kieranperez

Not fond of the path this guy is continuing to go down...

This is just gibberish. It takes someone that knows the Absolute to know the Absolute for what it is and also for what it is not. Namely that which has nothing to do with states of mind. This has been said again and again and again and again and AGAIN for thousands of years. You guys think you're really discovering something new with this whole psychedelic thing. Explain to me why EVERY enlightened teacher that's had enlightenment experiences that have also done lots of psychedelics over the course of decades always and unanimously point out that THAT IS NOT IT. Explain to me why that doesn't sink in. They're not dismissing whatever value you may have derived or whatever emotional "healing" may have taken place. They're pointing out that that is just shit that comes and goes and that the mind makes up shit about whatever arises and passes away in experience and becomes yet another conditioned experience that is largely tainted by people's philosophical presuppositions, conditioning, and so forth and that people don't tend to realize that's what they're doing. Are you not aware that Brendan, Peter's assistant, that's taking over Cheng Hsin, that's had an enlightenment experience literally drove over to meet Leo to do 5-MeO and still reported "That's not it"? I mean, how much more do this really need to be made clear? Why can't it just be fucking acknowledged that nobody is dismissing the usefulness and power of psychedelics yet just call it for what it is and also what it is not and put it in it's proper place? No there isn't. Enlightenment isn't caused by anything. There are certain things we can do to help facilitate Realization. That's not the same thing though as saying though that enlightenment is caused by something. It isn't. The Absolute transcends causes and conditions. No it isn't.

@LostStudent to qualify myself real quick... I'm a competitive runner and have been since the age of 12 and was a post collegiate sub elite runner. Studied training theory and athletic science in regards to distance running around the same age and a lot of my running friends are among the best MUT runners (Mountain, Ultra, Trail) in the world as professional athletes. As far as this goes I think playing around with nutrition during your long runs will be a thing to work with. Everybody is different when it comes to this. I know people that do well off of straight gels and water and don't need to complicate it too much. Some people I know have to go with more actual foods. I suggest really playing around with this. I usually just roll with GU's and making sure I'm getting enough salts in. I'd like to know though, was there any change that occurred as you started adding gels? If so what were they? I would also add that it's worth considering the duration of time you're out there too, rather than just distance. 30 miles for me would be a bit north 3 1/2 hours if I was just cruising and not really pushing. For a lot of other people though that might be 5+ hours of being out there, especially if you take into account vert. Also, just keep in mind that some of this stuff just comes with the territory as far as fatigue goes but I have a hard time imagining your nutrition not playing into the stuff you're describing. Drink enough, eat enough, eat well enough, and make sure you're bumping up your training at an appropriate levels such that you're not overtraining. And of course, keep going! You can totally do this. The ultra community is a wonderful community to be part of. A lot of humble yet crazy characters. I encourage to really see this through. You got this ???? Would love to know what race you're signed up for! Do share your result! Best of luck! You're completely ignorant of what you're talking about. Your body has adapted to being able to handle running long distances for hundreds of miles at a time. The science and history on this is indisputable. The muscles and tendons from your feet all the way through the posterior chain literally act as a form of shock absorption and our ability to cool ourselves via sweat allows us to be able to keep moving while still cooling ourselves. Something no other animal has which humans used to their advantage for thousands of years via persistence hunting. There are plenty of cultures where running 100 miles isn't some huge feat. Especially at one point in history.

@funkychunkymonkey work with a Roshi

@Leo Gura you might dig this.

This doesn't mean anything. This is just a figure of speech. Not a factual subjective experience. The majority of your experience is mostly unconscious. You are not in tune with the flow of blood through your veins, the process of calcium that replenishes your bones after you eat a meal, etc. Have I had what some might consider a profound experience of my body that involved a very different change of state? Yes. I've had flow states at the end of long runs of 18 miles where I closed near 5:00 flat after north of 3,000 feet of running uphill and hitting deep states of exhaustion. I've experienced demonstrable yet spontaneous paranormal phenomena (stuff that the yogis would refer to as the Siddhis) in regards to myself and other teachers and many other things. So what? What exactly is your point? Then go have tests done on you and we can have you to attribute the cure of autism. Go prove it. The reality is they'll tell you the same thing I'm telling you. Or keep telling yourself the same nonsense. I'm done with this post and arguing over pure stupidity.

I knew kids that have actual autism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmjuJeYhYg You aren't autistic.

That isn't autism buddy. Has nothing to do with it.

