Shanmugam

This is not about Nahm.. this has to do with my comprehension of English language, as the native speakers speak. ... By the way, being sarcastic is not wrong.. Sarcasm also has humor in it, as long as it is not a personal attack in disguise.. In fact, I was trying to be funny and looks like it didn't work out.

It is the merger of the subjective and the objective

.. It is just a communication problem. thats all! I used to work in the customer service, where we were asked to probe the customers with questions to understand what they are calling about.. That is when I first heard the word 'probing'... So, that is the only meaning I know for that word.. So, I couldn't understand what you meant you said 'more gentle than aliens' and i didn't realize 'probing' probably has another meaning.. I am not a native speaker of English, as you may be aware of..

ok good..

What does 'more gentle than the aliens' mean? Sorry, I am not good in understanding such phrases and I am not good in understanding sarcasm either... ..

Is your seeking complete? Do you still feel that there is something lacking or something is not enough?

No.. I was just trying to probe you with some questions..

Well, if you understand and experience the reality this way, in which the distinctions between 'experiencer', 'experience' and 'experiencing' disappear, you would also know that you can't really seek further. Because, this merger of the triad is enlightenment. There is no more seeking and no more craving to accumulate experiences... Then distinct experiences which come and go do not matter! This is the experience of Absolute!

@Nahm not a typo, a huge blunder that I made in English language.. I just realized it..

@Nahm 26 years is quite a long time.. Do you understand what it means when I talk about the merger of 'experiencer', 'experiencing' and 'experience'?

@Nahm I am asking you a simple question.. When did you first come to know that there is such a thing called 'enlightenment'... You can just answer it, it is not so difficult.

@playdoh no.. Just complete the book.. but make it slow .. The actual spiritual practice happens when you read the book. Allow his words to work on you and just read with open mind. Once you complete the book, you may have more clear idea on what to do. Also read this excerpt from Osho: My way of meditation is very simple. There are one hundred and twelve methods of meditation. Out of all of those I have chosen the most simple – the most easily done. I call it witnessing. The moment you witness something you become separate from it, you are the witness, the thing becomes an object – the witnessed. If you are walking on the road, and you are also witnessing that you are walking – not going along just like a robot, mechanical, everyday habit, the road is known, the legs know it, you can even walk with closed eyes. But walking with absolute alertness every step, every fall of a leaf, every ray of the sun, every bird flying in front of you, fully alert… slowly, slowly, you become aware that you are not the body that is walking, you are something inside which is witnessing. Once you have witnessed your body, you have got the knack of the method. Then you start witnessing your thoughts – sitting silently, just watching the rush of thoughts, not interfering, not saying, “This is good. This is bad.” Not justifying, not appreciating, no judgment… non-judgmental witnessing, just like the mirror. Anybody passes by, the mirror reflects it; that’s all, it makes no comment. Strangely enough, when you stop making comments on the thoughts, they begin to stop; your comments keep them alive. Once you are simply a mirrorlike witness, thoughts disappear, and you become aware of a deeper layer, of emotions, moods, which are very subtle. You are not even aware many times that you are sad. You are often not aware of what your emotional state is – it is very deep, there is a thick layer of thoughts. When thoughts have stopped, then you become aware of a very subtle breeze – and there is a great joy to see it pass. The method remains the same – you remain a witness without judgment. First body, second mind, third heart. And the fourth happens on its own. I call my way the fourth way because after the third you cannot do anything. Once your emotions and moods disappear, suddenly there is a quantum leap – the witness has nothing to witness anymore. It comes home. It witnesses itself. It becomes both the seer and the seen, the object and the subject, and for the first time you have unity. This experience of absolute organic unity of your consciousness has been called by different names – moksha, nirvana, liberation, enlightenment, illumination. Whatever word you choose makes no difference. But this is the ultimate peak, this is the ultimate goal of human life. So my method is very simple. You need not even sit to do it. You can do it anywhere – walking on the street, sitting in the bus, sitting in the plane, eating, even sleeping. When you are going to sleep you don’t fall asleep suddenly, it takes a few minutes; just watch how the sleep comes in. Slowly, slowly, you will see sleep coming in, and as your witnessing becomes deeper there comes a moment when you can see that the whole night you are asleep yet still alert. I have tried almost all one hundred and twelve methods. That list is exhaustive, there is no possibility of adding a single method more. You can make a method of combinations, but those one hundred and twelve are exhaustive. Out of them all I have chosen witnessing, because most of them are based on this in different ways. ” – The Last Testament Volume 4: Chapter 15 by Osho

@Nahm What happened? Whether it is 2 years or 20 years, whatever it is.. Just say it..

