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@Sahil Pandit

More selfish egos who don’t give a fuck who think spirituality is the cure, use metaphysical concepts just to dismiss the things you can do. Don’t cricitize others on the Spiral when you do nothing about it. Leo votes in yet calls out because guess what, you sitting passively on the sidelines like the spiritual snob you are doesn’t help anyone. You are making so many assumptions and projections with this post

The majority of great sages of history had to learn from nondual spiritual texts/books. Unless you're working with a guru/teacher/master, you're not going have enough. Buddha learned from others for several years before he went out on his own. Chris had John The Baptist. Yogis have their gurus or yogic texts. Adyashanti had his Zen teacher and even read Christian mysticism during that period of time.

@RichardY I don’t know what you mean by that. Any action you take towards any kind of change, personal or collective, requires force. In the beginning when you meditate you have to force it. Change requires force of some kind or another. That’s the way it goes.

You are programmed with inauthentic desires, dreams, cravings by culture just like a computer is conditioned by cookies on a website.

Do the practice and it will stop seeming vague.

Man if you develop supreme concentration on that question (like you would for a koan), that can really take you deep. That’s why I feel concentration practice is so important in the early years of meditation because of how easy it is to slip into other questions. Contemplative meditation on a question requires such supreme concentration to keep the devil from seducing the mind into other questions just for the sake of distraction. Obviously this is all metaphorical.

I’m honestly so depressed I can’t even think or vision about what I really want as a life purpose at this point. I sit around at home all day miserable and depressed and just in tears because I don’t know what I want anymore at all. I try doing these life purpose exercises more and more and I haven’t been getting anywhere. I can’t give a concrete answer to anything. All my passions have fallen away and I just don’t know what to do. On the one hand I intuit what pursuing enlightenment and all that can really do for my life but I also know what enlightenment won’t do for my life. For example: what would actually change if I got a full enlightenment right now? Nothing in terms of circumstances, money, skills, a living situation that suits me, etc. I’d still be the 23 year old loser living at home with family members who look down on him and no friends. I even feel ashamed to meditate. I feel so useless and depressed that I don’t have enough emotional reserves to start a business. I’m not saying I don’t think I can’t ever. I’m saying right now. I literally wake up with no reason to get up in the morning at all. I NEVER thought I wouldn’t hit this point. I’ve been an athlete all my life and once the passion and “my why” really ran dry, that was it. I just didn’t understand why I’d keep doing this. This mental predicament right now is this: I don’t know what I want. I keep asking myself, introspecting, and I just don’t know. I feel worse at then end and just cry because my life feels dry because I feel like this is something I can’t turn around now because now I have to go off and earn something and work at something stupid, waste all this emotional energy doing something I hate, working for someone I hate, for a bullshit cause. I feel like if I accept this, slap the handcuffs on, I’m going to end up getting swept into this current. I don’t want to get swept up in that but I also don’t know what I want. I feel like I’m stuck in this catch 22 and I really don’t know what to do. I know the lifestyle I want to live right now which would resemble a lot of stage green and really spend time truly soul searching and gaining more life experience, driving across the country in a camper van, go to other countries, camping, spending time in true isolation in the woods, living really really simply in a tent. Advice?

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@Jedd I've definitely thought about it for sure. Key advice right there ^ Just add onto it: really emphasize authenticity. You're going to feel a lot better and also get farther in your own development if you do so in an honest, truthful, and authentic way. Also: Don't feel the need to share every bit of your personal life and self. I think YouTubers make both a good but misleading (through no fault of their own) example. Good examples of this are actually people like @Leo Gura, Casey Neistat, Gary Vaynerchuk, etc. - You don't need to share every detail about your life nor do I think it'd be wise to. Bring the real you but people don't need to know every single thing. Understand for example that you really don't know anything about Leo personally. However, that doesn't mean he can't be authentic and real with us as his audience. We just tend to assume we know more about the people we're watching than we actually do. If you're going to do this through video I suggest practice filmmaking and learn about it. Learn about camera angles, storytelling, learn how to be creative. Remember it is about you in this and your journey but you need to appeal to the people who are going to put up watching you. Practice that for awhile.

