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@Koyaanisqatsi start charging one rolls Royce per question

Dude I was joking. I’m not going to even entertain the idea of discussing the possibility of whether or not that man is awake ?

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Wilber is Turquoise and above.

I think the only thing that would surprise me anymore is if he came out of the White House and just said it was all a joke, how he’s been Democrat all along, and hes actually enlightened.

These 3 matters arose for me back in early college when I had a more liberatarian view on the worldview which had me question the efficacy of what Bernie was proposing during the last democrat presidential nomination: Free Healthcare - First, we see in certain (I know of Australia and Cananda as examples but I don’t want to say all because I have no heard much on this issue in Northern European countries as I’m not as informed as I’d like to be right now so I don’t want to make overarching claims) democratic socialist countries where it can take for example 5+ hours to get treatment in an emergency room because hospitals become overrun with people who are going there for much smaller reasons which can make it harder for the people that actually need help to get the treatment they need. Second, I don’t see how this addresses the systemic issues that are pervasive in the health care industry. However, I could also see this from the POV that we still need to solve more level medical problems like being available to enough people before we can come up with more practical, creative, and systemic 2nd tier changes. Taxing The Top 1% (or really the top 0.01%) - I don’t remember what President it was nor the time era, but I recall in recent (or somewhat recent) French history there was an increase in the tax bracket for the most wealthy and the tax money France was trying to collect from them never came in because those that were receiving that tax bracket decided to literally leave the country to avoid paying. I’ve even heard this concern come from Mark Cuban who raised this remark when being interviewed - granted, I can see that he may have a bias when raising such concern regarding increased taxation and UBI because he may not be willing to pay more. Regardless, I still feel it’s a valid point worth considering. Free College - First, to be honest is a bit of a touchy subject for me so I probably have a bias in this stance as someone who left college and has ADHD that made school insanely difficult for me. My whole thing regarding this is simple and I’m not saying anything new - the entire school system is broken. Modern school is 150 years out of date. I’m stunned that were not seeing (radical) education reformation right now to help not even the playing field for kids with different who require different ways of learning but also actually learning in the first place and not just being a dog that jumps through hoops. Though it’s undeniable that someone will be more intelligent (depending what you call intelligence but that’s a separate matter) in certain types of intelligence than if he/she didn’t go to school at all, I don’t see how making college free in an age where college degrees for the most part is pretty much worthless is the answer. Now, maybe we need to go through this phase of helping those very underprivileged families in parts of America that are very uneducated to have that opportunity for maybe a generation or so before we make a real collective decision to bring forth a real systematic overhaul in education. Second, I still don’t see how we’re going to make schools like Stanford, CalTech, Ivy Leagues, and other such universities free. Also, what about those smaller liberal arts universities that are more specialized for certain types of people regarding either trade or even mental opportunities that rely on the funding they get to stay afloat?

@Alex bliss you will get more clear the more you’re honest with yourself. Don’t underestimate how powerful being honest with yourself is. No one can give you an answer man. Only you can know you. Only you can know when it is you truly do KNOW. It will be apparent. It’ll only be intellectual so long as you’re hiding at that surface level place. Develop concentration and mindfulness, inquire for you - not the question, be honest with yourself about everything that comes up, and surrender. If it helps though... notice that wherever you put your attention, there’s a very subtle sensation/thought that there is one that is experiencing. Put your attention on that and wonder.

@Koyaanisqatsi love it man very much appreciate the no fluff explanation. Very refreshing (particularly on here haha). Happy for you and glad I got to read your story!

As far as my take... I imagine Leo’s intent isn’t to snipe or berate people. However, I found with myself even relation to just myself, it can be taken that way. For me, I can really take the energy I get from videos to be extremely hard on myself to an extremely unhealthy degree. However, that is me doing that (and anyone else who has the same pattern in relationship with themselves or with other people). I do agree with what you’re trying to say. However I wouldn’t really call it personal. It’s calling someone on their behavior or given honest and explicit feedback rather than projecting one’s prejudice of another behavior in conjunction with the other as a person. There’s a big difference between saying “man, you’re acting like an asshole,” vs. saying “man you are an asshole.” The former can be honest feedback about (how you feel about) another’s behavior and the latter is just flat out projection. Now, that doesn’t mean the other person isn’t going to conflate those 2 distinctions as one thing. I think we can all recall at some point when we ourselves were given constructive yet seemingly harsh feedback but conflated it as a flat out insult. Thought it might be useful to share that.

