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@Ampresus They're all looking at the tree from different angles, one might think the tree is ugly, one might see the tree as beautiful with vibrant colors. One might view the tree with a neutral perspective. One might have a blurred vision and see the tree as a brown and green blob, while another has clear vision and sees the tree clearly. One might focus on the insects on the tree, one may focus on the leaves of the tree.

@Charlotte Definitely not a perfect match but yea I'd say as close as they can get just like you said. I just don't really think understanding and accepting every perspective makes a huge difference when it comes to intimate relationships, but in my opinion people in general usually go for a partner who has many similarities with each other. @Joseph Maynor Hmm very interesting insights, especially with what you said about Turquoise. thanks for the post @Shiva Definitely, especially with their kind being so rare. @archi True, about yellow maybe. Maybe in the short-term, but I don't think they would be able to sustain it in the long-term. And when I say long-term I mean at least 5 years. @ajasatya You're speaking in the perspective of turquoise I assume. How important is it for your partner to share similarities and if yes then how do you find someone like that?

@BestLifePossible Personally I don't play a lot of sports, but I'm heavily into fitness training which my results are dependent only on me and not team-based. But my perspective on this topic is that it really depends on the people around you that you're playing the sport with. Of course at a younger age its mainly about the fun of the game, if you're playing with friends or PE class in elementary school. Then at an older age if you play professionally with money or some kind of reward on the line, then in that case the orange "win at all costs" mentality is pretty much required in order to achieve a certain result. But if you change the context and play the sport with friends and family at home, with no money on the line, then in that case it would be played just for fun. A lot of times these types of mentalities are required and has its place in certain situations. If you played a competitive game in any sport just for fun of it and no pressure involved while the opposing team is playing to win then in my opinion I'd say your team is more likely to lose. At a job, the results-oriented mentality is also pretty much required in order to get stuff done, depending on the job. If you do the job at a slow-pace taking your time and enjoying yourself, then you'll probably get fired. Really depends on the people around you and the context of the situation

Please Vancouver! But will try and make my way from Vancouver to Seattle if it doesn’t happen in the near future

I’ve gotten to a point in my life where I can say I’ve emotionally detached myself from a lot of things in my life. Over the past couple years I’ve gained a lot more self-acceptance, and more acceptance of the things around me. But how do I reach the next level? I admit it, I’m not fully there yet, and I’ve got a bit of a manipulative, loud, and emotionally reactive chinese boss/manager at work that gets a bit tough to deal with. I do pretty well with not yelling and reacting to her overreactions, but her reactions sort of get to my mind and it bothers me. She makes a big deal about the smallest things, and a lot of the time its an assumption created in her mind. “WHY YOU DO THIS?!” “I didn’t?” “Oh never-mind.” How can I reach the next level in my detachment to external situations like this and deal with this person more effectively?

Everyone write your predictions of what this video could be about down below . My predictions: SD Stage Beige-Red, topic on shadow work, or another video on the topic of non-duality

Haven’t finished the video, but me personally I probably wouldn’t try this. Food is energy, and if you're someone who likes to hit up the gym consistently, you need to get enough calories each day. Calories to lift the weights or do the cardio in the first place, and take in more calories because you’ve burned hundreds of calories after your workout. But I’m not saying that doesn’t work, it probably does for some people and if so, then cool. And also like one of the posts above said, it depends on the person and exercise quantity.

This.

Weightlifting 5 days a week, having a specific day for each muscle part. Chest day, shoulder day, leg day, etc. Saturday is full body for me so I usually include ab workouts and cardio in there. Also I bike to work mon to fri for the rat race 9-5 grind. Most importantly, get enough calories in and your protein as well.