Imagine if Christ or Buddha said ‘there’s no point. Suffering is going to happen no matter what.’

is that movie in spanish? I don't speak it haha cause I'm looking it up now

Don’t know what you could possibly be “enraged” about my post Are you asking what do I with my time that I feel deeply fulfilled by where time just feels like it flies by? I can’t understand based on the way you’re writing

How am I supposed to travel, self-educate with no money? Plane tickets, places to stay, other travel expenditures and books, courses, etc. don’t pay for themselves. And where do you suggest one goes once they’re done traveling? Just show up back home with still no basic plan of action? I don’t understand your answer. I’ll check it out

“Peter’s Road To Enlightenment”

What’s body load?

You realize I’m agreeing with you right? Lol

Yeah I was going to say the same thing. It’s funny too because I’ve heard her defend herself multiple times for charging for spiritual guidance and all the stuff she does. Granted, I like her. Her story to me really made me cry when I heard it. Just find this quote from her (assuming this is real) a little hypocritical.

This is both a silly and also good question. I remember reading somewhere that the reason we seek challenge in the modern world now is because we are faced with so little of it now. I found this to be very true. We’re so soft and comfortable that it takes a certain mind to create illusory challenges. The question with that though is - are you doing that consciously or unconsciously? Are you creating these challenges? What are these challenges motivatated by? Did you create these challenges or are you following challenges that culture has programmed you to follow? It really all depends. If we look at this from a scientific rationalist paradigm we would say that: Stress + Rest = Growth However, I don’t suggest that if you’re unmotivated, depressed, suicidal, and mentally unstable to go corner yourself in life for the sake of challenging yourself and demanding growth. That’s like a kid whose never lifted a day in his life at the gym to go bench press 300 pounds without a spotter. That kid is just going to hurt himself. I don’t care how much determination he has. He can’t do it. So it’s a balance and you need to find what that is for you. In the end though it’s because all fulfillment and growth comes from challenge. You don’t get something from nothing. As far as what your motivation should be, I suggest you intuit what that needs to be and start living it. This is a lot of what @Leo Gura‘s episode on the humans being the bullshitting animal is about. This is really how the mind works. In the end, there’s no ethereal motivation as to why you should challenge yourself. Which is actually a blind spot a lot of very successful people have. They want to believe in what they’re doing and that reinforces their actions. If they saw that blind spot though, they might actually apply that same hard work ethic into a motivation that’s authentic to them. That’s a process though that takes real introspection but also really soul searching which often involves life experiences and action. Be deliberate. Find a challenge that you really want to take on. It doesn’t need to be some Mt. Everest thing. Most people who are successful in whatever it is they do (and that includes spirituality) don’t ALWAYS have a massive vision. Sometimes visualizing winning an NBA championship works for some people. More often than not though, they start out just wanting to get the ball into the basket and they love doing that and then want to get better at doing that and then their vision blossoms. Hope this helps ❤️

+1

Such a good HEALTHY example of Orange!

Been thinking to buy some of Vivekanda’s books! Thanks for sharing!

Here’s what’s always stumped me as this was my experience when I was on ADHD medication for 17 years: When I got off my Adderall, I lost all the “progress” I made when I was doing my meditation habit while on Adderall. I mean, after 17 years it was more of a bodily reliance to be at a baseline level of functionality. However, when I got off my medication and decided to get that shit out of my system, I not only lost all my progress in my meditation but I was in the negative. Although I’m optimistic about all this stuff on nootropics, from my experience though this sounds very similar to the effect of things like PEDs where you make MASSIVE progress while on them but only so long as you’re on them and then when you get off it’s totally different story. If I were to use a sports analogy: to me, and please tell me if I’m wrong, like we’re getting better results from training so long as we’re taking steroids. So we’re still putting in the hard hours every single day, that hasn’t changed, but those stunning results catalyzed by nootropics are only actualized so long as we’re taking nootropics on some sort of basis. I could be a great runner and running 100 miles per week and training hard and smart and take say EPO (performance enhancing drug for those that are unfamiliar) which will help me run even faster had I not been taking EPO which takes me to the next level. However, I’m only running that fast so long as I’m taking EPO. So in reality, to contrast that with say meditation, I didn’t really develop say better concentration in a way that lasted. Has this been your guys’ experience? I also don’t want to come off as though I’m making some sort of case for doing things “the old fashioned way”. So please don’t confuse this question with that.

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