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@Leo Gura would you say there is a right time in one’s life to take 5-MeO? This all pretty subjective but would you say the ego backlashes you have on 5-MeO are much more emotionally grueling than substances, retreats, etc? How did you feel the next couple days emotionally after your first couple trips (particularly the first one)? Do you find the ego comes back really quick once you come down? I find substances that have a slow come down are actually much harder to do with emotionally and psychologically.

@abrakamowse Yeah I saw that video when Leo posted that on the blog. Couldn’t agree with you more.

@legendary an exorcism is the exorcism of the ego. The ego, character, self permeates your entire energetic, psychic, and bodily system. It manifest in your adopted and habitual holding pattern. Your habitual emoting pattern. Your habitual emotional patterns. Your habitual thinking patterns. Your habitual perceptive patterns. So on and so forth. So when you see an exorcism happening “out there” and you writhing, rolling on the ground, speaking in tongues, etc. that’s actually the self trying to survive and resist surrender. Or you can see it as the process of breaking up the self and those are the reactions. You’re bringing up all the stuff that have been repressed, denied, etc. in your psychology but that manifest in the body becaue the body (including brain) are very much (yet not entirely of course) manifestations of one’s psychology. It’s kinda like a deep tissue massage on muscle tissue that’s so matted down, has deep knots, doesn’t have much slide and glide, no suppleness, etc. and then you go on a foam roller or have the hands of a masseuse break up those tissues. Brings in more bloodflow, separates the tissues, etc. which is all well and good but it also hurts like hell. In the case of an “exorcism” it quite literally feels like hell.

@Norbert Lennartz there needs to be a form of pest control for nondual keyboard jokeys like you on the Internet. I dare you to spew this garbage to a enlightened master looking you dead in the eyes. Its clear you’re not here to learn.

hahahahaha and how are you going to pursue enlightenment without your survival needs met? Please tell me how that actually works out in practice. Guess what? Most people on planet earth can’t realistically pursue enlightenment BECAUSE they haven’t met their survival needs. You understand the enlightened masters we know of today we only know of them because they had a society that nurtured their survival to such a point where they could pursue such an endeavor? Do you understand this? Zen masters are only able to be Zen masters becaue they created a society and social and survival infrastructure that allows them to do that. Spoiled rich kid who doesn’t appreciate nor understand the privilege he’s been given and doesn’t understand that he’d be dead if it weren’t for the luxury of his privilege. Biting the hand that feeds you... and they do feed you. The human condition is not something you solve. Enlightenment doesn’t “solve” the human condition. Enlightenment gives you the consciousness of the human condition itself. However the condition itself will remain. How you relate to it can change. However... there is no enlightenment without survival. Period. End of story. And you will not be able to pursue enlightenment if there is no system that allows for such an endeavor. Do you understand ashrams, monasteries, etc. are nothing but mini societies that require the leniency on the rest of society in order for it to survive? Monasteries and ashrams and friends and all of that all involve social hierarchies. Enlightenment doesn’t eliminate that condition. That will remain. In yet it’s still an illusion. HAHAHAHA “but where your dogma?!” INTEGRAL. Integrate the partial perspectives. I don’t know where you’re seeing me not suggest what we can do. Go back to my first comment on this thread. Further, yeah I don’t have all the answers. Hence this being a nuanced and complex issue in the world and not some ridiculously convoluted one of “everybody needs to get enlightened and we need to just see society as an illusion and you do you and I do me.” This Nondual keyboard dribble. As though the world’s issues are that dumb. So yeah I’m not just going to cling and preach some ideology lol. As though having my own pet ideologies are really of interest to me nor benefit to the world. What you’re failing to appreciate is the paradox. There are no others to save and so therefore you vow to save them. Everything is absolutely perfect and so we must work enormously hard to fix the catastrophes occurring that are to lead to even bigger catastrophes. That’s not a contradiction that’s a feature. In yet you can only see that feature when you stop hanging out on only one side of the street.