I'm in the same situation and I would say it was possible for me. Used to have the feeling that I NEEDED a girlfriend in highschool. Had a ton of crushes on different girls and all of that. I was always the quiet shy kid. After highschool that desperation pushed me to work on myself through personal development, and I even got into pickup for a year. Not a lot of success there but it was worth the shot. Now I'm at a point where I've accepted the fact that I've been single for a long while and myself so much that I love my solitude. I love being alone. I've let go of so many things that I just value my time and doing my own thing so much more than anything else. Also used to have some great friends growing up, but now I just don't feel a huge need for any of that anymore. It became a choice for me to live in solitude. Just keep working on yourself and you will eventually reach the point that you're looking for.

@Lorcan Reading this post made me think of this video: Leo mentions a "softening" in his stance, not participating in mudslinging contests, etc. at around 53:53 in this video. So what you're looking for in Leo or people Tier 2 and above is quite unlikely to happen. Besides, mankind is evolving at the perfect rate right now, everything happening right now is a part of the process. Even if Red is currently dominating, that's a part of the process. It may be quite a while until we see an increase in the percentage of Tier 2 people in the global population, but it will happen eventually. Think about how society got to its current Blue/Orange level. Beige and purple is pretty much non-existent at this point, and same thing will happen with Red, and Blue, and Orange, several years down the road.

@Joseph Maynor Yellow, because of their overall bigger picture understanding. In my own take on it, this is when the individual starts to let go of assumptions and takes everything into consideration. Generally speaking, most people are quick to judge someone and say they’re incompetent, or lazy, for example, without putting every single possibility into the perspective. Maybe he’s not lazy, maybe he’s just in a bad mood or recently got out of depression. Maybe he’s still getting comfortable with the enivronment. Maybe he’s too stuck in his head. Maybe a family member passed. Personally I’d say if the specific behavior persists for several months, then you can come to some sort of conclusion about that person, rather than judging within’ the first month. And this doesn’t just happen with assumptions about other people, but about life, about different situations, about almost everything. So with this type of thinking, its quite rare for them to get angry or reactive towards someone or some thing. Another thing to add is their interest in connecting the dots. Sometimes even unecessarily doing so. “So we’re the supplier for several companies selling at this price, let me figure out the buyer’s profit potential on this order.” But why, you’re just an employee who gets paid hourly.. Even better example, connecting the dots on how an individual is mentally conditioned into being the way that they are. Growing up in a certain environment, around specific people, what they spent most of their time doing, what they fed their mind with, etc. So I would sort of imagine most Yellow people have at least some interest in psychology, because to me, psychology seems like its mainly about observing and connecting the dots when it comes to certain human behaviors. How does one develop this kind of mental disorder? Well, this, this, and this occurs and that is the end result.

@non_nothing Edit: will dm you

@non_nothing This is just a thread listing a couple things I’ve learned from different sources online and from a couple books. That’s pretty much why its called “The Theory of Getting Rich Online in a Nutshell Thread.” Which is also appropriate for this category in these forums which is “Life Purpose, Career, Entrepreneurship.” I appreciate you sharing your perspective, now this thread will continue on to help other people who are in a different position in their lives than you are, and are still trying to figure their financial situation out. It doesn’t make any sense to bash these career paths in the way that you did, unless you’re seeking validation for your level of “consciousness.” I’m not sharing life purposes here, they’re just different ideas on making money online. I understand your opinions, but there’s nothing wrong with any of these career paths. Plus if you’re into the model of Spiral Dynamics, getting through stage Orange is probably the most important part of the process of growing and reaching the next levels on the spiral. One can always earn some money from one of these ideas and move on to their life purpose several years down the road. Especially if they might possibly take 10-20 years to solidfy their life purpose and actually make a living off of it. So let’s quit all the talking, now tell me, what exactly do you do? Did you escape the 9-5 rat race? Do you have your life purpose figured out? If yes, are you earning money from it? How much money are you earning from it? Btw I have taken Leo’s LP course 3-4 years ago and I will admit, its not that easy to create something out of it.

