kieranperez

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  1. No. You might as well ask whether or not being a better surgeon makes one better at being able to socialize with people. These are distinctly different processes that do different things. Yes, you'll find plenty of people and teachers for that matter that lump a bunch of different practices that do very different things on one retreat where no one has any understanding that all these different things are distinctly different processes. In the same way you can go for a "workout" but a session of 3-4 sets of low rep bicep curls till failure doesn't at all develop the same thing that you would be targeting if you were to go to a track and run 10x400 meters intervals at mile race pace with 90 seconds rest. You can include a bunch of different things but that doesn't mean you're doing or developing the same things. Trauma release and psychotherapy is not oriented towards waking up. Can it help? Yeah, you work on your hindrances. That's spiritual purification right there (provided you're following an orientation for what Wilber would outline as "Showing Up" which is about demonstrating in practice one's own purification through honest speech and so forth - the classic exoteric stuff that comes with religion). Don't expect an enlightened teacher to help you deal with shadows unless they are specifically trained for that. I wouldn't go to a yogi to teach me how to bench press or help me train for a 100 mile race. Don't expect a psychoanalyst to help you awaken. They don't need to. It's not a psychotherapists job to help you awaken. Ultimately that's on you. Teachers, psychedelics, or whatever else you can think of will not awaken you. Can they help with your process towards awakening? Yeah of course. It helps to have a psychotherapist you actually resonate with that is understanding and what not but they don't need to be aware of that stuff. This is not what CBT is. Cognitive behavioral therapy is a very specific form of therapy. I've been in it. I'm not a fan but if it actually works for someone, go right ahead. I don't really know of a single form of talk therapy where patients/clients to delve into their past via their stories and biographical narratives. Psychoanalysis is traditionally 3-5 times per week. Going into matters regarding insurance doesn't really have to do with the methods of practice as that's based on the healthcare system as a whole. Our entire healthcare system in the United States is downright criminal. A patient's ability to get more sessions regardless of what the form of therapy often just comes down to how much the patient is willing to spend out of pocket which is usually pretty pricey. Psychoanalysis is not popular in the US and is usually very expensive as it's pretty much never covered by insurance but there are inexpensive routes despite paying out of pocket. I don't know what you mean specifically when you say "heal them". That's just a pretty vague statement. Vague abstractions aren't useful in this kind of dialogue. This just reflects you don't know what psychoanalysis is. CBT attacks surface level behavioral issues and doesn't appreciate and lacks the understanding of the deeper psychic structures of mind. You're attacking things from a conscious level. Surface level stuff. You say these techniques "simply need to applied for long" not understanding that the whole issue has to do with motivation because patients actually don't want to change deep down even if they say they do. It's not addressing the unconscious and the deeper inner conflicts that manifest in daily life as unconscious slip ups. You know, those things that just seem to happen again and again and again and again and you can keep trying to apply the same surface level strategies that fail again and again and again and again and again no matter how hard you seem to try. There's a lack of appreciation of the deeper issues because the orientation is not about understanding but just about changing mechanical minutia. The kind of people that I see have "success" (people have different vantages points of what they might consider success, self understanding, and so forth) with CBT are usually the people that by and large have had a pretty stable upbringing and deal with pretty minor neuroses. I see that form of therapy really failing because there is so much depth that it lacks that is so deeply need in human culture in the world today that is missed because people want to deal with the quicker surface level issues rather than take the time to really dive deep. The integral relationship between CBT paradigms and the failing mental health care systems inform me of just how much this stuff truly is missing the mark because people just want faster changes. Sorry, I'm not convinced.