LMAO Yeah. Okay ? You, some dude that has no background in clinical psychology, self diagnoses what you imagine to be certain "autistic tendencies" (all based on your own preconceptions of what that means), you take a psychedelic, stuff happens, you feel a bunch of sensations and a radically different change of state that is then laced in by your mind's interpretation of what's going on which is laced with tons of presuppositions, and then the experience fades and then you think "ah! that's the cure to autism! Psychedelics!" ? Alright buddy. You're for sure ahead of John Hopkins and all the leading neuroscientists over 1 psychedelic trip. And of course, let me guess... "they're just deluded materialists that don't know the power of psychedelics." Right...

Name me one fucking person that's ever gone beyond autism or retardation. I don't know why you are so hung up on this or where you're even getting this silly belief that awakening or enlightenment somehow is supposed to "cure" autism. This more than anything else you're dribbling out is fucking ridiculous. Realizing what's absolutely true.

You are. The truth doesn’t have to conform to what you think. I know many people that have had enlightenment experiences at this point and they still have traumas, shadows, and other issues. That’s the reality. Enlightenment is about what’s already true. Enlightened people have started cults, killed people, and also done all the great things people tend to associate them as in their mind and also be totally ordinary people you’d never expect anything from. These are just your projections and assumptions.

Well you are. Go meet some real Zen masters and talk to them rather than just sit around by yourself with your comfortable assumptions. You don’t know that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

There is no ultimate answer to this question as there’s no one way to. I wouldn’t lump someone that pursues awakening that grew up in a traditional Japanese culture than those that pursued it back in the 70s in America. Everybody’s path is different and yet I imagine you can find some similarities among a lot of different practitioners at the same time. You can make large generalizations by saying things like “suffering” or “wanting to know what’s true” but that hardly answers anything when you get down to the core of what motivates peoples search.

Go talk to actual Roshi’s and tell them about your assumption/belief that Zen fundamentally deals with healing and they will tell you to your face that that’s a bullshit assumption. It’s not true. Don’t conflate awakening with healing. There’s a reason Ken Wilber for example makes the distinction between “Cleaning Up” (therapy, trauma work, etc.) and “Waking Up”. Because they’re not the same. There may be some interaction between the two different processes that influence each other but that doesn’t mean that that’s what they’re about.

@Raptorsin7 Go to therapy. Zen and awakening has nothing to do about healing generational trauma.

Yeah man come through. I almost ended up coming out to that. Yeah lol sounds about right. I had a similar moment when I finally decided to just ask him, 'why are you so much more conscious than everyone else on this path?' He just looked at me and gave that smile and said, "a lot of work. I was a fanatic." It wasn't really the answer that penetrated it was just the clarity and directness from which he spoke that really sank in. After that I got who and letter had a direct consciousness into what. Yep. My root Zen teacher Doshin Roshi of Integral Zen is like that. I could probably write a whole memoir on the unique relationship I have with him but yeah his transmission (if he really puts it out there - and I always know when he is or isn't and why he doesn't tend to with me) can really blow me out the water. I remember the first time I sat with him the whole floor turned purple and I was having these full on visions and saw fractals on the floor and my only internal talk was, "holy shit this shit is real! Fuuuuuuck" hahahaha The most powerful transmission I ever experienced though was with Jan Esmann who gave direct Shaktipat (not energy transmission, actual Shaktipat) and that just blew my mind. One thing to read about this stuff. It's another thing to really be in it. The thing is, Peter doesn't put any energy transmission out there. He used to but he stopped in the 90s. His students back then just got hooked to that and he saw they were getting distracted but all that and so he decided to not put it out there anymore. Peter just has an intensity to him that I don't attribute to the gross, subtle, or causal transmission states. I've only seen it in a few people like Michael Jordan and what not. It's not like Shakti or anything like that. I just kind of lump it with that whole "IT factor" thing. Who knows though. He did joke about how he'd go up to students and go like, "yeah I could get you stoned," lol Many of the people that have studied with Peter for a long time though suspect, myself included, that he might have something akin to asbergers or something. There's some basic wiring thing regarding empathy and connection that he just doesn't have. From what I've seen of Soryu from afar he doesn't strike me as that. Yeah, I get what people might have that view. He has to be careful though that care for the destruction of life as you put it doesn't degrade into an agenda as that can easily slide that community into becoming a kind of cult. That requires some careful vigilance. Yeah, I imagine I would. I don't see myself there though as it wouldn't work out logistically. That requires having a certain kind of career that allows you to work remotely and I definitely don't have that. Seems to work great though for people that do have that going for them though. We'll see. Finding a fit with a teacher is like finding someone you're going to marry. And I certainly am not compatible with A LOT of teachers as not a lot of teachers can really handle someone like me. I generally can recognize pretty quick compatibility. Great Vow is very Green so it'll be interesting how well I mesh with them and what kind of trouble I might cause lol Back at you. Are you still at MAPLE or are you dipping? What's your path looking like?

