Joseph Maynor

Ignorance can also be conceived as doing or clinging to something dumb that you think is worthwhile.

The Mind.

I don't think Spiral Dynamics is necessarily tied to the Ego-Mind's urge to feel superior to other Ego-Minds. You can have the motive to grow be an independent and distinct motive from the motive to feel superior to other Egos. One's desire to grow can come from within, not necessary from a desire to artificially fill a kind of interpersonal deficiency need.

Start to get yourself on a daily routine. You might benefit from having an accountability partner.

I feel like I'm in the space in my life where an intimate relationship with a woman is really causing me a lot of growth. But think this depends on the particular Path of the person.

I agree with this. Bingo friend. I see many Stage Blue, Orange, Green folks thinking they are much higher up on the Spiral than they really are. They're deluding themselves. You're not at Yellow unless and until you can learn to think paradoxically and know what that really means and practice that in your actual conceptual understanding practice and interpersonal conduct. You get my award for the best insight of the year so far. If you're still stuck in linear, black and white thinking, you're not at Yellow -- you're probably some combination of Blue, Orange, and Green thinking you're much higher than that.

I think it's important to realize that we all get triggered if the right set of circumstances present themselves at a certain time for us. That should cause us to be more humble and lenient, which I think it does do that when we really sit down and think about it. Enlightenment does not make you a morally perfect human being. It's the Mind that idealizes Enlightenment into a kind of moralistic perfection.

Ignorance is when you have yet to discover being and do significant work to transcend the Ego-Mind.

People are not illusions. What is that which says that people are illusions? That's the Mind saying that. The Mind is that which says things are this or that.

You need to compose a diet. Here's mine. Diet.pdf

Just be straight up with her and tell her asap. Don't delay telling her. And make sure you talk to her as much as she needs to talk to you. She will be disappointed, but that's to be expected.

I don't think Yellow or Turquoise necessarily synthesize many perspectives. That's not really a condition for Yellow or Turquoise in my view. Yellow and Turquoise appreciate perspectives but that doesn't mean that they necessarily synthesize or integrate perspectives.

Please. I haven't posted a question on the Forum in a while so please be kind to this question. I want your list; don't post me someone else's list or even be so much concerned with someone else's list.

@mandyjw

This is exactly how I feel and why I kinda wanna stay away from discussing Enlightenment with other people for a while. I started to feel gross at myself too. Like, what the hell am I arguing for. It's easy to fall into the trap of becoming kind of an evangelist of your own view of Enlightenment. And that feels good on the surface, but it causes deep pain at a deeper level, and then it's hard to break free from that because you kind of get addicted to it. It's like being addicted to a partner in a bad relationship. It's a very conflicting kind of thing. On the one hand you still get something out of a bad relationship, but you also get a lot of misery too. And then I started to realize, why am I doing this? Am I really advancing the kind of ball that I think I am? See, in my mind, I had this kind of savior's attitude that other people needed my insights. But I'm not so sure how that actually played out. I mean, it would be interesting to find out if I did actually help others or if that was mostly just not the case. I've really only had a few people tell me that they learned something from me. So, here I am playing the martyr, and for what? Does it make me feel good? Not really. It kinda makes me feel stressed. It kinda makes me feel like I'm trying to prove myself. But I don't need to prove myself. There's absolutely no reason for me to need to prove myself or to fight with anyone else at all. It's sick that the Ego-Mind even wants to go there and then get stuck there beating a dead horse until either someone shoots me or I shoot someone else. This is why Zen Masters will punch you in the face. It's hard to wake up when you're stuck in the Ego-Mind. It's like being stuck in a bad relationship, it's hard to even know how to pull yourself out of that or to even muster the will to do so. Something really dramatic almost has to happen to you for it to happen. And then you go, oh shit, I was caught up. And that wasn't how I wanna live or how I wanna be. I'm so glad my Ego-Mind got popped out of that, because I was stuck in it again. I go through cycles like this from time to time. Usually it's when I'm integrating new insights and I feel like I wanna share those lessons with others, which initially comes from a good place and a noble place. But then after fighting with people for a while, the Ego-Mind kinda takes over and I become zealous and evangelical and not very Enlightened or kind as a result. And then I go back to not really wanting to talk about Enlightenment for a while. So, there's these cycles with me. I think teaching sometimes does me a disservice. Sometimes I wonder if I should just give up teaching Enlightenment one on one and just stick to my writings which don't trigger me in that way. It's that one on one teaching Enlightenment that tends to do me in the longer I play that role. Somehow the Ego-Mind gets caught up and gets more arrogant and cock-sure and interpersonally abusive as a result. But that is not the way I wanna be at all. That's not healthy for me, let alone other people. It makes me look pathetic and like a madman as well as the persons I am arguing with.

I see I'm not the only one who gets triggered on occasion.

My current master list of personal development topics that I wanna work on in the immediate future: intimate relationships Enlightenment Being just Love Emotions Right action (Ethics) Compassion Kindness Taking into Account People's Limitations Decency Enlightenment as a refuge for the narcissistic Ego-Mind Transcendence of the Ego Transcendence of the Mind Metaphysics and pictures of reality The pros and cons of subconscious programming Friendship Spiral Dynamics Teaching/ the pros and cons of teaching/ getting off the tit of teaching Being present Emotional mastery -- removing neurosis, becoming more love Understanding ourselves through relationship Family time

Ooh. I like this. I'm gonna steal this topic haha.

Thanks to everyone who participated in this. My top 10 favorites from what you listed: Family time Spiral Dynamics Finance Friends Intimate relationships Creativity Self expression -- authenticity Teaching/ being the best pointer Being present Emotional mastery -- removing neurosis, becoming more love

@kieranperez I'm not a fan of Orange either, but Orange has an integrity that Green lacks and Green has an integrity that Orange lacks.

@kieranperez Green has this Jesus Complex, but it's not coming from as pure of a place as they like to think it does. They don't see their own Ego-Mind and how that's functioning clearly. Orange is too focused on themselves and Green is not focusing enough on themselves. Green plays the social martyr so as to avoid focusing on themselves: finding a pathway to feed their own Egos and to feel superior to everyone else. Orange feeds their Egos by attaining and obtaining actual things in their own lives.

The hardest thing is to figure out what to do with your hands. I sleep on my back and like to keep my hands on my chest. I also don't cross my feet, I make sure they're straight and not crossed. I also do this thing where I have a firm pillow under my head and a soft pillow over my head, so my head is held in the pillows almost like a clam. This keeps my head from flopping around as I sleep.

Ok I see. I'm thinking more of social moralizing in the interpersonal sense. You're right, but we're talking about two different things.

Give it another shot. Maybe you can keep a notebook or something and note down all these issues so you can identify them and work on them with him one at a time. Prioritize the issues and deal with the most urgent ones first. It sounds like you guys have something there, it just needs to be tweaked. Corrections still need to be made to bring the relationship into deeper authenticity. But I think you can take the laboring oar and locate the key issues to work on and deal with those with him first, so you're not trying to do everything at once and thereby doing everything badly because you're trying to do everything at once. You can organize the issues in your relationship, put them into a punchlist, and tick them off one at a time as you monitor and deal with them. You can even make a project binder with a single page for each issue, and you can note your ongoing progress as to each issue in the project binder. That's a little hardcore, but relationships are important, and in those cases you gotta be organized with how you expend your energy and what you work on.