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What is entailed in integrating trips? What are the common traps people miss when integrating their trips? What are you looking to do and focus on between trips to get really last changing and transformation from your psychedelic trips? What are the common hurdles to look out for? What are the normal yet very common challenges post-trip?

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Tantra is yoga. It’s a school of yoga. There is no “vs” here.

@Truth Addict notice how you never hold yourself accountable. Notice how much you assume about other people. Notice how you never back up anything you say. Notice your lack of self-reflection. I don’t need some childish 23 year old pretending he’s some master of nonduality who parrots Leo lecturing me lol. I don’t subscribe to any teacher but I do consult and talk to people who’ve been mastering this work for over 40 or even 50 years from Ralston, to Wilber who I’ve had the chance to talk to many times now here, to Doshin Roshi and many more. You’re little talk is nothing. You have no credibility. You are no teacher. Keep thinking you’re above me. Keep deluding yourself thinking you’re some master when really you’re a 23 year old behind a screen who has nothing to contribute on here put parroted lines from a teacher who does the work himself. I don’t know if you really believe the silly act you try to project on here but in any case, you’re only lying to yourself. Put your own talk to the test. If you’re as free as you proclaim, put it to the test. Live with nothing in a cave. Test how free you are of fear, pain, suffering, suffering in actual life and not just talk shit. I’m not saying prove it to me. Idgaf what you do. But your constant projections onto people on here is nauseating. Your bullshit is festering and it smells. Your shadow needs to be put in check. You can play your pedestal game all you want. I’m not the one acting like I’m above anyone. I’m honest and vulnerable with what I share on here. I’m honest about my things I know and don’t know. If I get in a healthy debate or discussion on here with someone, I can admit when I’m wrong. People who are constantly mastering this work are humble. You’re a 23 year old child as far as this work goes. Put your ego and self deception in check. I’m direct with people. If you’re acting like deluded narcissist whose trying to play power games with me, I will call you on it and I will be explicit with you to get the point across.

Yeah sorry you’re just wrong. You misunderstand what ego and spiritual development is. Ego literally means “I”. As that (illusion of) “I” develops, it transcends and includes prior stages of development. Which is to say, it’s sense of identity moves more towards absolutely everything. And this idea that when you’re enlightned you don’t have an ego is just a myth and if you go to enlightned masters, they will confirm the same thing. So long as you have a body functioning, an embodied perspective, you will have an ego operating because you currently operate as a limited form. What you are however is not any form and will never die. The perspective (your ego) that what your true nature is using as a vehicle to experience creation will die. Bottom line: - ego development and spiritual development are the same. Which is VERY different from saying ego development is the same as spiritual realization (which it’s not). - you wil have an ego till your body as a human dies.

Ego development and spiritual development are the same line of development

@peanutspathtotruth I would say if you’re a pretty stable guy emotionally, you had a stable upraising and development, and you’re already in a good place, you could probably go on your own for the most part (so long as you know what to do, you know what to look for, etc.). Shadow Work really helps but shadow work pretty much is pretty much spinning your wheels so long as you’re doing it on your own because the shadow is by definition the self/ego that can’t see itself. That pretty much requires another person or facilitator to help with that or having a good sangha for that that’s up to date. Not that you can’t realize your shadow on your own per say (although the deeper you go into it, the harder it is to spot because you don’t want to) but as far as integration because that is where the real work is. Realization isn’t really the hard part. Integration is. However, if you have the capacity to do it on your own (and that’s different from accepting to do it on your own because I’m speaking from a place of asking ‘do you have the capacity. Not the will) do it. Again, this is an individual thing but just remember to still consult people even if you do have the capacity to go it alone and act on that responsibility because you never know what you’re blind to. Martin Ball has a consultation service that is specifically for psychedelic integration. I just Skyped him on Monday and if that’s something you may be interested, you’ll be talking to someone whose done just 5-MeO-DMT alone literally well over 1000 times. I couldn’t recommend him enough. Like I said though, it’s an individual thing. For me personally, as much as I have the will (and stubbornness) to do this all on my own, I simply can’t and have to be honest with myself that I need help and a really good in-person support system given my hard upbringing that makes this work a lot harder for me than it would most people as far as the emotional domain goes. Trust your intution on this (not the mind nor your pride), be ruthlessly honest with yourself, and follow that. Way to keep taking responsibility