@ajasatya

No there is no difference between libertarianism and you, actually lol. Of course. The human condition will remain the human condition even after enlightenment. But of course, libertarianism tries masquerade that truth in order to justify their own agenda. You’re making a duality between you and the rest of the world and how you aren’t part of it. Yeah, bullshit lol you are COMPLETELY part of it intimately. Even if we create better systems, yes that is for survival but now the survival system doesn’t just include us as people but now we can create systems that serve the survival of mankind, the environment across the earth, other species, etc. and create a more integrated world. Libertarianism is grounded in making distinctions between self and other rather than integration of self and other to create a greater whole. LOL translation: whether it works in the real world or not is irrelevant. So if it’s just cool fantasies I believe in or not, oh well.

1. I’m not angry. I’m not playing coy 2. You’re not addressing the elephant in the room of what my point was. Don’t dodge it. Address it. Don’t make assumptions that I haven’t become conscious of what society is, time, and such things. What I’m communicating to you again is the fact that something doesn’t need to be existentially true in order to be useful. As that’s all that learning in the relative domain is. There are no others in yet you still create the distinction of others as mental creations in order to survive and interact. However, I don’t see you critiquing that. 3. Enlightenment is NOT survival strategy towards a greater world. Enlightenment is not the sole solution to mankind’s problems. Enlightenment is antithetical to survival.

@electroBeam your notions of how government and politics work are a fantasy. None of those things you’re throwing out are what ACTUALLY happens in the real world. Everybody being enlightened WONT save the world. Enlightenment doesn’t come up with systems with how we interact or make people compassionate a lot of the time. Libertarianism is a ideology grounded in selfishness because you think you’re owed a damn thing. Let me spin this back on you. You brought up before how politics and what not are an illusion. Guess what? You’re human rights are an illusion. They don’t exist. They only reason you bring up “having the right to...” is because there’s a government that allows you to enjoy those liberties. Those a government and a system to take enough of a burden off you to actually not worry too much about your survival in order to be able to pursue enlightenment. There’s a reason Self-Transcendence is at the top of Maslows hierarchy of needs. All that you’re providing in this discussion are fantastical ideals that 1. Are all grounded in you being selfish thinking you don’t need to contribute to the larger whole and to the system that keeps your ass safe, 2. Are all grounded in fantasies and not in how the world actually works. How survival actually works. Survival is dirty shit. What you don’t understand on how “minding my business” is how just this isn’t the case. Hell. I bet if we observed you or any other libertarian, we would see that’s not what you do in practice. You care about how other people from your own selfish survival standpoint. You don’t actually mind your business now will any of us because that’s not how this game works. You’re involved with everyone whether you like it or not. Cooperation is a human NEED. Now if you wanna delude yourself of that, go right ahead. We have hundreds of thousands of years of history to back that up alone. Much less the development in developmental psychology and human evolution. Libertarianism is grounded in selfishness and it is just that simple. It’s that simple because that’s what libertarianism is grounded in. You as an individual or me or anyone else don’t matter at all. Projections. I don’t know where you’re mind is coming up with that.

Learned helplessness is hands down one of my greatest struggles in life. All my affirmations are based around just trying to feel confident with myself again and that I can pick myself back up and unwire this mentality out of my mind. Not trying to press anything but I really would love to get some help regarding a video from you about this. Would be a lifetime of help regarding recovering and (re)building strong self-esteem, integrity, correcting learned helplessness, and wiring that back in (programming the subconscious mind).

