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I’m noticing just how much my entire emotional system is built around keeping me from being conscious of what is. When I’m running, I’m not conscious and aware of actually running where I’m aware of my landing, the ground, the technical trail I’m running down where I need to watch my footing, etc. I’m conscious of the emotional stimulus that I’m used to being governed by day-day and I’m lost in my head which will lead to me tripping or (come close to) busting an ankle. I feel a deep seeded neuroses and emotional block that I can just feel is there from the bottom of my throat through the center of my chest (surrounding the 4th chakra) and also in my head. When I feel hurt by a situation (let’s say my bus drives past me and I chase it down but eventually it zooms off or I made some mistake) and I feel this anger, I recognize automatically that I’m actually hurt how defeated I feel, I don’t know how to respond and relate to that in an honest yet practical way to. When I start becoming aware that I’m literally holding this feeling of being depressed as I walk around as a habit or when I’m feeling dominated by my mind when I try and sit and I’m twitching and squirming because I’m so anxious and can’t concentrate and I feel so frustrated in yet I know this is something I’m doing... this system just fights back. I might have a straight face and I’ll counter that with a lighter smile by seeing the beauty at say a view and I’ll literally feel this psychological force that “taints” it and my lips are literally shaking like an a fatigued bicep doing curls till failure, trying to get back into that straight dead face... I really don’t know what to do about this. I could really use advice. This egoic structure is so deep I have no idea how to conquer this. Sitting in meditation is fucking hard. Being authentic feels impossible. Even running. There’s no area of day-day experience that this problem does not infect. I’m currently considering learning and taking up Hatha Yoga to get more back in touch with my body and also because I think it will help my studies in general + loosen up more. Despite all the mobility work I’ve done in conjunction to my running, I’m now extrodinarily stiff. all over. I want to take Shamanic breathing more seriously too but the question I have on that front is when the patterns come back.

I'm dying LOL

@still_no_satori lol I love your username

I’m going to start a restaurant that sells BBQ Devils. Freshly caught by @Leo Gura My specials are the ones in churches, universities, and country clubs. Homemade BBQ sauce that goes great on the side.

What is meant by this exactly?

A perfect metaphor for @Leo Gura catching devils. ”I catch epistemic blunders, deep insights, devils, and gar... lots of gar.”

Moral of the story... standing on the edge of the Golden Gate Bridge about to jump isn’t the best path enlightenment. These odd cases are prevalent among all domains of mastery. For example, Michael Jordan is 6’6” and the next tallest person down from him is his dad whose 5’7”. There will always be those odd cases. You also have to consider past lives and past karma and man that can make it even hairier. Sadhguru in his biography and many YouTube video for example refers to his extreme clarity and recollection of past lives of hardcore spiritual work where he spent multiple lifetimes of work. Of course, none of his past life times were within his immediate family tree as far as blood relatives go in the conventional sense. So it makes sense as to how Sadhguru at 25 with no work at all in this current life time sit on a rock after work and then be fully enlightened... and there was still time spent integrating his past lives and so forth but basically was done and has been living in this constant God consciousness ever since and is able to run organizations and stuff. To model one’s path off these freaks of nature and downright anomalies just isn’t smart. All because you’re very accomplished doesn’t make you a great teacher. You can be a great athlete and have accomplished a lot but that doesn’t mean you understand and can relate to everyone else. If you want to know how to ride a horse, don’t talk to the horse. Which is not to say don’t learn from these people but these guys still can lack an accurate frame of reference.

Emotions fundamentally are thoughts. Emotions and they’re reactions are wired ways of trying to keep your familiar character in tact. Emotions need to be questioned. Thi whole “it cant be described” thing has its limits. Yeah I can’t really accurately convey in any sense certain aspects of when my 3rd eye opens. But to say I can’t describe any of it is bullshit. I can feel a massive energetic sensation opening in my forehead. I feel the point from where my spine ends and skull meet sending massive energy to that point and interconnecting with other points along my skull. When it opens I can (I’m using this as a hypothetical example, I’m not saying this happens to me) read a book without opening it but by merely holding it in my hands. That I can describe. If someone can go as far as to say I got a direct download from God and it was a massive epiphany that causes me to change some action or make a new decision or something (pick your causal effect), they clearly have enough to cognition to interpret that. Sure it may not be 100% accurate but that doesn’t diminish the value of attempting to communicate it beyond mere contrasting analogy (it’s like this...)..

