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the most surprising thing about 5meo is the after effects, when i go asleep i am going in and out of different states. also physically i feel different, more expanded sense of self and less thoughts

had a 5meo breakthrough just now, lasted bot 15mins, there is nothing i can say about what happened in those 15mins. but when i opened my eyes it seemed like i was being born, like i was opening my eyes for the first time

what i am saying is the dmt experience was like a 5meo experience. i didnt have visuals with either. no entities nothing like that. i had 50mg of dmt in the pipe.

i have done 5meo and dmt a few times. done dmt today and it was the same experience as 5meo, @Leo Gura i remember you saying something about when you do 5meo it changes the effect of other psychedelics you do in future

oh i am very concerned about it, i used that term because, what i am suggesting here seems very far fetched, that there isnt a physical world and an image you have in your mind of a tree is just as real a tree you would see in '' real '' life. but at the same time what i am suggesting here is in line with direct experience but not in line with what thought says. i want enlightenment because i want out of suffering. if you are happy and content in life there is no point in persueing enlightenment

@old soul, i dont know how deep you are willing to go on this enlightenment jazz, but the idea behind it is that real and unreal dont exist there is just experience, there is no physical world and matter doesnt exist. so a dream you had lastnight is just as '' real '' as your waking experience, because they are both just made out of the experience of them, the same would apply for tripping on drugs.

I have smoked 5meo never snorted. smoked about 20mg. it was a crazy spectacular beautiful experience, i didnt get any meaning from it. when i do it i feel abit disappointed like im supposed to feel like i experienced god and get all this meaning from it people talk about. why did you find smoking it bad

at this stage for me it seems like the mind is using these self observation/ self inquiry questions as a sneaky way to perpetuate itself, these questions make the mind feel useful and give it something to do. one pointed concentration on the self is torture for the mind, it makes the mind redundant.

ya about 40 smoked. im not sure if snorting freebase works, i heard another guy saying he snorted freebase and felt nothing

@Afonso I think i know where you got your 5-meo from, its freebase form so you will need to smoke it. i had to do about 40mg to get a breakthrough experience

the answer is there is no one who is aware of reality, reality is self aware. its like in a dream, the character in the dream isnt aware, only the dream is aware, the dream is made of the knowing of it. there is nothing in a dream that has its own independent existence apart from the experience of it, the dream and the knowing of the dream is the exact same thing. being = knowing = known you exist(being) you are aware( knowing of what is known) what would existence/being be without the knowing of it what would knowing be without existence/being

@stevegan928 for the last year i have had lots of facial tension when meditating or contemplating, I think it is the 'I' feeling being purged from the body. 90% of the separate 'I' is in the feelings in the body. and the more that is purged the more relaxation there is in the body, thats my experience anyway.

@Motus you are so wise !

@Leo Gura i think this video is a good summary of Maharshi's technique. I am confused though, a lot of teachers say dont try to stop thought its counterproductive. but this seems to be what Maharshi was advocating. thought arises, inquire into who has the thought, the one who has the thought cant be found as a result thought disappears, and the goal is to stay in this no thought state as long as possible as often as possible until you realize your true nature.

@Leo Gura what is the difference between this self observation technique and self inquiry as taught by Ramana Maharishi ?

look into the 'I am' meditation, its something that can be done all day with some formal practice of it.

@Leo Gura if you say 5meo is the ultimate psychedelic, what is the value in taking mushrooms, and have you taken ayahuasca before and if so what do you make of it?

id like to do ayahuasca or mushrooms, but its not practical with my living situation. i have done dmt and 5meo but they are fine cos it only lasts 10mins or so, so its easy for me to keep it hidden.

tried 5-meo for the second time today, the first time wasnt what i was expecting, it wasnt that intense or profound. this time it was the most intense, profound, beautiful experience i have ever had. i had a friend there with me who said it lasted for 3 minutes but it felt like eternity. It was an enjoyable experience, made me want to do it again.

@Neo i dont think there are any health risks with dmt or 5meo, as long as you dont do too much or too often. I am better for doing them, they def help to break down the ego.

@AlwaysBeNice it was about 15mg, although i am sceptical of the quality of it. @Neo it seems like you are anti drugs, have you done these substances yourself, or have you been brain washed into thinking all illegal drugs are bad for you.

just do it, its not that big a deal. I found normal dmt far more intense than 5-meo-dmt. dmt was the first psychedelic i done and i found it abit traumatic at the time, but had good long term effects.

@Mat Pav about a year ago i was reading a direct pointing book and had a sudden realization that the self was a concept, there is no controller of thoughts and the body, and there is no experiencer just experience. it didnt seem like i done anything to make it happen it just seemed to happen before i knew what was going on. overtime as i see no me again and again the experience of no controller and no experiencer is becoming more apparent. I have not had this self realization experience you talk about of getting a sense of what i am, the nothingness.

and then you have people like Eckhart tolle who ask one question '' I cant live with myself, who is the one I cant live with '' and become enlightened. and others like nisargadatta maharaj and shinzen young who do it in 3 ~ 4 years. its not one size fits all, seems some people are more prone to it than others.

@Azrael when you say there is nothing you can do or can not do to become enlightened, do you mean cos there is know one here to do anything or become enlightened, or that it doesnt matter if practice takes place or not enlightenment is just as likely to happen either way.