruitment ground. One of the very first rants Jed made when he opned it was 'Requests for Business Ventures' where he asked people to write to him with possible suggestions. That is another thing which I don;t know of.. yet. He deleted that one recently, but I have a copy somewhere. Books provide income, but not as much as you would like to think. And Cambodian medical system, if to the Western standard - is ferousously expensive. Ohterwise one would die here, expats suffle off the mortal coil here every week, some cannot afford the treatment., and Jed is not that young.

Jed got that, but he will not tell anyone about the last piece of the puzzle. It is very difficult to sell 'nothing' without giving it a name, and in his books he gave it plenty of names. He is a highly intelligent man.

Yes. There is nothing, but hwat you sense, feel, touch, perceive. That's all there is. That's all there has ever been. That's all there ever will be. Then you die

You see.. this is what keeps the Game going. Chasing own tail into eternity. In the meantime.. Jed likes Indian curries and beer and other things. Enlightenment doesn;t bother him much

Yes, it is possible to talk about the concepts of 'enlightenment', 'spirituality' etc. Internet forums are full of people endlessly debating this. 'Spiritual teachers', those who REALLY saw there is nothing to see - enjoy the game of extraction. Truth IS in the specifics of each human. Can you tell me what lies beyond that?

Of course, I have a normal job. I need to eat and I am not in a hurry to part ways with this world I don;t consider it a waste. I enjoy uncovering the real human truth. What else is there to do?

You take from it what resonates - and leave the rest. I don't think I have a choice in the matter. All my best.

I don't take offence. It has all been killed, you can be as frank as you need to, I prefer that. As to your question on why bother.. I am allergic to lies. There is no other explanation. Jed's life, personal or not - is Reality. I am not interested in the mind made, illusory stuff of books and man made image. The image is cultivated in the minds of others for one reason only - personal benefit. Gurus don;t have 'normal' jobs, why bother when gullible humans can send money to a third name to some stranger in Cambodia via Western Union, of all things? They have no ability to think for themsleves. I do.

All the recent changes he made on the forum - were because of me.

I will arite about how I managed to reverse engineer him and see what is behind the Mask. Last time we bumped into one another in Snooky - he ran. Physically. Very mature.

It is a new form of cult where a guru can be physically absent, and everything is controlled so easily, with a click of a button. Jed deletes absolutely every post that questions him in any way. We fell out once on the forum in 2014 when i began to question him, but 'made up' withing a day. Why expose... well, think of all the guru worshipped and adored, who benefit from it enormously, Then some scandal takes place, usually of unsavory nature. Why do they get worshipped? Because very few know the real person behinfd the image. In Jed's case - he made this into an art form. Yet.. he is the man, with all resultant actions. Do not get me wrong.. he is fully realised. His audiences - are not.

Here.. I left this note 18 days ago, but people still keep asking: https://enlightenmentmyth.com/2017/06/05/a-note-on-jed-mckenna-section/ And Jed got the link to the website last week. I never made it a secret.

I understand. I am no follower either. Jed got this one very early on from me, I haven't opened the Jed section to anyone yet. I get requests daily.There are some physical reasons for it, as well as this... I would like to collect facts. Nothing but the facts, aside from my personal encounters with him. But for some reason everyone prefers to keep all to themselves. There are people who did the Navs. There are people who some time in the distant part met Jed. There are people who communicate with him, as I did for a long time. There are poeple who skyped with him... Yet... nothing. I can't understand this. The mystery keeps it going, and all seems to add to the mystery, when there is NO mystery of Jed at all. Frankly, I am in two minds about it. Do I just open it, or do I ask people to contribute some info before they can see his physical ID.. don't know yet. My account of how I came to know him, and the correspondence will be available anyway. Just the photos that I can;t decide on. I looked in the web archive, no images. It seems not to keep them anymore for Jed webs, just the links. But I remember this image and the name real well, this is why I posted here.

I am not recruiting. I found it a tad difficult to know what I came to know - on my own, hence the website. If people come and look and decide for themself - that is all the intent. The real Jed, outside of his book and forum image. The username Pinocchio' and the same image was on Jed's old forum. I was never a member of that one, but read a few times, before he closed it down. I can try to find the link, but only through the web archive, since the site is now closed. There may not be a page saved with this particular image.

I remember your user name from the forum. You sound hostile in the above.

THIS is what 'Kill the Buddha means', in real life, not in the realm of human imagination: www.enlightenmentmyth.com I met Jed. All Is Lie.

Life is going on here, nothing more. Here is Jed: http://www.enlightenmentmyth.com I am looking for those who got to know him as I did. Ran into him in Cam a few times.

You used to be the Jed forum member. Perhaps, still are? Jed keeps a tight grip on it. I ran into him in Cambodia a few times. http://www.enlightenmentmyth.com

Thank you. I will find my way around eventually.