@electroBeam good God stop. Yes there is no such thing as society. There is no such thing as mind. There’s no such thing as language. There is no such thing as politics. There is no such thing as other perspectives as all perspective collapse into the One perspective. There is no such thing as the subconscious mind. There is no such thing as others. There is no such thing as time. There is no such thing as gravity. ... what you’re clearly ignorant of is that something doesn’t need to be existentially true in order to be useful. The greatest masters understand this. Lanaguage doesn’t exist. You’re using it though. So whose the being a hypocrite here? Time doesn’t exist but you still use it. Gravity doesn’t exist but you still use it. Perspectives don’t exist but unfortunately you’re failing to use that. Libertarianism is a fantasy that doesn’t apply in practice and is grounded in entitlement. You’re not owed freedom. You’re not owed liberation. You’re not owed knowledge. You’re not owed anything. There needed to be a creation that involved social contracts that established principles, policies, laws, systems, etc. to provide you with the cushy position that allows people to get soft and take their survival for granted. Libertarianism is like a spoiled rich kid who takes for granted his wealthy background that his parents have provided him and demands freedom and then becomes reckless and demands freedom and then goes out in the world out of recklessness and then becomes beaten down by the realities of the world. Then he realizes of how much he took his world for granted. Then he sees the value of the system and why it’s in place and why there are certain rules and checks and balances. You are part of an illusory system and in an illusory world. Do your damn part because it’s your creation. Treat it with the Love, respect, Goodness that it is and the responsibility that’s required to create something that benefits the entire whole that is you. And that has nothing to do with you whining about how you don’t get to the whole pie all for yourself. We’re all special. So what makes you so special for dropping your selfish ideas and take responsibility to contribute to the entire whole?

I had just hopped into bed. I was doing some basic personal development affirmations on 100% responsibility right before. I got in and I started intentionally breathing very slow (like 6 inhalation p/min or less - wasn’t counting but probably around there) with no pauses. As I closed my eyes I all of a sudden hit this all consuming “ascension”? It wasn’t an astral projection as that happens to me on a somewhat regular basis these last several months unintentionally where I eventually end up leaving my physical body. I don’t want to say void because it wasn’t void of thought, a little monkey mind. There was still mind. However, it felt like this void but also had this vibrating all consuming “energy” that I was totally absorbed in. Distinctions of a body totally disappeared. There was no body. Just consciousness... yet thoughts? The energetic feeling is kinda like how one feels after meditating hard on an affirmation or meditating on love. That energetic radiating presence but all consuming. This wasn’t Samadhi was it? It didn’t feel like I was in total union especially since the ego mind was still on with thoughts...

@Preetom very much appreciate your kind sentiments I try not to question it too much. They’ll come if they do. My last trip changed something in me. Around people I interact quite the same as before. Behind closed doors though and inside, I’m realizing just how contrived it is and that deep down... I just want God. I still am not fully broken down but I want to keep surrendering. The suprising part is that that’s genuine. I come home now after a 9-11 hour day of work and eat and after I eat I spend 5 min or so just praying and giving deep thanks and gratitude alone and it’s actually genuine now. Not asking for anything (for the most part - still have plenty more impurities). It’s weird... I’ve never really been like this before. Still can’t believe I pray now... I used to be the most bloodthirsty atheist lol... feels like a distant memory I’m slowly shedding more and more of. Enlightenment, wanting to become a sage/mystic, wanting God used to be a subtle spiritual commodity I was seeking. Now it’s starting to become a true genuine deep yearning in my heart.

I’m stunned by how accurate you described that... That was my first thought about that while it was happening. I felt like I was undergoing something in my psyche. I have no idea what though.. this has been happening on both of my only psychedelic trips and several mystical experience and one crazy paranormal psychic episode which I still kinda disbelieved really occurred. Ill be relaxed at night (the few times I really am relaxed) and then all of a sudden this nonlinguisitc commandment occurs and I just know I need to meditate and chant Om and then all of a sudden I close my eyes and I turn my entire experience into a vibrational field that can collapse a mountain. It’ll feel like an earthquake with every Om and then I’m literally seeing stuff or some crazier stuff will happen... it’s like... wtf is happening to me? Not out of fear but like.. WHAT THE FUCK... I didn’t think this would ACTUALLY happen to me?!?! I actually started asking last night during it... “who are you? What must I do? Who am I? What am I here to do?” There silence but I felt like there was... empty intelligence that was listening... Like you’re in a pitch black dark room and you ask “whose here?” There’s no response but you feel l presence in that silence that you know is there. I feel like I’m at a point where I’m starting to surrender inside slowly starting to truly surrender and am begging to adhere to what universal intelligence wants out of my life because I truly want it. In private and inside of started to become deeply reverential to the divine since my last acid trip. It really shook me that deep. All I want deep down is God and to become a vehicle for Gods Will. So I think I might be opening more to that slowly. Thats still all speculation though. Possible. Yet it’s still all memory and a story now though.