@Nahm Just tell me the answer...how long has it been since you heard about non-duality?

@Deep and what do you mean by that? Don't come to conclusions yet... There is a long way to go.. The only sin that you can commit on the spiritual path is to coming to conclusions.. I am using the word 'sin' just to make a point, by the way. Don't conclude anything.. This is a rule of thumb you need to remember when it comes to spiritual path. You will come across many contradictions and confusions as you proceed further. There will be hundreds of moments when you will be tempted to conclude you are enlightened; and there will be hundreds of moments when you will be tempted to conclude that enlightenment is bullshit... You need to keep going non-stop, with no conclusions at all! Truth, God, Brahman, Atman, Self, Absolute, Tao etc are just different words that mean the same... It is just your true nature hidden behind the veil of ignorance.

@Nahm how long has it been since you heard about enlightenment or non-duality?

@Deep what do you mean by God?

@Deep i have read Ramakrishna quite extensively.. He is one of a kind. If you put a coin under Ramakrishna's bed, he will shout in pain. But you won't see the use with Ramana Maharishi... There are lots of reasons why people feel peace and go through epiphany in the presence of some one who is enlightened.. Too many factors are there.. One of them is this: since they are completely free of a sense of self, you will see a tranquility on their face and eyes.. Their talk can call your mind. Sometimes it can cause an epiphany too..

@Deep I am not saying Ramakrishna was not enlightened. I am saying your conclusion about enlightenment is wrong.. Think about the following statements: 1) Mark is enlightened 2) Mark is six foot tall. 3) therefore, all enlightened people are six foot tall..

I have been through many spiritual experiences and countless aha moments... But at one point, the triad of experiencer, experiencing and experience merges together.. This is the end of seeking.. So right now, there are no distinctions...

@Deep The problem with enlightenment is that that there is too much information available, and 95% of them are myths..Don't make assumptions about it yet based on what you have read...

Osho elaborates so beautifully about God and the lies: God is the greatest lie you can ever find, because on that lie thousands of other lies depend. Churches, religious organizations go on multiplying lies upon lies, just to protect one lie. You have to understand the psychology of lying. The first thing about lying is that you need a good memory because you have to remember. You lie to someone about something, to somebody else about something else; you have to remember what you have said to one and what you have said to the other. Truth needs no remembrance. Truth is always there, just the same. You don't have to cram it in your memory. Memory gives you a bondage, a prison; it clings around you, covers you so much, slowly, slowly that you disappear completely. Truth is uncovering yourself from all lies. And there is a sudden revelation that you are part of the immense truth I am calling existence. You don't need any churches, you don't need any temples, you don't need any mosques; you need only a prayerful heart, a loving heart, a grateful heart. That is your real temple. That will transform your whole life. That will help you to discover not only yourself, but the very depths of this immense existence. We are almost like the waves of the ocean – just on the surface, and the ocean may be miles deep. The Pacific Ocean is five miles deep. But a small wave on the top will never know the depth – her own depth, because she is not separate from the ocean. She will cling to her small entity, be afraid about death, be afraid of losing herself in the vastness, the oceanic infinity. But the truth is, the death of the wave is not a death, but the beginning of an eternal life. - Osho, Hari Om Tat Sat, Talk #9 Read the full talk here: http://www.osho.com/read/osho/vision/god-versus-existence

ok.. :) Which part of India are you from? And how long have you been listening to/reading Sadhguru? Have you attended the programs or his satsangs?

Do you know peepal tree? That is Bodhi tree. You can read the life story of Buddha online. Just Google and you will find many sources... But there is nothing special about the tree anyway. What is outside doesn't matter.

I am fine.. Why?