First off, I want to applaud you taking action, going out of your way to give this a shot. Good on you! I don’t say that lightly! Second, finding the right therapist takes time. It’s rare you land a good psychotherapist in one go. A lot of therapy is about finding that right one. In a way it’s like dating. Don’t waste time finding someone that isn’t right for you and isn’t going to understand you. Third, you have to understand that psychotherapy doesn’t directly deal with existential truth. Think of them like mechanics. They try to get an idea of the mechanics of your mind. Of course, they can only do that through their mind, which is why it’s important to land that psychotherapist that is going to understand you as a person, because “you as a person” is the same as understanding your mind, which is why they don’t really deal with existential truth (whether they realize it or not) because they mind itself is an illusion. Psychotherapists work with helping you to help yourself create a more “integrated illusion”. I’ve personally given up trying to explain this stuff to most people and even psychotherapists (even though my psychotherapist now is a really enlightened guy who used to study with Krishnamurti) because they only try to understand this through mind. Which is fine because that’s what you’re there to work on. Lastly, try using a psychotherapist to help with your psychedelic integration when you realize deep stuff around your own person and psyche. Psychedelics can open you up to really horrifying stuff about your own mind that can feel so impossible to integrate on your own. That could be huge for you. Hopefully this provides more perspective. Decide for yourself though what you feel is best for you. No one is in charge of you but you

The smell of your try-hard act is starting to really fester along with all the other piles of bullshit that go with your act on here. I suggest you switch from a dust pan to a scraper because man it’s nauseating. You’re only bullshitting yourself dude. You ain’t free. You’re a 23 year old talker on the internet. Stop kidding yourself because you’re not fooling anyone here.

Don’t worry about it. How many times do I need to repeat this? He’s ACTING. This is done all the time in authentic hardcore spiritual communities and circles. He’s not actually angry. This is done for example in Zen monasteries to break you because that’s what it takes to get some people to drop shit. Ralston has a 50 year history of being one of the greatest martial artists of the 20th century. He’s not a sweet little spiritual bunny. That’s how he does it. and you still don’t get what he means by saying don’t not confusing a state for consciousness and there not being a method. Certain “focused states” can help but that is still merely and only a process and invention done to facilitate a direct consciousness towards Absolute Truth. That is no different than what Leo said earlier regarding the proper usage and intent of psychedelics. Ralston is trying to make the point that a direct consciousness of say what you are CAN lead to a change of state but all because you have a crazy experience or state change doesn’t mean you have a direct consciousness into the nature of something. I gave this example already but I’ll give it again: you can have a STATE/EXPERIENCE of seemingly infinite space. HOWEVER, that doesn’t mean you grasp what the nature of space IS because if you did you’d realize that space doesn’t exist. That’s the different between having a direct consciousness (or a direct knowing) into what something is FOR ITSELF AS IT IS and having a crazy experience and then inventing a whole meaning and confabulation that you generate, fabricate, and invent from mind. A direct consciousness/knowing is transcendent of mind as is enlightenment. That is the point being made.