@Preetom it’s crazy how turned on my astral body had been these last few months. It’s so weird in yet it’s become like an new norm at night now. Assuming thats what that was. still remember the first time something like this happened and I was like “this is actually happening... to me. This really is real!” Funny how that works.

@SriBhagwanYogi How consistent are you? My only thing is, I have a tendency to want to do more work than my ego can really take so I’ve been holding back. How many times a week do you do it? How long?

@okulele where were you camping if I may ask

@Norbert Lennartz dude. Drop your ideology and be willing to empty your cup and learn or go somewhere else. You’re just be a closed minded ideological devil. You’re a hypocrite to the very ideological dribble you keep regurgitating.

What are the proper expectations we who are into consciousness and nonduality can expect a more consicious and integrated world through politics and policy change? Covering the realities of how Marxism is actually correct along with the limitations of it. What our role is as conscious creators who are moving towards 2nd and even 3rd tier in creating a more conscious society and how we can infuse that with politics? Ecodharma and politics What would 2nd Tier politics and society even look like? What kinds of policy changes in our systemic national and global societal infrastructure need to be changed in order to elevate the rest of mankind up Maslows Hierarchy, Spiral Dynamics, and other such stages of development and of course towards the possibility of being able to achieve liberation much easily for everybody? Such as UBI, legalization of psychedelics, etc.

Yeah sounds totally normally. What @Leo Gura said. What you’re experiencing is actually what I’m trying to get to in my own work... as crazy as that may sound. Youre getting to the heart of the deepest things in your ego and character. Think of the ego as like as a parasite. This thing is is rooted in your very better and energetic and psychic system (multiple bodies - same one though). It’s really similar to like a disease such as cancer if you think about it. Shamanic breathing is chemotherapy for the self

I would LOVE this! People into spirituality I feel need to have a better understanding at the interconnection between nonduality and politics. I notice a lot of people into spirituality (particularly on this forum) are quite politically retarded in regards to their understanding. If we want a more conscious and awakened world in a way that is both not a pipe dream and sustainable, we need a more conscious politics. Theres a reason Sadhguru, Buddha, the Dalai Lama, Krishna, and reknown mystics both past and modern, and have worked with the rulers of their civilization to help bring transformation for those in power in order to bring conscious transformation to the people.

@Leo Gura funny story for you. So I’m working at this job this summer that happens to be based of A LOT of Mormons. Besides the fact that they repress every swear word with “fudge” and “shizz” (granted - a lot of these guys are in their late 20s), I learned about this thing they do called “durfing” (for dick surfing). It’s a loophole they find for avoiding sex where they just dry hump for hours until they nut. The loopholes the mind comes up with to meet its needs are astounding. My favorite is the genius that created Christian Mingle. That is pure GOLD. In all seriousness though: do you think one can truly transmute their sexuality?

The moment I leave the Bay Area for Jersey! LOLOL SUCH A WIN THOUGH!! OAKTOWN!!! @Joseph Maynor

How do you feel after? Have you been eating before you do this? I would say it’s emotional psychosomatic purging that’s taking releasing energy. But if you eat right before you do this I can definitely see that being a reason why.

What are some deliberate practices I can do on my own even at home to really become a better speaker? I really want to become a better speaker as that’s a leadership skills that’s common among most great powerful visionaries and leaders. I find it very inspiring and also necessary since how I communicate tends to feel very disempowering for me. When I say “speaking skills” I’m making a distinction between that and communication skills.