kieranperez

How did that work out for Christ. You’re looking for a fantasy.

When you have a deep awakening but the ego comes back

That is such a powerful insight right there that my eyes just went wide open and mouth open

I imagine you’re referring over the course of hundreds, maybe thousands of years? Assuming we survive

@purerogue ?

I have no idea what you’re talking. I don’t know what you’re asking “why?” about. I don’t play coy so please don’t place that bullshit on me. I don’t know what you’re questioned is aimed at. Are you asking why did I pick these 4 people? Are you asking why about a particular statement I made after I made my list? I don’t play coy and I also don’t care for your projections and nonsense all because you can’t make a clear question so I know what you’re asking about.

Contemplate what time is. Anything time bound is not real. Time itself is not real. There is no past and there is no future. I don’t know what that this question has to do with anything on this post but there you go. Please stick to the topic

I also 100000% agree with this. I’ve actually been falling into this the last few months. It turns nonduality a belief system which when you’re doing whatever practices you do makes them harder cause now you have a whole cosmology and those beliefs become very sticky. For me this is a problem (particularly) because I grew up under a dad who I learned this horrible dogmatic habit of hard debating and I can’t stand this habit in myself for all the different reasons it toxifies my life but also because I tend to be good at understanding what concepts are really pointing to intellectually and I have almost this thing, it’s almost like this subconscious talent, of being really good at understanding what’s really being spoken on a conceptual level and tying all these pieces in my mind and can see in my mind how they connect and now I have this whole elaborate cosmology that I tend to lie and pretend I know better than I do and defend those ideas. It’s a really nasty habit but also conceptualizinf this whole thing is just such a trap, especially on here where we by necessity have to use language which indulges the mind to map everything and unconsciously confusing the map for the territory. However, I’m getting pretty good at contemplating and grounding myself in the present and that the truth of what I’m after is right here right now and nowhere else which regrounds me in not knowing and curiosity.

@Joseph Maynor why what?

The only people I want to see Rogan have on: Ken Wilber Peter Ralston Leo Martin Ball I think those 4 would resonate and do well with Rogan. I think the 2 I’d count out seeing is Ralston and maybe Martin Ball (as in I think he may have a shot, but it’d be a long one at best). I’d love to see Wilber on and I think he’d be by far the most likely on that list to make it.

That would make a great koan

More personal stuff and logistical stuff. Don’t want to go into here

By eliminating all beliefs. See them as what they are, and then work on tossing them all (don’t take that as some simple easy thing). Pursue living day to day by means of real honesty with yourself and others and with more awareness of what you’re actually. Become aware that all beliefs are a means of keeping your self agenda in tact (which you likely didn’t create yourself). You can’t really change yourself so long as your working on the surface like a self image or beliefs because those are just surface level things. You can’t change what’s fundamental without working on what’s fundamental and that’s some really difficult business right there.

One entertains you the ego (DMT). The other one kills you the ego (5-MeO).

@Arthur what I meant more was, has this trip reoriented what you want out of life? As an outsider who hasn't taken 5-MeO yet, I personally want to take it just to have all my lies and falsehoods fall away so I can both die as an ego and "come back" having a deeper understanding of what my "authentic self" wants. So yes the God part, but also come to the core of what I deeply want to make my life about, even if it is all totally meaningless.

@CreamCat I've seen that episode and know more about mastery than most lol. Mastery has nothing to do with holding yourself to some fantastical unrealistic expectation. If you want to be driven and have your motivation systems come from irrelevant fantasies than be my guest. You clearly didn't read through my post. Perfection is what's real right now. Mastery as a process is the antithesis of what you're saying. You're not going to master everything. Not only will you not in real life but to pursue (not attain - even though mastery in a sense isn't really something you attain) absolute excellence and mastery in multiple things in your life is just a stupid unwise endeavor. That just leads to sloppy horrible work. Put the majority of your energy and focus into 1 thing. Perfection even as a concept means nothing if you acknowledge it doesn't exist. Just practice to get better. That's all. You wanna go ahead and do that, by all means.

