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I surely did contemplate it and through an authentic clarity I found the genuine healing, fulfillment and peace of being in my life. If your belief system works for you then find peace in that but don't become another who projects their personal perspective onto everyone else and the universe as some 'absolute truth'. There's enough of that 'truthing' going on in this world as it is. So be it.

Wait... I 'heard' we have no free will, then we have no freedom from the 'herd'. Baha I guess that means the only difference is we are just blissful meat robots after 'enlightenment' compared to miserable ones before... right? BAHAHAHAAAAAAA!

I had a very close friend during HS, basically a best friend scenario even though we didn't go to the same HS and I had other friends in my own school but we hung out alot so shared much of those formative years experience together. Eventually I left the place I grew up and traveled around quite a bit, many different places, people, ideas, just so many divergent perspectives which also coincided with self exploration and examination. My own perspective radically changed and I gained a sense of well being and peace in life even though my life circumstances, though alluring in many respects, wasn't especially impressive by conventional standards. My friend went a more conventional route though a little delayed and when we started communicating more regularly again it was almost 10 years later I noticed a huge difference in our dispositions and perspectives in life. I often reflected on it as we started in the same exact spot but walked in opposite directions as it seemed as much peace and well being I had he had the very opposite. I tried to 'share' my experience of it by just 'being' it but eventually I realized we were too different and they were unconsciously attempting to 'share' their experience of distress and misery with me. I didn't tell them what to do or think, there was no 'teaching' or criticism, I just was 'being' it but they also were 'being' something, too. It felt like one battery fully charged connecting to a dead one results in two half charged batteries, not two fully charged ones. Even though I can charge up my experience while they drained their own and then when we connect again it was the same half assed dynamic as before. Our interactions constantly were a draining experience for me. The people we spend time with we 'share' in experience so how much of who's perspective gets 'shared' with the other is something to examine about the relationship to decide how much time to spend. Yeah, yeah, we are one, sure on some level it is that but use care and be aware of what is being 'exchanged' and 'shared' with those we are spending time with. If you spending time with them leads them to find their own peace and well being then it is a mutually healing friendship but if it leads to you being in distress and miserable then you may examine it's results and usefulness differently. There is no one size fits all advice on what to do. Only you know if they are finding their own 'charge' or just draining yours, you may be capable and satisfied with jump starting them occasionally when they are in a particularly 'uncharged' moment but always having to 'charge' your own state to be their power source is a challenging friendship to be in. Just something to consider.

This is one of those moments where I usually post BAHAHA because that is one of the most hilarious things I have read after a 25+ page thread of a spirituality topic with you giving a list of pointers but I felt an explanation was the polite thing to do and not just...... BAHAHA!

So you won't ask me about this "infinite perspective" I have experience in awareness of to see if there were any "pointers" I may have? I know I ask others questions about their perspective to better understand them although I do understand why you may not want to so contributing to the seemingly end of our conversation. Yes, it was nice chatting with you.

There is non-dual perspective but 'truth-false' is a dualism perspective and if one has experience of non-dualism in awareness this can be recognized. I can't really explain this non-dual perspective other than that it's an infinite perspective, one would observe it by having the experience of it in awareness.

I do. Which is why I question. Well, I offered one, transcending the duality perspective of truth-false so the "pointers" given wouldn't be from duality perspective.

I didn't read all you wrote but my eyes gravitated to this phrase and I'm not sure I understand what you mean. So are you suggesting the abuse I suffered as a child and all of the abuse children suffer in this world with the pain that comes with it is "self-inflicted"? I doubt you meant it this way so there must be more to this drug inspired idea you left out or haven't explored yet.

@Nahm Am I expected to comment on threads, especially the contents of a psychedelic trip like this, just because I contribute on this forum? My perspective about it is if something brings well being and peace to someone's life experience then so be it.

@Saumaya Well, according to your own words what you speak isn't if(truth) so what you say is false and even the "post enlightenment observations" are admittedly false, it's all pointing falsely. I'm not saying this about it, you are, then I have to wonder what is the point if it's all false pointing? The perspective I have in awakening differs but it seems many here only accept the "false" pointing that is consistent with "other enlightened masters". So, if this is 'false' pointers given from a perspective of duality maybe transcend it to point from non-duality without the truth-false duality. Of course, I guess it's easy to shrug off my 'post' observations since it's just all false pointing, right?