@EternalForest Maybe its this one

@bejapuskas I don’t know what your house is like but me personally I have a laptop and I use it by my bed. No one can see what I’m watching, and no one can hear what I listen to because I also got headphones. Honestly, everyone is different so I don’t go around telling people about self-actualization even if it could help them. If I can see potential in them and open-mindedness, then in that case I probably would talk to them about it. But mainly I think that most people who do self-actualization are already interested in it and naturally drawn towards it. Forcing people to learn about it is like a mechanic trying to force everyone around him to be a mechanic when not everyone would be interested in it. Or a biochemist trying to teach everyone to be a biochemist because they make good money. You get the point. Plus if people are clearly searching for help, then they will search for it themselves. I actually already keep my work private, no point in telling others, and no point in teaching others about what I do, even if it might help them. If they’re interested, maybe they’ll ask.

@bejapuskas Honestly if they’re going to be like that, then you might as well not tell them about your goals, achievements, and what you pursue in life, in terms of general self-help or self-actualization. I don’t know if its good for your relationship with your parents to tell them everything about your life, but why do so if they’re not going to support it? Me personally, I keep my life pretty private. I don’t tell my parents everything I do, especially my Mom. Leaving my 9-5 job and becoming financially independant has always been a goal for me, I’ve tried several things but they all haven’t done too well. If I told her what I’m trying right now, she would probably bring up my past failures that I’ve told her about. Because a lot of people think that someone’s past failures means failure in the future. Which is not true at all. Although my Dad can be pretty open-minded so I tell him some of the things I do. Pretty much the reason why some people are unsupportive of growth is because it makes them look bad if they’re not doing it. Or they’re scared you’ll leave them. They want you to be at least at their level of psychological growth or below, not any higher. I view self-actualization as something to be kept private. I rarely ever go and tell people at work or at home or anyone else that I do it. Not that I’m embarassed or anything but everyone is different and people will always have their opinions.

@bejapuskas Huh? Not sure why you’re using the words “you” as if what you’re saying is directed towards me. But I think you mean to say “I can take it as..” I mean, you’re admitting to what kind of relationship you have with your parents in this thread, and this seems like a very good insight to take in so maybe there’s some truth to it. Often times it can be difficult balancing inner and outer world. Because our outer world problems seem so much more real than our inner world problems. But its good to have a healthy balance working between the two rather than one or the other.

@okulele Wow. Reading that made me just think, "holy shit." I have never heard of that insight before, and I don't know how valid it really is, but that just seems so true to me. My relationship with my Mom isn't the best. She's extremely extroverted and overall a very talkative and loud person. With that being said, sometimes I choose not to say anything because she's going to go on talking very loudly for ages, not even matching my tone of voice, and isn't the best listener. My relationship with my Dad is a lot better. Its crazy that he's the complete opposite of my Mom. He's extremely introverted, probably the most quietest person I know. Although we can have some great conversations about different topics that I'm interested in, and he's a good listener. So what you just said made me realize so much. I don't have the best relationship with my Mom, and I don't have the best relationship with my Outer world these days because I focus so much on my Inner world. And having a great relationship with my Dad, I have a great relationship with my inner world. What?? My mind is blown.

@bejapuskas I say give pickup a try, it could help you deepen your understanding of Orange. If you don’t like it then just simply stop and find another route. Not sure if most psychologists understand Spiral Dynamics, especially if her services are free. But of course I don’t know her. Generally speaking, what they teach in school about psychology are the basic topics like personality, body language, personality disorders, family, etc. I think would be quite rare to find a psycholgist who understands what Leo talks about. But you can definitely go ahead and talk to her about dating/relationships. That’s a topic she may know about.