Concrete example? I get what you’re saying as abstract example but what might be a practical example (as best as you can reasonably describe it with words).

@Harikrishnan Same in Greece. You can have them anywhere in the world. I think people get too hung up on how India is the only place for that sort of stuff and that somehow their culture is the best as far as spiritual practices and cultures go.

I wouldn’t get too hung up on the India part. You can have temples in other places too.

Share any and all you got on this. I've been wanting to study and learn this very deeply. Awesome! Yeah that's why I really want to study it. I love how Sadhguru hammers that point home.

100% agree. The way you know you’re integrating and owning your shadow material, conquerring uour own neuroses, purifying yourself emotionally is the degree to which you live authentically.

I’m so glad there’s finally a down to earth discussion on this forum about this matter. So for one, thank you @Matt8800. Does the occult sciences relate to say how say certain temples were consecrated? Particularly with things like lingams and what not? I’ve heard Sadhguru talk about this a lot but of course, keeps tight lipped when it comes to what that process entails and what that science actually is but he’s said things like lingas and temples and what not are all about transferring energy into an object and keeping it locked in there. Does this relate to what you’re talking about? How can I learn more about this? Do you think books are sufficient? Here’s a great video on Breaking Convention

I am grateful for all the bizarre GIFs @Sahil Pandit texts me.

Good eye. I’ve said this before. Ralston is so clear and precise that people often overlook what he’s saying. Those books need to really be read so slowly in order to even somewhat grasp what he’s even trying to convey. As @Leo Gura says that I find true, “Ralston is a sneaky one”.

Chapter 1 I love that book and Ralston's work.

I’ve noticed a big overlooked obstacle in my experience to this process is a very subtle fear that I didn’t really know was there. As soon as I let go and I surrender I feel so much more free. Ive said this in the past but not-Knowing is one of those most liberation experiences I think a person can feel.

Huge and much harder in my experience. Unlearning is the key to being able to learn the best in my experience... after a certain point. As the adage goes... follow the rules before you break them. You gotta get good at following them before you can transcend them.

”The any in the relative domain is infinite possibilities, and there always will be, and it’ll never stop. You can learn forever. You can create more distinctions. Why? That’s the nature of consciousness.”

Those experiences go to show that you can’t confine spiritual awakening into some rigid system. Realization comes when it comes. Nothing wrong with practice of course. Do the practice that works for you but yeah, that’s not uncommon. Imagine if they didn’t have a context for that experience... that’s why concepts can actually help as a background.

“Why are you hitting yourself?”

I do want to be clear on this though: I do think advanced siddhis like levitation and other psychokinetic have been done in the past. I don’t think it’s an accident that that talent has floated around for thousands of years. I do think advanced level shit like that is doable... by (advanced) talented practitioners (who also probably put in thousands and thousands thousands and thousands of hours for probably decades). So I’m not dismissing radical abilities. I dismissig the fantasy of everybody can do it. Even with that, you’re not going to see any yogis levitating to Mars lol. Talent has limits and so does work capacity. A great question though to ask is - as mankind becomes more evolved (particularly with advancements with science, medicine, psychedelics, AI and other technology), will there be new evolved states of consciousness and new abilities that have yet to even occur say beyond samadhi and other types of altered states? Now that’s a deep question.

You literally described my path in athletics to what I’m discovering now lol. I couldn’t have put it any better.

Let’s go with this because LeBron is such a clear example. Let me make this clear. LeBron James was 235 pounds and 6’4” with around a 45 inch vertical leap at 14 years old. Bo Jackson was All-Star caliber NFL Football player AND MLB Baseball player and was an athletic freak of nature. Wilt Chamberlain was 7’1” and ran a 1:56 800m, high jumped 6’6”, and ran 49 seconds in the 400m... In converse all stars on a dirt track with no training in high school LOL. He was a man amongst children in the NBA and also could hold his own lifting with guys like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I use sports because sports it’s clear. It’s obvious. You can’t deny what you’re looking at and the reality of the results (although that still seems to be an issue apparently lol). Yeah those guys had to work hard but guess what, little Jimmy whose 5’5” ain’t going nowhere in basketball and ain’t going to the NBA no Tony Robbins or Ralston techniques are going to make that happen. Not will power. Not affirmations. Not law of attraction. You can get better. But that doesn’t mean little Jimmy is dunking on Shaq. Sorry lol that’s not happening.