Perfection is what's real. Period because you or anything or anybody else can't be other than what it ultimately is right now. I really want to help ground this whole notion of "perfection" because I see a lot of people talking about spiral dynamics and all the dozens of different lines of development, states, and stages as means to fantasize about creating this perfect person. Particularly people that follow TJ Reeve's relatively small little social media crowd and such people who espouse this whole ideology and just downright fantasy which is quite toxic because of like "I want to have the enlightenment of Christ or Buddha and have the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger (or something along those lines) and the intellect of Einstein or an Elon Musk and be financially free and only then will I have actualized my potential." @CreamCat I'm not saying you specifically are doing this but I see a lot of people wasting their time fantasizing over such ideals. I want you to consider that right now, you, everything in this world as well as everyone in it are already perfect. I'm not saying no one is dysfunctional, everything is all sun shine, kittens, cupcakes, divine bliss. As far as the relative world, hell no. What I am saying is that it can't be any other way than it already is. I remember hearing this great talk on YouTube with Byron Katie in a seminar with someone whose issue inside was this neurotic feeling of not living up to his potential and she was showing him that moment to moment he has living up to his full potential. By noticing this he was able to get out of the way of his own fantasies of what he thinks is his potential and perfect. If you think you're going to live life without regression in anything you're setting up a fantasy. Michael Jordan wasn't the best in the league after he retired in 1998. Father time catches up. Some great thinkers end up getting dementia and all sorts of mental illnesses as they get older. You may get into a car accident or something tomorrow. Regression is inevitable. The question I pose to you is, can you still see the perfection in that regression and still be happy and at peace with it?

@Arthur do you think your 5-MeO trip and ego death really helped recontextualize what you really wanted out of life along with the awakening of what God is?

I remember asking Leo awhile back on another post what he thinks his most underutilized and underrated video and he said it was this one:

Life Purpose Course

Lol when your definition of enlightenment excludes The Buddha ??? LOL WHAT? Okay this is just a joke now. Lol how are you even measuring this? Only by arbitrary constructs. As though you know Sadhguru’s realization and all these other people.

This is like telling every nba player who isn’t as good as Michael Jordan they’re not a true basketball player. This is a fucking fantasy hunt. Who the hell is this perfect person that you speak of? You don’t know Ramana Maharshi. He had no audios that we can hear about or books he himself had written. All notions of these historical legends of enlightened persons are all different. Enlightened people don’t need to fit into some fantastatical set character and set of behaviors. You don’t know ANY of these people these people so any notion of them is still all a story you concoct. The better way to tell these people’s degree of attainment (but not holding them on this pedestal of how they reached the end) is what they did with their life. Mastery is merely and only a principle. It’s not some set place you end up. A basketball player whose 6’2 and 180 pounds is going to have a much different reflection of mastery than Michael Jordan because they’re different people with different genetics and skills. This is true in sports, spirituality, cooking, doesn’t matter. This a shallow and fantastical misunderstanding of what mastery in anything really is.

@Butters remember, suffering has nothing to do rationality but purely emotional. This is good. Your sense of concern is broadening beyond your clan. I actually am starting to feel more of this myself. I grew up in a hard nosed stage Orange atheist house where rationality mattered more. I never grew up with animals and I never understood the whole obsession some people have over their dogs and other pets... until we got a dog. Once we got a dog I understood and felt more pain if I saw or heard about other animals being abused and when I see owners drag their dogs and I feel for that animal. It was weird at first but now I understand. A few months ago I really wanted to take this a step further and actually open up to the suffering more by researching factory farming and that tore my heart out. This has really allowed me to move into Green and evolve out of this selfish concern for just myself and my own worldview of people are what matter and that we’re smarter. This sort of suffering, without all the moralism and ideological crusading that goes with it, I think is good. Orange people and even lots of people who pursue spirituality who never want to feel suffering again and also have trascended suffering don’t understand. It takes a real master to step down off that mountain high of realizing God to be willing to feel both the bliss that you are God and you are untouched and at the same time feel the pain and suffering of all beings. Whether they be people, animals, fish, trees, air, etc. a perfect example of this is Christ. So, yes I’m in that same boat.

@ExodiaGearCEO here’s a good question for you to ponder: how much of your inability to forgive is not coming from your authentic self but rather a manipulation of your ego to maintain its own self agenda and self bias and maintain its own righteousness?

Is mastering emotions in enlightenment work the same process as spiritual purification?