kieranperez

Do you read the original post that started this thread before you post something completely different from the original topic LOL?

I feel like this has almost a direct explanation on why there are so many crazy stories in human history of people flagellating and pretty much full on torturing themselves. - Which is to say, they're torturing and flagellating themselves to get to the point that their consciousness and degree of mindfulness is so attuned to what's going on that they no longer are being tortured and are no longer suffering.

As though either of you actually know me or my own story. As though I really went into depth on my actual plans in my life. As though any of that is any of your business. I love how you 2 just think I'm going to just become some YouTuber that copy and pastes Leo's content, as though that was what I was saying or what my post was even about. Have you realized yet that the reason so many people on here are inspired by things like becoming a sage, enlightenment, self-mastery, philosophy, and/or self-actualization is because that's good marketing? "Find the people who are looking for you." That's well executed niche marketing. That's what running a business is. I also am inspired by people like Peter Ralston and enlightened people that were able to use their consciousness work and facilitate that into their own field in athletics given the fact that I myself am an athlete (runner). Easy to judge and project though. I know. I've been there hopefully you work on that

My questions are directly related to what Leo pointed out in his video at the time mark I listed. You can “die” multiple times but that doesn’t mean you’re conscious of that just like one is not conscious of what god is and such. I’ve lucid dreamed before but there’s still lack of “witnessing”. These comments are not addressing the question.

“This is unamerican”

That was Wei Wu Wei. Ralston just quoted him

These are excellent as well, also from Integral Life

How would you describe and distinguish the similarities and differences between a sage and a mystic? I feel like the similarities are more clear rather than the differences. I don't want to brush over this as I can intuit on a more subtle level certain differences that seem to be very hard to articulate. As you give your answer, would love to get some of your examples of who you would call a mystic and a sage.

I think this thread is getting away from my point. I'm not talking about Jesus's teachings per say or the nonduality component. I'm talking about the man himself, his story, studying his own development and he came to be relatively. I actually have thought about it and I'm glad you brought up the open-mindedness component as I think that would be the key to get the larger and more important juice out of something like that and really to put into context what's being said and also to weed out the bullshit from the nuggets of wisdom.

First off - I’m honestly startled inside that I’m asking this. 2-3 years ago I was pretty much the most hard nosed atheist you would ever meet that would love to shit on theists and listened to Marilyn Manson and had a satantic cross on his forhead for Halloween. So yeah... kudos to consciousness work and open mindedness LOL Anyways... would love to get some GOOD books, courses, etc. stuff learning about Christ. As funny as it is for me to say now... I’m actually really inspired by the general story of Christ that I already know of. Just the idea of his crucifixion holds a totally different idea and meaning in my mind now I’ve been doing consciousness work. Something about this complete surrender to Truth and absolute unconditional love and him sacrificing himself really inspires me on my mission of becoming a sage. Would love to get some good information on maybe his life, story, dig into the psychology, etc.

Dude I just looked through that entire Osho archive... That's incredible. That's such a goldmine right there. Thank you! Can't believe I forgot about that.

Believe it or not you're like most 16 year olds. Totally normal and absolutely okay.

I was just sitting down at a restaurant and saw this little kid (probably 4 years old or something). He was wearing these Nikes he was bragging that he just got these nice new Nikes and I was kinda taken aback by that because I could see so much modern culture right there. It was really something. I noticed I had judgment in me on his grandmother he was with who was picking up after this kid and getting his food at the counter while this kid kicked his feet up on the chair across from him. I started to wonder about just how we’ve dominated so much of the planet through such a state of ignorance. I mean it’s crazy if you think about it, in a sense we are evolving but in another sense it almost seems as though we’re devolving all while we gain more mass control of the planet. On the one hand, we could say I guess we're getting “smarter” but I think I could also make the equally, if not more valid in my opinion, we’re not getting any smarter. We just have more “high quality” beliefs. However, beliefs have nothing to do with the truth so for the masses of our population, we just have “more accurate” beliefs than before but we’re just as ignorant as past generations in a certain sense. This got my mind thinking more and then I realized just how powerful this self and ego thing is and all it’s for and all it is (no enlightenment experience, just a conceptual breakthrough if I’m honest with myself) - a tool for survival. Nothing more, nothing less. This kinda floored me when I actually realized this. Our biggest survival tool is our greatest illusion. A human self is just a survival tool like rhinos tool for survival is its tough skin and sharp horn on the top of its nose. Nothing more.

