Shanmugam

It is not about 'like' or 'dislike'... I am more concerned about the abusive behaviour that goes on among his followers. I wrote this yesterday, read this: https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Indian-Christians-so-paranoid-about-Sadhguru/answer/Shanmugam-P-12

Only you can say for sure if your seeking has ended. Is there still a craving for 'becoming'? What kind of self-agenda or to-do list you have for future? Do you still feel that you have to get somewhere? What @Saumaya has stated in his thread 'Post enlightenment observations' is the same as what I would have described if someone has asked for my observations on my own transformation. You can recognize such reports easily even though they are being conveyed in different words. The feeling of lightness in the body, the absence of distinction between inside and outside, a complete sense of freedom and fulfillment etc are some of the things which are common among such reports. But anyway, once the seeking is over, you will be sure that your 'personal' journey is over; Your story will completely lose its significance and you will not need any external confirmation. Also, since you mentioned about smoking weed, I can tell you that weed can sometimes give you a sense of fake enlightenment. If you smoke weed very frequently like once in a day and also meditating, it may be very convincing but it only lasts until the effects of the weed completely fades away.That may take about a month, sometimes.. So it is also very important to see how long it has been since you stopped smoking weed. Above all, one thing is very important! Enlightenment doesn't require an external confirmation.

Oh! March 2016!!!! .. I didn't notice the date

I just quoted this thread in another thread! Is this a coincidence? Yeah, it happens to everyone.. After enlightenment, no one can talk about it right way. There may be rare exceptions. But most of the people have been silent about it at least for 1 or 2 years. Because, everything is forgotten.. I forgot to think about anything in the world except things those occured in front of my eyes! It was a really crazy time...

I want to catch hold of him today... That is the point of the conversation...If a seeker is seeking enlightenment, that is different. But being still a seeker, if one goes on preaching to everybody, addressing 'you guys' in general and assuming things about them, while he himself is not yet out of duality is dangerous! This is like blind man leading to another blind man! Many people in this forum think that enlightenment comes so easily in a year or two, after just reading some books and meditating everyday for a year or two. This is how 'sadhguru's are created. . When such people start teaching about non-duality, it creates more and more confusion! I have already seen enough of such people and the seekers who get totally confused with wrong teachings... He at least needs to understand where he is at in his journey. But he has convinced himself into thinking that enlightenment is something which goes on happening in his entire life. According to him, one can be less or more enlightened! It was very clear to me when he started the following thread: This is one of the best ways to get trapped! Because now it gives him a license to preach to others. Now he can say 'guys, you guys don't understand yet! ' .. I first want to break this myth completely from this forum. A good spiritual community like this should not get confused by two or three people who want to take a huge control over others and create confusion. Whenever a person discovers a new insight, it is a common bias for such a typical person to think that nobody else except him understands it. This is where the word 'you guys' comes from! Sometimes such people require a huge blow to their egos to realize where they are at. Andrew Cohen, a teacher of non-duality was teaching people by conducting satsang for many years. Just recently, a few years ago he realized that he was deluding himself. He apologized to everyone and said that he wants to give up his role as a teacher. Immediately, people started criticising him. But actually, he deserved a criticism before, when he was in the delusion (at least to give a blow). He deserves an appreciation once he declared that he was deluded into thinking he was enlightened. It takes enormous courage to do that! If it was someone else, he or she would have not disclosed it and would have continued the game. @Joseph Maynor usually avoids discussing with me or replying to me, even if I answer a question in a thread that he himself started. He has done it more than 10 times now. If he doesn't want to acknowledge an answer that I post to his own thread and doesn't want to even have a discussion, then why open a thread? One sign of non-duality is a complete loss of fear; a man on non-duality will not scared of getting offended. Because, no one can really touch his core. If he is willing, let him discuss with me freely. Unless he has the fear of getting offended, he wouldn't be avoiding a discussion. Let me see how friendly he is to others first and how open he is to have a conversation with me. I already told him very clearly in another thread about where he is stuck. @Joseph Maynor.. Enlightenment is binary! It is not my belief or opinion.. It is not what I think.. It is the truth.. A person is either enlightened or not! A person can get a glimpse and may feel like he is getting closer and closer to enlightenment. At this stage, it is very easy to start to think that enlightenment is not binary. But the seeking certainly ends at one point! Just by the nature of questions you are asking and the posts you make, not only me but a few people who are advanced enough can clearly see that you are living in duality. May be you are more dedicated than others. But don't allow your ego to derive a sense of identity from this dedication..

