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@smd I know! At least answer the last one...

@Vytas Yes, it is. @smd "Extremes seem to be a dual-edged sword. You might be rewarded or perhaps find yourself dead or sharing a prison cell with Bubba. hahaha." be rewarded? sounds reactive to me. isn't the key question if you take responsability for your actions, life, reality? "I just wanted to report about a guy on mushrooms, the lighter psychedelic, just recently killed his gf." how are mushrooms a "lighter" psychedelic? "He was an SJW, pro-feminist, and shot a feminist." how is that fact relevant in this discussion? "Perhaps he never would have done that if he didn't do the mushrooms?" Maybe yes. On the other hand, he never would have done if he didnt had ptsd and was on shrooms? or he never would have done it if he was on shrooms with ptsd and his gf was not a feminist? or he would have done it without shrooms, with ptsd and his feminist gf having sex with other guys? etc. "I'm not judging guys! " Then why write that sentence? Who is responsable for the actions/descisions one makes in life? poverty? society? drugs? guns laws? free speech? hate speech?

@Annetta nope. it's ivolved in about 70% of all acts of violence... (don't nail me to the exact number)

@smd You know, there are studies related to drugs and violence... Can you guess which drug is related the most to acts of violence? Are you saying, that taking drugs is stripping one from responsability of action? Do you think, there is an inherent quality in psychoactive substances that causes people to be violent?

@OBEler I only said, don't take psychedelics with ptsd for recreational purposes... LSD can be a very effective cure for ptsd. But only with professional help. Doing it alone without knowing exactly what to do, it CAN backfire tremendiously. Seek either a therapist who does psycholithic psychotherapy or someone who already did it. Depending on what's the cause for ptsd, the therapy will be very different. And even then, "normal" trauma therapy should be done. psychedelics can offer a shortcut but to strenghten the new imprints, conventional therapy is also advised to be taken imho.

The OP is absolutely not rational but posting out of emotionality. Leo is making a strawman argument by misrepresenting the OP's concerns about the topic and then putting up his strawman: "You see how rationality plays tricks on you?" First of all, the OP's arguments are not rational at all, lacking basic logical thinking and showing his bias and emotion regarding the topic. Thus his "rationality" isn't playing any tricks on him, rather his lack of it. "I dare you to name one technology which has not resulted in the deaths of at least hundreds of people." This is the strawman. If the OP cannot answer this question, his argument is dead. If he answers it, his argument is dead aswell. But the concern, that psychedelics CAN be dangerous in the wrong hands, trigger latent psychological issues, is avoided.

@smd I am doing psychedelics over 22 years now and i can give you this advice: Don't underestimate their power. mushrooms, LSD, DMT etc. are powerful substances and not toys to play around. They can have serious impact on the mind. They have the potential to let you see the truth but they can make you delusional and megalomaniacal aswell. psychedelics are tools and like a knife or a hammer, can be used for multiple purposes. If you got a psychological disorder like ptsd, they should not be taken for recreational purposes. Also they could trigger a latent shizophrenia or psychosis if someone has a high vulnerability.

Yes, i am able to see paramatman in everything and everyone. Still i will have to provide food for my body. To deny that is denial of reality. Talking about something unspeakable is playing wordgames. It leads to a funny paradox inconsistency, "fighting" the ego and at the same time making money for a wealthy lifestyle. There is nothing wrong with that if you are consistent. Talking about to overcome reality and the ego and at the same time embracing it, judging others is hypocrisy. Saying the body is illusion and at the same time providing healthy food for it is hypocrisy. Either you are in a constant state of brahman - total enlighenment, or if you are not, accept dual reality, otherwise it leads to a shizophrenic, dangerous mindset.

imo if one is not able anymore to watch this video untill the end, he lost critical thinking and doesnt want to be confronted with legitimate points. What is the difference in this guys tone and way he makes fun of leo, and leo's passive-agressive way of not answering my questions in my topic and indirectly telling me, that if i pursue in questioning "spiritual truths" i am wrapped in "insanity, falsehood etc", "acting like a dog" (identifying as human is like falsely identifying as a dog (or napoleon)). One could say that leo only wanted to pinch my ego by saying it acts like a dog, triggering a reaction that ultimately would prove his point of the ego taking itself to seriously. So this video and the way the guy rants could be the same to you, not watching and listening to his points, because it "hurts" your ego. Questioning authority is a mayor part of true self-growth. And all these threads here, saying one must have humour etc. and you not able of watching the whole video because of the guys very light-hearted approach, exposing hypocrisy here...

Due to "coincidence" i spontaniously "experienced" "absolute infinity", brahman or "that what cannot be named". It opened up many doors and showed me the nature of all. Intuition is the key and to distinguish it from delusion is sometimes difficult. But in all the years it goes better and better and i "achieve" things without achieving them. effort without effort. I am still on the way to understand it. I respect authority but i go with what is in the end of veda or vedanta: if your experience is contrary to scriptures and authority, follow your experience! Thank you very much for your insights and lighthearted discussion on the topic. :-)

@Leo Gura when i ask questions that is delusional, insane and false? i perceive this as a projection of you. now, we could debate this with no meaning to it, letting our egos free but i wont fall in this trap... My question is legit and giving no room to philosophical questions about a topic seems rather authoritian and dogmatic.

@Leo Gura we established that "illusion" is the construction of atoms being there to a form and a name like "tree". does that mean that the tree is not to be experienced? who says that the "false" identification of "being" a human being is to be overcomed? And why is this "material" world/multiverse there in the first place? to overcome it?

@abrakamowse " if there's something, it must come from nothing." The moment i "came back" from this "experience" and got back my ego, language and mind i knew that the smallest dot or letter i utter to try to describe brahman IS NOT brahman. even the word "brahman" is not brahman. it just is. the word that is the farthest away from it is "nothing". maybe it is again the problem, that this word no-thing in its original meaning and etymos of sanskrit is not translatable. "being" "in" the body appears to be objective real. that i AM not my body is clear. "knowing" what i am is an intellectual process and imo is not possible to really get brahman bec. intellect again works through words. words are not it. does it make sense then to seek out brahman? is it even possible to "seek" it? isn't it like a child wanting to go back in the belly of its mother? avoiding the pain of the "real" world?

It's like the ultimate goal, holy grail of spiritualism is to separate from the structurized world. but why? could there be a mis-understanding? I saw one picture that made me think and change my mind. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva descending into Manu. not the other way round. "gods" are concepts, ideals bt devoid of "realness" in the sense of "real" of our multidimensional, structured world with time, action reaction. could it be that we, manu, are the manifested concept of these ideals/gods/demons/ideas?

words are so difficult. i know that brahman can not "grow" because it just is. touched and untouched, everything and nothing. still "we" are from it, one and separated at the same time.