Ingram made a 2nd edition to this book btw. It's like 800+ pages now. Thought I'd share

I recently caught up with a friend. She and I are both competitive sub-elite distance runners. I'm currently working on my life purpose right now and she was telling me about the business she started and to be honest, I'm astonished at how something like this really fucking works. She's a runner, a writer, loves to travel, loves trail running and racing hard up and down mountains for events like 50Ks, 50 miles, 100Ks, 100 miles, etc. This is her business: https://runcation.org/ She literally get's paid to run (literally and figuratively) and travel with people, take them on amazing routes around the world for a week or so. The groups aren't big (4-10 people per retreat). She also has another option for people who want "custom trips". This has also helped her as a coach too. I share this with you guys so that you don't get stuck thinking you have to do your life purpose a certain way. Be creative and imaginative but also be practical. It'll take work but the way I see it is - it'll work, if you work.

"Living consciously entails a desire to understand our full context." - Nathaniel Branden

What are your Top 10 Values and what do they each mean to you? Me (need to tweak the ranking a bit): Self-Actualization: The unceasing pursuit towards the fulfillment of my mission in life, realization of my highest capacities and potential as a human being, self-discovery and self-mastery. Consciousness/Truth: The pursuit, discovery, and embodiment through direct consciousness of what is absolutely true about who/what I am and the nature of reality. Love: Absolute unconditional love, acceptance, compassion, and connection for all beings and all of reality. Authenticity: To express myself honestly with openness and in integrity with myself, others, and my highest values. Grit: Unshakeable passion and perseverance for something worth fighting for. Wisdom/Learning/Understanding: Deep comprehension of the genius of being through mindful observation. Mastery: Committing to the process of deliberately & deeply practicing to get better for the sake of practice itself. Independence: Living life on my terms consciously. Purpose/Vision: Creating a powerful higher calling, mission, and agenda for my life and following it. Romance/Intimacy/Connection: A deep intimate and romantic relationship that transcends all conditions.

Hahahaha that's embarrassing especially since I commented on that!

You're never too young to invest in your life.

They're my values. Not yours. They mean different things to me. There's nuance. If they mean the same TO YOU, awesome.

This was Shinzen Young’s teacher and one of the biggest forces for bringing Buddhism to the west and true enlightened zen master. You can be as enlightened as it gets and still have a shadow and A LOT of other work to do.

Go to a rave here in the SF Bay Area.

I really couldn't put it much better than that. I do have a similar issue to you@PhilGR. I totally get it. All these grand exciting goals for enlightenment, discovering the truth, etc. and wanting to share it with others since they too are also asleep... Don't forget though... YOU TOO ARE ASLEEP. So from there, be more concerned about YOU getting to the absolute truth. Don't worry about them in terms of sharing these insights. If they're not open, they're not open and you being a newb in this work (as am I so I don't say that as a put-down) have no real authority but more importantly, the embodiment of these truths to really do much convincing. This going around and talking about all these "insights" right now for you is just going to hurt you and is just huge a distraction. Don't conceptualize this stuff that much. You have your motive, great! Now get to work. Also, understand that these insights you're sharing aren't genuine. They may sound true or whatever but you have to get first that you don't actually know if it's true and also what's actually true. Also, I find talking about this stuff with other people causes a decay in my own integrity because of the fact that when I share these "insights" they're still not genuine so really it's just me bullshitting other people and also myself. Listen to what @aurum said though. You're going to function A LOT better if you take that advice and you're actually going to see how that relates to becoming a Spiral Dynamics wizard down the road because you'll have the ability to communicate to people at other stages.