@bejapuskas I mean I wouldn’t say I’m an expert on this topic but some practical suggestions for you would be: Join meetup groups in your area If you’re in highschool, join clubs and meet more people Go the Orange pickup route and approach girls your age in public. Move out of your country or state Meet more people who would possibly introduce you to their friends or family. Then one thing leads to another you might meet your future girlfriend. Of course not a lot of people have the luxury of moving out of their country but I’m just throwing some suggestions out there. There’s not a lot to say on the theory side of things because it all boils down to taking the practical steps and just going out there and meeting people. One thing to add though is try not to judge people for where they stand on the spiral. It can be very limiting and if you just want to date girls Yellow and above then you will be searching for a very long time. Just look for girls who you can connect with on a romantic level. Not necessarily on an intellectual level because attraction isn’t mainly about how well you guys can connect on an intellectual level. Besides, you can always be the one that encourges them to grow along with you down the road. Just try not to lecture them.

@bejapuskas They would be assumptions if I made statements claiming things about you. For example, “No you’re not yellow, I know everything about your life, you are stage red and blue.” Where have I made my assumptions? Next time use the quote feature on this forum and quote me. I would be more than happy to explain what I mean. And I’m not making assumptions about the blue/green/orange/yellow individuals. I’m sharing my insights, from personal experience, and knowledge from 2 different sources which is Leo’s videos, and spiraldynamicsintegral.nl. Plus, I use the words “Generally speaking” or “unlikely.” If you don’t understand it or don’t see it as valid ideas, then I don’t really care. Again, my own insights here and referring to Leo’s videos, if you see it as an assumption, then that’s your persepctive on it and that doesn’t matter to me. But what I’m trying to say about yellow isn’t about rejecting others, or being an asshole or an arrogant cockhead. To others it may seem that way but in reality he/she is mainly just in his/her head about complex analysis and ideas, etc. They work on the sidelines, and don’t care too much about validation or love from others. The stage yellow person doesn’t make a conscious effort to go and be cold and distant around others, its just who they are and it just happens. Sure you can try and show affection with people and socialize but that’s acting out of integrity and it doesn’t last too long. This is who I am, I’m basically describing my life, and again, if you view it as an assumption of yellow, just go to the site I shared with you or Leo’s videos to see if what I’m saying matches up. And you’re right, Yellow can find these people but they are not easy to find. This is one thing I struggle with, I only know 1 person in my life who watches Leo’s videos. Sometimes I make the effort to try to meet these people, but most of the time I don’t because I’m not in school, I just focus on my work at home. Although meetup groups may seem like a good idea but I’m mainly focused on what I do. By the way did you read my edit in my last post? Don’t know if you have, doesn’t seem like you responded to it on the last post. Oh well

@bejapuskas Notice how I haven’t really made the mistake of making any assumptions about you. And I definitely didn’t tell you what color you are. In my post previous to this one, I also said “I don’t know what you life is like.” Actually, there can be Orange adults who aren’t pragmatic. Pragmatism is important for everyone and every stage on the spiral, even stage turquoise. An unhealthy stage turquoise person can be stuck in spirituality too much and not take any action. An unhealthy yellow person can analyze way too much in their head and invent impossible businesses that seem like it would solve all our problems but its not pragmatic. Imagine Leo is Turquoise, which obviously we don’t know. And imagine he wasn’t pragmatic and stopped making actualized.org videos because he was stuck meditating in a cave. Wouldn’t that be a problem for him and for all his viewers? I didn’t say yellow people lack social skills. I’m saying its “unlikely” for them to build a ton of relationships. Generally speaking, they tend to value learning over love or friendships. Personally I think that Yellow should have decent social skills after living through Orange. Orange is the phase where ‘most people’ would take action, do pickup, network with other businessmen, go to toastmasters, etc. Especially with yellow being able to view life through multiple perspectives, they have the ability to re-visit the stages below them. If it makes sense for a certain situation in their life, they will go ahead and do that. If the yellow person needs to make some money, they will look back ar stage Orange, and try and implement some of those insights they’ve learned at that stage into some business. If they understand that they’re too cold and distant around their family, then they will go back to green and try to reconnect with them a little bit. Edit: Another thing I wanted to add and ask is, if you’ve reached green and above, what happened to Orange? You mentioned “it didn’t really work.” Then now you’re green. Orange is actually a very important stage to go through. And if you’re 15, how could you have been through it all? Orange usually occurs when one develops some pragmatism, then maybe looks into entrepreneurship. And it doesn’t necessarily mean entrepreneurship but I would say it could mean taking business courses at school, finance, etc. or picking up a sales job. So I don’t know how you view it, but to try to reach the top as fast as possible isn’t the most ideal thing to do. This is my assumption but it seems like you’re proud of being 15 and reaching stage green as quick as possible. That’s another reason why its hard for someone to say that you’ve reached yellow because to reach yellow means to fully understand and experience the stages below it. Watching videos doesn’t count. If you’re curious I am mainly referring to my own knowledge, my own experiences, and this site over here: http://spiraldynamicsintegral.nl/en/