  2. You're not really saying anything here. Be more specific and clear as to what you experienced, what happened, and so forth as to what lead you to come to this belief/conclusion. We're going to need so many things in place in our culture that just flat out does not exist for that to really have it's place. Not to mention a 2nd tier anthropological understanding when it comes to our entire healthcare system which I imagine is a minimum 100 years away (assuming we survive as a species). Annnnnd not to mention an ideal scenario where we've gone beyond this materialistic understanding of mind and also have a better understanding of what psychedelics do and don't do (I'm not going to raise my usual critiques with this forum when it comes to what people here believe they do, e.g. "raise your consciousness"). As far as meditation goes, yeah it can be healing in some sense but the authentic orientation of contemplative practice is not about healing you. It's about waking up. Yeah, along the way that stuff might get sorted out but often times it doesn't. There's reason Waking Up, Growing Up, and Cleaning up are outlined as different processes because they are. Don't assume that all because you've had (an actual) enlightenment experience or mystical-whatever that that means you're anymore morally developed or more cognitively developed. Yeah, there might be some interaction between those different lines of development but that doesn't mean it's inherently the case. Interesting. I notice you're from Germany and I would've thought psychoanalysis would've been bigger there. Interesting. I mean fuck, all of this started in Germany with Freud. To be anal for a second, psychoanalysis and psychodynamic therapy aren't the same. Psychodynamic therapy you might say is psychoanalysis's little cousin. It's a lighter touch. Which I'm not saying that's better or worse. The theoretical framework is basically the same as psychodynamic therapy is something that came out of psychoanalysis many decades down the road. CBT suits the modern paradigm of scientific materialism where everything is oriented this mechanical like view of behaviors and dealing with this sort micromanagement sort of shit. The problem with all of this is that it neglects the deeper origins of all these conflicts and why the patient/client doesn't want to do any of the things they're failing to do because it's happening at a deeply unconscious level. CBT may work for some people but the majority of people I see doing it it's just dressing over the actual problems and isn't really dealing with any of the deeper rooted shit. It's just coping tools on top of coping tools on top of coping tools and people are kinda getting driven nuts with it all. Then again, if you're someone with say schizophrenia, I imagine it can be pretty useful to have a therapy that doesn't need to keep jabbing at those very powerfully disturbing aspects of one's experience and mind and can have something that helps them establish some stability and control over their lives. Yeah, I'd say much of that by and large is true. Much of my personal issues for example are preverbal traumas which is why I'm now actually hunting for body based trauma therapies like Somatic Experiencing to release those deeper contractions and disturbances because stories and talking can actually become a form of actually re-traumatizing myself. Then again, psychoanalysis has extensive history with alleviating preverbal stuff too. Go read a book called "Hysteria" and you'll read some crazy cases. You can read cases of people getting out of things like paralysis and so forth. It can be deep as fuck. I've certainly had my case of "hysterical releases" and boy was I shocked.
  3. @Irina Wolf what kind of therapy have you done? I’ve had a lot of experience with helping old exes with their self harm issues.
  4. In all seriousness, this is a really great thread. Therapy is not about deconstructing the self. This is just flat out not true. In practice things like psychoanalysis can go profoundly deep and this can be answered well enough if you read about Freud and his work with patients alone. Things like emotional release and even primal release therapy no doubt can be useful but only to a point and in practice people are often dependent on these techniques. That said, things like primal therapy, emotional release therapy, and so forth are doing different things and have different goals than say something like analysis (even though analysis could get you there). Those forms of therapy are aiming and trauma which have to do with the actual nervous system and freeing certain responses and so forth. Things like analysis could actually get you there and I speak from experience. Then again, our narratives can also be a habitual form by which we actually continually we actually re-traumatize ourselves. There is no hard and fast rule and the truth is that this varies from person to person. It's important to make 3 different distinctions between what we might call Shadow vs. Trauma vs. Attachment issues. They practices or forms of therapy may interact with any of the other different issues but they're not all the same. Dealing with shadow stuff may