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Shanmugam replied to charlie cho's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You are right.... You cannot find that example mentioned anywhere else other than Osho's talks.. Osho was the only one who gave that example... But the truth is, Ramakrishna just had a habit of reminding himself to drink water (not to eat food) to come out of samadhi. He used water to come down from Samadhi. Osho just exaggerated this and made it to a story, IMO. Also, Ramakrishna was fond of sweets (but was not really obsessed). Osho just mixed these two to make an anecdote. He was a great story teller and he always used to do this when he talked about any historical incident. In his anecdotes you will find his own screenplay and dialogues.. -
Shanmugam replied to charlie cho's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Not really a sannyasin.. I have never visited the ashram in Pune.. But his books were very helpful. You can read my whole story here. Prabhakar.... You clearly seem to be answering from what you have read in a book of Osho. Am I right? I am reminded of two of the Osho's talks from your reply. One was the talk in which he was criticizing Nirmala Srivastava.. But he clearly implied in that talk that she was not enlightened. I also read an interview article where Nirmala criticized Osho I don't believe that she was enlightened either. One of the things which made me skeptical about her was her idea of 'en masse enlightenment' .Go through this page: http://www.rebelliousspirit.com/osho-webzine/1480/show/sharing . So, this example is not an example of two real masters criticizing each other. Just as example of how Osho was exposing a fake one. I guess your second paragraph is coming from the memory of this Osho's talk you have read: http://oshosearch.net/Convert/Articles_Osho/Satyam_Shivam_Sundram/Osho-Satyam-Shivam-Sundram-00000006.html But I don't really think that his criticism of other enlightened people was a devise. Also, it is not that all masters criticize other masters. It was just his ego. From my observations, I see that enlightened people still have a subtle ego (which is actually needed when they interact with the society. But they no longer derive their identity from it. They just use it as a mask that they can put on when interacting with people). But ego, even after enlightenment, still retains its old defense mechanisms. His answer on why masters criticize each other is coming from his need to rationalize his behavior too. And of course, it is not only that a master has to defend his path, he also needs to defend himself as well. But mainly, Osho had a kind of personality that predisposed him to criticize people. It doesn't make him any less enlightened than other people. (Compare him with Ramana Mahirishi. He never criticized other masters because his personality was different.) .. To see some obvious examples of what I mean, read my article here: https://nellaishanmugam.wordpress.com/2017/05/10/the-journey-of-a-seeker-my-story/ I don't take many of what Osho said seriously anymore.. Sometimes he just said things which came to his mind as he was talking, the same way a person talks when he is just gossiping. He often exaggerated things and made them more dramatic. He spoke more directly and said the truth in his talks after his silence period in the US. When it comes to Sadhguru, I clearly noticed a trait in him. His tendency to imitate things. His attempt to speak in an American accent is an example. Another example is that he tries to imitate Osho. He uses the anecdotes of Osho. But he never talks about Osho. He doesn't criticize any enlightened master either. -
Shanmugam replied to charlie cho's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
When it comes to spiritual practice, Eckhart Tolle and Osho advocate the same thing: witnessing or mindfulness.. Osho talks about other paths as well, but his main emphasis was on mindfulness. But Sadhguru is all about Yoga. One can initiate himself into a spiritual sadhana just by reading the books of Osho and Eckhart Tolle. But to follow Sadhguru's path, one has to enroll in the courses offered by Isha and work their way up. Personally for me, I found all three of them to be helpful, but Osho's guidance was the best. I have explained my journey in my post here with my review of Osho and Sadhguru in detail: https://nellaishanmugam.wordpress.com/2017/05/10/the-journey-of-a-seeker-my-story/ But it is obvious that Sadhguru was influenced by Osho even though he doesn't reveal that. As Leo said, they have different personalities, different genetics and different upbringing. So, their uniqueness is reflected in their teachings and behavior.