Joseph Maynor

I don't see a dichotomy between self help and spiritual enlightenment. I see them as two sides of one coin.

Emmanuel Levinas

I feel like Truth is not about needing to know more than anyone. It's a spiritual groundedness that makes Love (and furthermore Beauty) possible because you're not insecure spiritually. Truth is a spiritual pillar. Knowing more than anyone butts up against Love, which is not full integration of Love.

This one helped me a lot when I first got into self help. "Success Is a Choice: Ten Steps to Overachieving in Business and Life" by Rick Pitino

I've had this discussion for years. Case in point the no self ego or the no separate self ego.

If I had to pick two that resonated most for me: "The Path of Least Resistance: Learning to Become the Creative Force in Your Own Life" by Robert Fritz I love this one too: "The Creative Act: A Way of Being" by Rick Rubin

Isn't this moral situationism? In other words, morality is when I feel like it. You seem to be mixing identity between the Absolute and the finite I of you in the world.

I love this video. This emphasizes the practice method (Ethics) of The Buddha. Most people focus on the metaphysics of Buddhism.

But who has completely broken free? You still present in a finite form, no? That thought of "completely breaking free" might be conceptual knowledge as you describe. Maybe enlightenment is different from that idea.

Even if moral realism is true, everyone falls short of doing the right thing much of the time. You can see people's actions and generally get a sense as to how much they value morality though. People do differ in how much respect they give to morality. Some like to give the illusion of morality (even excessive morality) and then act very differently behind the scenes.

Some people will take the there is no morality thing as an excuse to not temper their morality. If there is no good or bad, then anything goes and therefore I have a pass to basically act without questioning the conduct or feeling blame or shame. When the ego gets a hold of there is no morality, it can become problematic with certain individuals. It can set up a stance that there is only morality if I feel like it situationally.

I think I found a way to take the argument out of morality in the following way. Not saying I agree with this, but I thought about it and am trying to steelman it. Truth is Reality itself Reality = God / Absolute Misalignment = self-deception Self-deception = suffering / corruption So alignment with Truth isn’t “moral”, it’s structural. It's more like metaphysical hygiene.

This is making it way too complicated. All you have to do is observe that someone is making ought statements assumed to be universally epistemologically valid.

Have you invented morality in your communications?

Can you summarize your position and I will respond.

I'm kinda over hiding morality. This is ridiculous.

Yes. But you're assuming that is wrong, no?

I still feel like morality is being brought in thru the back door with the fox is guarding the hen-house idea. Why not openly admit moral realism?

I disagree. I think Love includes love. Just like Truth contains truth.

I don't feel that way, but then again I don't know you well.

Actually for me nature has been pretty good. I've had my issues of course.

It's interesting how you say from our perspective.