Who? Me? Should I say that this is your projection, the word you often use? I don't have any problem or confusion... There is only one mistake you are making again and again. I understand that you understand. But you don't understand that I understand. Do you understand? You heard about enlightenment in 2015 after watching Leo's video, as per your own statement. I heard about enlightenment when I was 10 years old, really understood it when I was about 18 or 19 years old and surrendered to existence when I had my first glimpse in 2002... There is a full circle that one has to complete... Don't get caught up in comparison. If it happens, be aware of it! There is no comparison exists in non-duality. It is a great irony when people are trying to help me, when I am actually trying so hard to help them.. I am totally non-violent. But I am totally willing to kill that guy who discovered the concept of projection. ... (I know it is true; but it has been used way too much in this forum as an objection)

@Joseph Maynor We are using the words differently here.. I understand when you say there is really no choice.. But when I said there is a choice every moment, I used that phrase instead of saying 'I choose to do what to do every moment'... Because saying 'I choose to do what to do every moment' implies there is a chooser, a separate entity who thinks he has control. Enlightenment is the complete destruction of illusion that you are an entity separate from reality. So, the statement 'there is a choice every moment' is the appropriate statement for me to make in the context of my post. I didn't want to create an implication that after enlightenment one becomes a zombie and operates like a robot. If I hold an apple in my right hand and orange in my left hand and ask an enlightened person 'what do you want to pick'?, he will consciously pick one. A choice is being made here. You can call that as a choice of existence if you want. This is what I mean when I say there is a choice. But the idea 'I am the chooser' is gone! So, it is indeed a paradox in the language. I was trying to put the experience of non-duality into words as close as I can, as an attempt to answer the OP. Are you willing to discuss further and let me know if you agree or disagree?

@Jawor May I ask you how old you are?

ok.. but are you disagreeing with me on anything here in the discussion? Because, you are right about surrender and that there is really no control.... And I don't disagree. But if you disagree with anything that I said, let me know so that we can discuss..

A NEW DAY In the morning remember it is a new day, a new beginning. Have a decision deep in your heart that "Today I am not going to waste this opportunity. Enough is enough! Today I am going to be aware, today I am going to be alert, today I am going to devote as much energy as possible to the single cause, the cause of meditation. I will meditate in all my acts. I will do all the activities, the usual day-to-day activities, but with a new quality: I will bring the quality of awareness to them." Osho

@Joseph Maynor You understand the paradox right? When I say there is a choice every moment, I mean that I am not a zombie.. There is still an ability to make decisions. But, in reality, those decisions are not mine! Let me put it this way. Is there really something called artificial? No! Man himself is a part of nature. Whatever a man does is an expression of the reality itself. But the man things that they are his own actions. We use the word 'artificial' for practical purposes, but there is nothing artificial at all, including the choices we make.. Language can be very tricky...

@Joseph Maynor I don't believe in anything.. As, @Saumaya said, there is a paradox here... In reality, there is really no free will but it appears to be. There is a choice each and every moment. But after enlightenment, (in my experience) the choosing happens spontaneously without the sense of a chooser.

@TheEnlightenedWon What makes one do an action? There is a topic called 'Motivation' in Psychology, which talks about this. There are many things which motivate us to do things; for example, there are biological drives like food, sex, and sleep; there is a motivation to seek an optimal arousal level, and many other things.. Enlightenment is nothing but the end of seeking (the seeking to end the psychological sense of lack); Right now, in my experience the psychological sense of lack is absent; the sense of a separate self is absent; there are wholeness, peace and complete freedom. But there is still action and growth; It continues without a sense of doer-ship. But it doesn't mean I am on autopilot either! There is a choice each and every moment. So, I would say that my actions are exactly the same as before; but they are done out of intrinsic motivation. It means doing something in the sheer joy of doing it. But this is a tricky topic. Because a person who is still living in the separation, with the sense of doer-ship and duality, cannot exactly imagine this. He is somehow going to assume that duality is still there after enlightenment. I can put it this way. I can no longer see life as a journey from point A to Point B. It has become very spontaneous. So there is a major 'binary' difference between enlightenment and duality. Enlightenment is pretty much like a rebirth!

Not recently.. I have listened to him a long back, maybe watched a couple of videos. I also remember reading something written by Adyashanti about 10 years back..

@Shin

@Shin This is the full image.. Do you see the smile?

Not sure.. But I was focusing on taking a clear selfie with no blur. Maybe thats the reason why it looks so..

@Ether yes

Yes.. be slow in reading the book..

ok... Here is my video:

@Ether no.. thats not me bro.. What made you think it was me?.. You are going to be accused of distracting others.. Nice song anyway!

When tomorrow is no longer a concern, when it is realized that life is always in the Now, you are happy..

good ..

@Ether I am fine dude... Still feeling pleasant?