Joseph Maynor

@Anna1 Making a distinction between experiencer and experienced is also concept. I'm not saying you did that, but it's kinda hard not to want to do this. Most people do this.

Just curious. How is my Atman related to your Atman? If this is True, is my awareness the same as your awareness? If not, how do you explain the discrepancy?

Start to study enlightenment.

You are both and neither and even this sentence has to eat itself.

@Anna1 I appreciate your answers and I know language makes it look like our positions are firmer than they really are. The nature of discourse itself is a give and take, a dualistic act. Like 2 monkeys sqwaking at each other!

@Anna1 Ok. Yes. But You still imply an answer though. Don't imply an answer. That would be truly neutral.

@Anna1 Even this is a position though. You are advocating a view not just remaining on-ice about it. To say there is no possible answer is an answer. The true skeptic would laugh at this kind of trap. Watch

Highly recommended. Listen to the audiobook on Audible.

@Ramu The tricky thing for me is why does reality need to know itself and trap me thereby, and then I have to claw-back to come home into reality fully again. This seems to be the meaning of life. But why does reality impose that self-realization need on itself? It's like reality unfolded, and then it needed to unfold itself again for each human being on Earth who has self-realized.

@Dodo This is so true. Everybody wants to have the last word to win. Need to be right. Need to solve the problem. Need to make the last intelligent point. Need to be the one to put the issue to bed. See? That makes me right. Now my ego gets to feel good for 5 minutes too.

Here's another great video on point. Watch.

@Ramu But even that is a concept. The true skeptic drops even that conception. Or he holds it loosely if he does hold it, not like a fact but more like a useful rule of thumb. This is tricky to do because we want to know, to have a definitive fact, to settle the issue, to be right. But that's another part of the illusion right there. Another piece of the problem.

Not necessarily. If SOUL is a true skeptic, then his claim is not dogmatic but extremely openminded.

Here you go. Leo explains it here: https://www.actualized.org/insights/just-scaffolding

@Anna1 It's so great that we can communicate effectively on here. Language is so ambiguous and it takes a great tight-rope walker to keep meaning in check. There is so much room for projection and argumentation in communication via writing.

@SOUL That only resonates with the monkey-mind perspective.

@Prabhaker I agree. Brahman is the only destination.

@Natasha You are the awareness of experience. And the increasing consciousness. You as a process of increasing awareness.

@Natasha When I see the limits of existence when I meditate I smile and think. Wow, it's just this easy! This is all there is? Cool! Nothing to worry about. We all exist in a small, plain, white room -- even if we don't realize it. The space of the soul.

@SOUL Yes. I am a manipulator! You caught me

@Anna1 You need to burn-out need to know. That takes as long as it needs to take for each person. Paradoxically, it is by knowing a lot that you come to the conclusion of the limits of knowing. Otherwise you're just a dogmatist, because it is not first-person knowledge for you.

@Loreena I feel like the lower mode can be completely transcended. I know some among us are skeptical of this. Brahman is the prespectiveless perspective. That is possible for you. Anything less would be a distinction and thus an illusion.

Here's the thing. You need a huge amount of theory to become enlightened. This is the taboo truth that a lot of people do not want to admit. And you know what, let's stop bullshitting ourselves about this. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the end of this stupid denial. Why the hell are we perpetuating some anti-theory perspective on enlightenment? Enlightenment can be explained in a pamphlet. I've seen it done. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jnana_yoga Hare Krishna dancers in Florence. I saw this when I was there. Changed my life. Florence. You're crazy not to go there at least once. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence

Go for it. Don't do anything I wouldn't do. I live in San Francisco so I've seen everything.

@Dodo But do the definitions paint a useful picture? How does your experience relate to that picture? Can you draw an interesting line of creative energy that would at a minimum entertain me?