help with the trauma but don't confuse or conflate those two with being the same because they aren't. It's like confusing spiritual development and deepening one's insight and confusing that for moral development. This is not the same thing at all even though it might interact at time. As far addressing OP... I have a bit of a bias towards psychoanalysis and doing deeper trauma work like say through something like somatic experiencing as that's the only thing that's ever actually worked for me in practice and I've been through the ringer since I was like 12. I've been through intense CBT and DBT and none of it at all worked for me. That said, I can also acknowledge I have a lot of trauma and other stuff going on and can imagine something like CBT can work great for people who might not have a lot of trauma, attachment issues, and deeper stuff going on and can really capitalize on some potentially more minor things. Hell, I can even imagine it's great for people who may struggle with deeper neuroses and disorders that just need some sort of thing to help them get some sense of control and stability in their life. That said, things like psychoanalysis is so incredibly under appreciated here in the US and it really is a pity because it has so much potential. I don't agree that psychoanalysts aren't interested at all when it comes to the outcomes of psychedelics assisted therapy. The problem that they present is manifold. First off, there is no predicability with psychedelics (though that holds true for practices like analysis so I think that might be an element that might be able to integrated quite well into the practice). You also have to deal with the duration of trips which I imagine will make these trips and forms of therapy less accessible because you will have a limited number of therapists assisting with trips that can take anywhere between 4-12 hours. There are only so many therapists and they can only help you for so long. Not to mention the extent of help they can reasonably offer a person. What is created that is fair and reasonable to assist with integration? These sorts of issues bleed into a larger contextual issue which is not having this stuff integrated, understood, and respected by the culture at large. As far as integrating psychedelics with therapy, that's another hornets nest. It's difficult because you have to address the problem of transference. There's a reason a therapist's office is organized in a particular way and that's to control the many of ways of which a client may perceive about the room that effects the quality of their session. This may sound small but it is a big deal. You have to understand, appreciate, and most importantly (especially for people on this forum) notice that your mind interprets everything you think you experience on psychedelics. The conceptual and philosophical indoctrination you received matters when it comes to these things as well as therapy at large. When you've read all this stuff about spirituality or whatever it may be for that matter and then you take a psychedelic, your mind is very likely to go off an interpret all that you experienced and fill in the blanks for everything and make a bunch of nonsense. This happens all the time and I see it on here all the time. All this is transference and there would need to be an effective way to create a container that deals with these issues. This gentlemen whose an experienced psychonaut and a Lacanian analyst goes into this quite well. To understand the deeper differences between Shadows vs. Traumas vs. Attachment Issues check out
  5. I need to make a t-shirt company where our logo is "MAKE PSYCHOANALYSIS GREAT AGAIN!"
  6. @Average Investor I'm looking for something $100 or less. I'm not going to spend $300-$400 with where I'm at right now for a water filter.
  7. This dude is a scam artist. Just cheap self-help garbage content.
  8. Just do what they tell you to do and don't overcomplicate a simple practice.
  9. WATCH TILL THE END This really does illustrate so powerfully and dramatically just how powerful and influential symbols are for the human mind. Consider now, if it's even possible to truly fathom for the conscious mind, just how powerful something like marketing really is...
  10. Become a masterful meditator first. Learn from teachers by going on tons of retreats or many other different routes. As your skillfulness as a mediator increases and if or when you actually awaken you might have more opportunities to teach and facilitate. In truth this takes a long time and will take sacrificing any selfish drive for how you want to co-opt a practice and form to transcend self to for narcissistic goals, agendas, and dreams. This will take a LONG time. Spirituality doesn't need more mediocre teachers that are just desperate for a dime coupled with some narcissistic aspiration to awaken people.
  11. Siddhis and powers are real. Just not as supernatural as people make them out to be. That said, Ralston almost got a fight with Sugar Ray Leonard back in the day and, for those that don't know anything about boxing whatsoever, that's one of the greatest boxers of all time and arguably the greatest of his division. He's for real.
