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@Philipp Well, other than the contradiction in your words it just doesn't seem like you were doing self help anyway, it appears you were listening to others talk about their own experience. Yet, I will agree it is common that people talk quite a bit about abstract ideas that are complicated and are hard to apply to one's own life. Although, watching videos or reading about other people's experiences and ideas isn't actually doing your own inner work, if you had done any you would have at least some change noticeable even if it may not be a huge transformation just yet. So, sure, stop watching videos and reading if you are stagnating on that but actually start doing inner work, that will have an effect. Besides, even if you don't do any personal work that doesn't mean you aren't changing, we always change, it only means the change that is happening is molded largely by others input randomly and your own influence in those changes is little to non-existent.

@alyra We are all the kitty, we are infinite kitties, we are the unified kitty, we are the absolute kitty, we are yet to be kitty..... even if we aren't aware of it, even if we only perceive the every day kitty that we slink around with in this life. I have expanded awareness so that I can not just perceive each of those kitty states on their own but I can perceive all of them simultaneously. I attune awareness to just being present in the state of kittiness as it is naturally....now. In being at peace with the kitty as it is, finding fulfillment in being kittiness, enjoying being the kitty in whatever kitty is. We can expand, transcend, transform and all the rest of these methods and exercises all day long, every day for our whole life but without the experience of contentment in just being with each state, with each change in each moment it won't create that experience of peace, joy and fulfillment at the 'end' of some 'path'. Every manifest of kitty is what it is, it's only us with a yearning for knowledge that will find a reason to label kitty true or false, good or bad, real or an illusion. We are just dancing with kitties and sometimes the kitty purrs, sometimes it scratches and other times indifferent as we know kitties can be. Be at peace with kitty how ever it manifests, this peace will open awareness to all the kitties, the one kitty and the kitty that has to be. Meow!

@Faceless Yes, thought still happens even without memory recall and retention. In fact, it could be argued that a disease or disorder that inhibits one's memory may actually free thought from the conditioning of the past so could be a benefit for enlightenment work. Consider how much of enlightenment ideas are about not being distracted by the past and future so to be aware of only the present moment.

@Faceless Someone who has an inability to recall or retain memories still thinks, they are thinking of present moment interactions and their ability to function may be inhibited because of their memory debilitation but they still have thoughts.

Alzheimer's, your wait is done....obviously it's not so obvious to you and it's not a fact, just a mistaken belief of yours.

These are your beliefs about belief.

You say self help is worthless and that all you need to know is you will learn it your self so it's no wonder you don't change but you aren't even aware of it because you are distracted by your addiction.......

There are people who believe their delusions are the truth and want to convince you to believe their beliefs are the truth, too.

Stop asking and starting being..... it really is this simple. Do wild animals self inquire? Does your pet ask who they are? No, they just be..... so just be. Being aware doesn't require knowing 'who'..... we are a human being not a who-man being!

A sage isn't one until observed as being.... one.

Very.

The ego may die...naturally and that is of it's own evolution but one who is just being in acceptance of what is, is not one that wants to commit egocide. Besides, the point was that even if the ego dies....there is nothing left to remember it or teach it, so those that suggest they do remember or teach it, haven't really experienced it.

Yes, but for the sake of the metaphor there was an illumination of distinctions, so are you aware that if you really didn't want to draw any distinctions, why did you use one at all?

I will consider what kind of pie.... mmmmmmmmm pie.

Start with inner work, cease to see them there first and that pattern will manifest throughout consciousness. Some people will even create rank, hierarchies and authorities within themselves, ego of one rank and awareness on another, the physical, emotional and physical may be viewed with separation and levels of importance. They will see the authority of truth endowed by or coming from one part of themselves with another part dismissed as a false illusion of deception. If you see it in yourself, even within your own consciousness and inner perception there isn't much that can be done to avoid the perception on the outside. It's an inevitable expression of the inner view so cease to perceive it in consciousness and it will manifest that way in every other observation.

I agree...it's either, or, neither, nor, both, all and none of the above.....

There could be countless "reasons" to carry on but there's no guarantee you will find any of them plausible or logical to you, that doesn't mean there isn't and they aren't, just not for you. They don't even have to be reasoned by logic, they can be emotional, physical or spiritual reasons or any combination of them all. Maybe even no reason at all, just being for the enjoyment and fulfillment of being in well being. One can "make life worth living" just as much as one can 'make life not worth living', neither of the two are a default absolute that is a 'truth' for everyone and no, it doesn't speak negatively as to the state of life, it's how you interpret that from it and choose to agree with that interpretation so view it that way. Again your personal opinion is not the default absolute ad universal truth, it's your default personal truth you absolutely project onto the universe.....and apparently aren't even aware of it. Actually death requires something, there are conditions that are required for biological death to occur just as there are conditions for biological life to occur or biological life to persist. Even the perception of one doing "nothing" to keep oneself alive is actually doing something to bring about those conditions that allows for biological life to cease so bring on biological death. Are you starting to see your own conditioned bias yet? A life well lived is it's own reward, what more are you seeking than just to have a sense of well being in life? You expecting a participation trophy? Maybe a cookie... you want a cookie? That sense of well being, the fulfillment, joy and peace in it is such a precious thing, if you had it at all you wouldn't be questioning it and you surely wouldn't be attempting to distract others from it. There are people in this world who are genuinely struggling with this dilemma about life, I find your posting here disingenuous using such a tragic situation as a means to a philosophical debate so be "right" online and appease your ego as quite insensitive... but that is just my opinion.

@Mighty Mouse I'm honored that you would allow me to be a mirror for you and may the reflection you see be healing.

There are many different reasons and ways that people will seek feedback from others, it seems you have already responded here that it's about being "right". I would encourage you to observe your 'self' in your own mind's eye at the time that this particular "need" manifests in you, be aware of the thoughts, those ideas, motivations, feelings, memories, dialog and whatever else is appearing in you that is associated with this "need" in the moment it transpires. There is no one size fits all step by step advice or method to address it because each of us is unique and every situation is different, the potential variations are infinite. So this is why I suggest observing your 'self' and be aware of everything that is associated with it, the resolution usually presents itself in the manner it's manifests in us if we attune our awareness to what that is.

You so be live & so be it.

This "entirely subjective" experience you speak of is the very element you are ignoring and dismissing in asserting the "beauty of life" being absent is actually what transcends any or all of anything and everything to create it for each of us. Your personal truth and belief paradigm which limits your own potential to be fulfilled and enjoy life in your own mind does not actually limit the potential of others to be fulfilled and enjoy life in real life, your belief limits just your own.. but not others... at all...

@star ark This is why our underpants may appear to be missing and some can perpetually be searching for them.. The more specific and complicated the teaching the less likely it will apply to each of us because the lesson for every individual is as infinitely divergent as the unfulfilled potential of perception itself. ------------------------------------- Why do you believe this and make it so? This is belief.... all of it. Belief is a tool... ...for enlightening or endarkening... ...for awakening or enslumbering... ...for liberation or enslavement... ...for creation or destruction... ...or both....and or neither... ...infinitely...and absolutely. So be it

I find that "better" is a conditional term that doesn't lend itself to universal interpretation.

Opinions you agree with = honest Opinions you don't agree with = dishonest So transparent...

@Mighty Mouse You delude yourself into thinking your beliefs are facts, that much is obvious. Not to mention the OP thrashes around in this thread demanding proof and that it doesn't matter showing how much it really does matter to them yet without evidence to support their opinion.