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I hear you brother, 5 years to finishing understanding that.

It took me years (3-4) of training to get to the point where meditation is not a choir. I've used several methods because it was almost impossible to silence my mind. The helpful one's: Guided meditations, Music meditations, walking meditations. Nowadays I do these just for fun, whereas my biggest accomplishments come from straight silent hours. It takes time and patience, but most of all it takes commitment. It is important to notice how everyone gets attuned to meditation differently. Some of us have jobs or careers that get us stimulated/thinking all the time. That was the case for me, for sure. When you're not meditating for the sake of just finishing your daily routines, that's when it becomes easy to silence your mind in my experience. Be specific about 'why' you're doing it. Take your time, be patient, don't give up.

This will be a fun little topic, but don't forget what it's meant here. I have been discussing ovwer 90 hours in my life time about non-duality with people who just need a light to see it. Serious stuff. Psychologists , philosophers, historians can't get their mind around it. What do you say we bring together some of the best resposes to it? Reminder: Don't judge people below you and don't make this topic an excuse from the real interal work.

I have been using Kundalini Yoga methods for a couple of years now. This is definitely true. It can grow you spiritually almost as as fast as it can backfire.

Got it Leo @Leo Gura. There are many things that could be said. But got it. This is perhaps the best advice yet. As long as I see myself as other, I will judge and I will need to manipulate. When I see it, it becomes unneccessary. I cannot half-ass reality. I have to go all in to surrender myself. I cannot care/love the experience if I don't accept it. I have to let go of manipulating entirely to progress. Thanks. This really reminds of the Radical implications of reality episode. there's no way to progress from here mantaining my way of seeing two.

Having known and encontered many dragons on this jorney, I feel that just surrending deeply doesn't solve it. It's always there. This work is so deep it changes you, it humbles you, it turns you out. How do does one stop manipulating? How does one stop this process?

But Leo @Leo Gura Is that really fear? Is manupulation really done out of fear? This question sounds simple but it isn't. You must know hundreds if not thousands of people that manipulate as soon as they grow. I'm trying to move forward.

I really hope that Leo makes an episode just entirely about this. Please let him know too if you feel the same. The more I grow, The more I seek enlightenment is really the more I get humble, mesmerized and at one with infinity. I see people clear as water now. Of course, I have much to learn still, but this is really becoming a theme. The more people grow, the more they are able to surrender into self-bias and fake reality.

Chim...

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

For fans of the Pareidolia effect: The interesting thing is that no matter how cool the video seems, we do this on a Daily bases. Here's a cool report for lucid dreaming which has everything to do with it: https://steemit.com/blog/@adrianachenille/hypnagogic-and-hypnopompic-hallucinations-my-experience Keep an open-mind to understand this. In Leo's voice: "We are doing something very different here with Actualized.org..."

Personal experience is a thought story. But you must understand that there's nothing wrong with that. This is kind of a enlightenment in itself. You can become at peace with your experience when you have a personal experience with it. But you do not existed. Never have, never will be. Wheneven I'm in doubt, I remember it's all pointless. But it's also the coolest, deepest thing a human been can ever see. We can't be both spiritual and ungrateful. "In the time of your life, live—so that in that good time there shall be no ugliness or death for yourself or for any life your life touches. Seek goodness everywhere, and when it is found, bring it out of the hiding place and let it be free and unashamed Place in matter and in flesh the least of the values, for these are the things that hold death and must pass away. Discover in all things that which shines and is beyond corruption. Encourage virtue in whatever heart it may have been driven into secrecy and sorrow by the shame and terror of the world. Ignore the obvious, for it is unworthy of the clear eye and the kindly heart Be the inferior of no man, nor of any men be superior. Remember that every man is a variation of yourself. No man's guilt is not yours, nor is any man's innocence a thing apart. Despise evil and ungodliness, but not men of ungodliness or evil. These, understand. Have no shame in being kindly and gentle but if the time comes in the time of your life to kill, kill and have no regret In the time of your life, live—so that in that wondrous time you shall not add to the misery and sorrow of the world, but shall smile to the infinite delight and mystery of it." ― William Saroyan, The Time Of Your Life"

@Leightonm I apologize if it sounded that I know more than I do,