I'll be at Great Vow Zen Monastery. 80 or miles Northwest of Portland. Have you met Peter? I've met a lot of enlightened guys and teachers at this point and the closest guy one I know that's similar to Peter is my root Zen teacher is Doshin Roshi. They're both enneagram 8's (I like intense tough masculine teachers that have fucking balls and don't pussyfoot around). Even then though, Peter is kinda his own thing. That dude doesn't seem to have a feminine bone in his body. An old school man's man. I remember being around him and he has that same "IT factor" thing I came across when I've met some of the best athletes on the planet that I don't see in any of the other very enlightened guys and gals I've gotten to know quite well personally. I don't want mythologize him like it has been done on this forum because he's also just another dude. Sorry seems like a guy that has a strong intense presence to him. Probably all the effect of all that Rinzai training with Harada Roshi. It's good you recognize that. Nobody is ever going to be perfect. Yes, in one sense everything is already perfect and yada yada yada but it really is good to see everyone, no matter how enlightened, will always fall short of idealistic expectations. Enlightened people can still be deluded in some things. Reconciling that by noticing that and yet still seeing the perfection is where the really humor lies. And you're working with a great Zen teacher, and a profound humor is one of the core aspects of truly of an ever deepening Zen practice. Yeah, that aspect can be incredibly healing. My first intensive/retreat was with Peter and Brendan down in Texas and the example they set regarding honesty and integrity just blew me away because at every turn I paid close attention and saw that their word and actions always seemed to match and just stunned me. It was like "these guys aren't lying to me!" And to really see that for what it is is great. By the end of the intensive I was just crying and crying because I finally found what it was I was looking for. A bunch of insane fucking people that were genuinely going for what's true and a more powerful and healthy way of living and experiencing self and life. Same thing at all the other retreats I've been to. I'd just find myself in prayer/gratitude for finally finding this and would just be in tears. The unseeable ever-present sacredness arising out of nowhere. I will say your enthusiasm for how your experience is going gives some reassurance to my incredible fear, doubt, and skepticism regarding me truly going into this time at the monastery because if all goes well and it's a good fit I will try and stay or see what I can do to deepen this path even further.

Yep. How's it going at MAPLE? Still there? I'm entering residency at a Zen monastery in a little less than a month from now in Oregon.

What comes and goes is not enlightenment. You're chasing "stuff". Profound states come and go. And they will ALWAYS come and go. That which is permanent and absolute is ever-present. This.

I’ve made the case on this point enough times. Not interested in debating.

He’s 100% on the money.

http://jedmckenna.createaforum.com/index.php Here ya go NOTE: I hear tell Jed McKenna actually recently died

Actualized morons: “bUuUuuT yoOoOU DOoN’T HaAaVE A bRaiIN!!!”

I’m literally just finding about this and I’m officially done trying to be understanding with conservatives at this point. The craziest with trying to eliminate privacy law under the constitution, which Roe v Wade falls under, is that civil rights laws, gay marriage laws, and so forth fall under this. Expect pushback for trying to outlaw not just abortion but interracial marriage, sodomy, etc. Some states are already passing “abortion bounty hunter laws”. Which is absolutely insane. I’ve never equated the two sides but I kinda felt like I’ve been a bit too apologetic and understanding of those on the right. The idea that the right pushes this narrative against the left regarding censorship and all this stuff but is trying to push forth this kind of toxic shit that could infringe the progress made in regards to civil rights, lgbt rights, abortion laws, and so forth would be having our country go backwards is just crazy.

This channel has become one of my favorite channels on YouTube that I actually think, for those that are on an authentic spiritual path really ought to watch. I often hear of this idea - a belief really is what it is - that the collective consciousness or whatever is leading to mass awakening. Aside from the piss poor and really, flat out false philosophical assumptions that such statements contain, to me it really reflects just how naive many of the people who believe this stuff really are when it comes to most people in everyday life. I’ve had this joke which is something like, ‘before you go about believing we’re on the verge of a global mass awakening, go to your local Walmart or Disneyland.’ Because really, most people in this whole thing, as far as I can tell, have never really encountered a lot of people like those in this YouTube channel, and it’s useful to really get just how fucked most people really are in life and that it’s a lot more common than you’d really imagine. As far as the YouTube channel itself, it’s basically of a guy whose a former photographer that interviews people from the darkest walks of life. Rapists, murderers, KKK members, pimps, prostitutes, mafia bosses, gangbangers, homeless people, alcoholics, even children of inbred families. It offers a very radical perspective that is very disillusioning for those that don’t really encounter much of this in their life. I suggest you give it a check out. https://youtube.com/c/SoftWhiteUnderbelly