@bejapuskas Hey, you seem like a nice kid but I think you need to question why people here are saying you’re not Yellow. This is what the true Yellow person would do, look at the situation from other people’s perspectives rather than dismiss what people are saying and think “nope, I’m Yellow.” Most of us here are a lot older and have a decent amount of knowledge about how life works. So I think the reason why most people here are saying you’re not Yellow is because most people at a young age hasn’t had enough life experience yet. Most teenagers are focused on Highschool and hasn’t even stepped out into the real world yet. Also, you make it seem like Spiral Dynamics is a simple model, in which its not. And to reach the higher levels on the model means to actually go through multiple experiences rather than just watching countless videos. To say you’re reaching higher levels on the model is pretty much the same thing as saying you’re a lot more healthier and stronger in the gym just by watching gym videos on Youtube. Another good way to figure out what stage you are at on the model, is to look at the friends you hang out with. Its very unlikely for a stage Yellow person to build strong friendships with people below their level. Not necessarily in an arrogant way but it happens sub-consciously. Even though they are open-minded and accept people as they are, generally speaking, just like every other stage they will mainly surround themselves with like-minded individuals. Stage Red criminals will hang out with other criminals so they can go out and do crime. Orange businessmen will do business with other Orange businessmen, and so on. Also just understand that learning and growing does not equal stage Yellow. Growth is also a stage Orange value. Everyone in school values learning too, does that mean they’re all Yellow? Your teachers are Yellow because they value learning, went to University and studied some field for 4-8 years? Like I said, nice kid, you’re lucky to find Leo’s videos at an early age, but this stuff is way more complex than it seems. Keep at it though, you’re still ahead of a lot of teenagers out there.

@bejapuskas Wait a sec, let me give you my perspective on stage yellow. Rather than trying to judge you and telling you what stage you are, just let me share some of my insights and then maybe it could help you determine where you’re at. Because only you can know where you’re at, although the ego can get in the way and blind side you. Especially being age 15, a lot of teenagers don’t fully know themselves yet. Even people in their 20s or 30s don’t know themselves yet. It takes A LOT of introspection and studying for someone to fully understand themselves. Also, to know about Spiral Dynamics still isn’t enough. One must apply it and go through the processes. Being at any one of these stages determines the way you live your life. I don’t know what your life is like but here is my perspective on stage yellow behaviors and maybe you can try and compare. Stage yellow actually lives a life of very complex analytical thinking. Because of this complex way of living, they can be a bit too preoccupied with their thoughts, so often times they have little to no friends at all. Several reasons why they tend not to have many friends is because they find more value in learning at home or some place, than to waste time socializing. Another reason can be because they tend to know the most and it can be a bit frustrating when other people don’t understand them and their complex ideas so it can definitely turn into a bit of arrogance (in the early stages of yellow) on the yellow person’s side. That’s all I’ll say about yellow for now. But to do pickup is more of an Orange value, so its hard to even say a yellow person would find much value in doing pickup. And by my definition of pickup, I mean to go out with other guys and cold approach random girls in public at the club or on the streets for example.