I want to preface this by mentioning that MANY masters are known for acting (and that is a keyword... keep in mind, he’s acting to get something across) like this and being much MUCH more brutal and real to get points across. Zen masters for example are known for playing the theatric of being extremely brutal and harsh to shock you deep enough to get you to drop fantasies, acts, games one may be playing, etc. I bring this up because I see time and time and time and time and time again on here, people who project fantasies of what they think enlightened people SHOULD be like in their minds. Truly free “people” no longer operate or play under that distinction. I also want to mention regarding the video that I’ve enquirer many many many people who have studied under Ralston for more than a decade and even 2 why he doesn’t talk about states, if he knows these different stated. Ralston knows such states VERY well. Why does he dismiss them? They aren’t the Truth and if it’s not the Truth than it has no place in what he’s teaching, which is the pursuit of Truth. For me, I’ve had many astral projections, experences of being one with all things, deep sleep samadhi states, siddhi/paranormal experiences, etc. time and time and time again I run into the same thing “it was just another experience. It may be a very unsual and different one, but still just experience. This is not the Truth. This is merely a function of mind. Not truth.” I’ve met and have friends now whom are deeply enlightened and have taken psychedelics like 5-MeO-DMT for example AFTER their own enlightenment and it’s the same answer every time “it’s a cosmic state of ignorance. This isn’t enlightenment.” That speaks WAY more than people taking substances and experiences crazy states whom aren’t enlightened and never even had enlightenment experiences thinking that they now know what they’re talking about. This isn’t to say psychedelics are not helpful for human stuff like healing, emotional work, psychological work, getting past certain issues. I thought I’d preface that before sharing.

You seem to misunderstand what that stick is used for. It isn’t to berate monks. They hit them in a certain spot in their shoulder that helps wake up their nervous system. There’s a tendency for Zen monks to really enjoy the stick because it really helps them and actually feels good. Zen is a very stoic flavor of spirituality. Ain’t nothing wrong with it and in fact, I see something admirable about people who thrive in such environments. It really shows how free one really is. It’s easy to be free in a cuddly friendly spiritual fantasy condoning environment. Again, it ain’t for everyone. Nor is it meant to be. You seem to be interpreting Ralston’s acting for projecting. Ralston has a very authentic Zen take in yet still being indepdent from all tradition . If you don’t vibe with that, that’s fine. If you have some qualm with it, that’s about you. Ralston is a very intense guy. Probably goes hand in hand with being one of the best martial artists of the 20th century. He’s not a cuddly spiritual teacher. Hes ruthlessly real with people and he’s actually backed off in recent years given the new younger generation. Back in the 80s and 90s that was no problem. You also have to understand that he’s acting. He’s not actually angry. It’s a theatric to wake people up out of their shit. In a sense it’s no different than an intense psychedelic that completely overwhelms your ego. Ralston isn’t one of those teachers that would appeal to modern young spiritual seekers for the most part unless you’re the kinda guy or girl that resonates with that ferrocity or can take it. All because it doesn’t resonate with you to diminish its value.

Good on her for taking responsibility and leaving. Very eye opening. This guru smelled like a cult leader since I first saw a video of him. Great lessons to be learned from this. @Leo Gura you’d like this.

I was not clear enough when I wrote that part you quoted. To be more specific, those experiences are never truth realization. I hate to use another Ralston example but it’s just such a clear example illustrate my point... he had one talk where he was talking about the nature of space and how one can have experience of seemingly infinite space but that alone doesn’t provide a direct consciousness into the true nature of space. Only when one becomes directly conscious that space doesn’t exist is that an enlightenment into the Absolute nature of objective reality and it’s nonexistent nature. To be more specific, using stories to create a cosmology around an experience that wasn’t actually say one of truth realization. Example: having an out of body experience and then creating a whole story about how you now know the nature of consciousness, enlightenment, reality, etc. To be succinct, it’s where the “knowledge”, as if, came. It’s the difference between if I met the real Leo Gura in Las Vegas and hung out with him for say 2 years and got to know you from you vs. just inventing an entire narrative only from watching your videos. Of course, in this example, my encounter with you in person would still be interpreted through mind, that is still nonetheless a nore genuine understanding interpreted via mind based on a direct experience of the matter rather than just fabricating something purely and solely from mind. Fair point

In yet it’s also the heart of sprituality of the highest order lol. Be careful with your accussations. If you had really low self esteem and not have had the chance to learn about the stuff we learn on here and came across this stuff, you could also get picked up into it.