  12. You can buy the tape on the Cheng Hsin website.
  13. You have very loose standards if you call that movie an actual case study of anything…
  14. https://www.instagram.com/p/CWxaIYWFvfH/ So some of you might be familiar with the chart shown in this photo. It’s a pretty rigorous and detailed personality test to show innate temperamental traits and how they reflect and connect to our political views, values, and so forth. This post by Rogan was just such a prime and actually rather stark example of a mind that’s become rather infected by ideology that it will use certain ideological motives to distort certain helpful objective models of psychological views of reality. I mean, I took that test and yeah I grew up in San Francisco and scaring pretty far left on the liberal end of that test so perhaps I took some of it personally. That said, I can also look at those models like mirrors to understand and sympathize that usefulness of other ends or that spectrum that aren’t innate to my personality structure. In fact, that’s where most of growth in life has been in the natural progression of being much more conservative in my life, personal and even spiritual development. We can learn and apply stuff from all these different views and walks of life. There is no reason we can actually learn from each other (other then the contrast that comes from being at varying stages of development, which ironically is of course a rather big and important reason). I just wanted to highlight this as it did standout to me. The caption and the Kali Yuga thing doesn’t really mean much to me since anybody that takes psychedelics can easily find some concept like the yugas and lazily slap onto the global situation. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is the case but still…
  15. You seem to think that I’m negating your point. I said nothing about go out and fight people. I suggested learning how to fight. People that don’t know how to fight or haven’t really been in fights are more likely to not know how to handle and deescalate those kinds of situations. It’s important to know how to handle yourself and also do the right thing. Guys who are trained and face those kinds of situations aren’t as easily freaked out and can also stand their own if they need. Obviously it’s a group of guys then yeah get out of there. I suggest learning something like BJJ. Those guys aren’t to be fucked with and also are very chill and often aren’t going around trying to punk people. It’s important to walk away. Obviously that’s the more intelligent decision. I’m adding how to fight so you don’t have to.
  16. All of these are major red flags. You need therapy.
  17. https://www.npr.org/2021/12/01/1060027395/robots-xenobots-living-self-replicating-copy
  18. People admire the fantasy of him. As a runner that knows some of the best ultra runners in the world as well as some of the best in the world in terms of distance running, I can tell you what people make out of his running for example is pure fantasy. They like to glamorize the fantasy of something so otherworldly in terms of pain and suffering and blah blah blah. That fantasy is common when it comes to the world of endurance sports and to a certain degree it's true. That said, people make too much out of the numbers of his running simply because they don't understand how training and this stuff works. When you hear a guy runs 120 miles a week or runs 100 miles and what not, when you don't come from a world where you know plenty of people who have done that the mind naturally tends to make those kinds of guys into certain mental caricatures understandably. I definitely think the amount of stuff he did in the sport in such a short period of time is incredibly impressive. The ultra world can be very grueling in terms of the physical and really mental and emotional demands that come with it. That said, he has his karma and a very different background and I think that's what most people miss when it comes to him. There's great stuff to Goggins, no doubt about it at all. The reality is though that he's driven by A LOT of trauma. He got himself out of an impressive hole. No doubt about that. All kudos to him. That said, all that motivates him is built on a farse. There really is no way around that. Ironically I think a lot of people miss the real jewels in what he says that he's really about it like honesty, integrity, and so forth. I think this whole "don't give a fuck about what people think" in general is terrible advice. Especially for people on here. I've learned more than ever could on my own by finally getting over myself and really listen to the feedback I get from people and paying attention to that stuff while acknowledging the projection in all of it too. That's something I notice he says a lot and I think that just entrenches people that have a propensity not to listen to those around them in a myopic point of view that are actually saying stuff that they really need to hear. At the end of the day though I think people that just idolize him and model themselves after him are actually missing the point, even though it certainly can be useful and of course understandable any time you find someone that you're inspired by. Really pay attention to your path and what you really have going on. Most people can't do what Goggins does or plenty of other people because they don't want the same things he wants. Find out what you're really motivated by. People aren't going to want to train for 120 miles a week or go through 3 hell weeks or whatever else when they don't want what he wants. So of course they'd quit and can't understand why he would do all that. In the same way so many people can't fathom or understand why people would sacrifice everything to sit in a cave or monastery or whatever and meditate 16 hours a day. So on and so forth. People have different backgrounds, different conditioning, different karma, and so forth. In yet we can learn from so many people that are also radically different than us by actually being around them too and taking on their experience of the world.
  19. People will do and make whatever mess of this that they will. I shared it and it's on people to be mature or immature with what's presented to them. I don't really care.
  20. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildfoxzen/2021/11/the-end-of-zen-in-japan.html?fbclid=IwAR1y0dXjeF-qFCAC9-EazzXRLyUp9IV40ONrWDfD9qOyD3x5iEXq-MXCZ_A