So you are saying that nothing in our every day life and the physical manifest is "truth"? Then, what is "truth"... and don't say "reality" or "what's real".... say what it is, don't give a vague abstract like "the absolute" or everything is false so what's left is truth. If this "truth" is the only thing that exists and you say everything else is false, that you are so "enlightened" to know it and are 'teaching' people about then I'm asking, what is it? Because right now it seems like your explanation of "truth" is changing...

Ok... so the physical manifest of every day life is "truth" because it doesn't go away when it's not believed in. Our senses are "truth" because they don't go away when not believed in, change is "truth" because it doesn't go away when not believed in.

I like it...haha

So is there anything in every day life, in the physical manifest, that you consider true? It seems like you are calling it all false, clarify it if this isn't accurate.

Hehehe

BAHAHA!

@Viking I don't understand why someone would have an issue with imagination. Whether it's conceptualizing divinity or unity or even conceptualizing the 'unconceptualizable' I prefer to not let it become an obstacle to my peace so I don't 'imagine' that it is an obstacle. We all 'accept as truth/exists' something even if it's nothing and this is all that belief is, an acceptance, so again I prefer not to 'believe' that 'belief' is an obstacle to me being at peace.

"Merging" implies an actual separation, whereas "realizing" unity suggests recognizing something that is.

You seem to be conflating here, 'done seeking' is his measure, not mine. Although, someone mentioned something about passive aggression that might see this comment in the same way... what do you think? I have been trying for quite awhile to leave this where it belongs, in the past, but it has repeatedly been revived and I hope now it's finally let go of...time will tell. Nothing000's questions showed a significant degree of clarity and insight but the replies were especially revealing, well, nothing I haven't seen already but revealing just the same. I'm glad you were entertained, at least it has some value! Haha! No offense taken...

Well, nearly every conversation we have you are referencing past conversations and repeatedly focusing on words or phrases I used in our conversations. You even weave them into pretend conversations you create with a mocking tone and have repeatedly posted into threads. So how else am I supposed to interpret that? Even though I have asked you to just let it go time again you don't want to leave it be, you keep revisiting it with accusatory language as if I wronged you somehow. This is why I suspect it offended you, if it didn't then just let it go already. Let's move on from the past and create a fresh dynamic in the present! Can you do this with me? Ok, I can recognize that you see them as your "observations" but it doesn't make it truth or fact, just an observation in your perception. Just like you say you aren't offended and I will accept your word on it please consider that what you think you observe may not be as you think it is about me. You once asked me to tell you something about me and I replied with it. If you ask specific questions I may explain but don't have any expectation that I will, I share as I see fit. I understand that, we all gain through our experience, that's how life works but I'm not seeing that consensus, we all have different experiences and we have differing perspectives from that. How could we possibly have any consensus in an infinite absolute? All we can hope for is to peaceably coexist. The problem I have been dealing with is people making assumptions about something being "wrong" with me based on their own observations and attempting to give me grief about it. All I'm doing is what I can to find a way to let the past go and peaceably coexist. I just said laugh if you find something funny and we can laugh together, I didn't say laugh based on what I think is funny. You actually aren't as a mind reader if that's what you thought I said instead of what I really said. Although, please I simply say to you just let it go...let's be present. Peaceably coexist in the present moment.

@Shin My apologies

Bahaha! So hilariously revealing..... yes.... "what is really wrong". Haha

You have made many accusations of me and are offended if I question you about your views. If you question me about my views I will respond to clarify if I can but I don't get offended or disturbed by it. Although, you don't often ask about my perspective or experience, you want to argue about what you accuse me of. When people say 'don't teach' to others or are saying enlightenment 'is' this and 'not' that leaves no room for any other view or suggest what they say is 'absolute truth' or suggesting that anything that differs from theirs is false they are speaking from authority. I'm not saying you did all these things, I'm just pointing out how someone is speaking from a mindset of authority. I sometimes question people who speak that way to maybe understand their perspective and why they have this 'authoritative' perspective if I can understand it at all but I don't do it to argue or disagree. Some people are disturbed by it and get offended, some just have a discussion with me and we can learn about each other's perspective by it. Sometimes all I can do is laugh, I find humor in lots of things and have nothing to say other than to laugh. If you feel laughed at it's your own sense of self that feels it and if we both are laughing we are laughing with each other. So if you find humor in my words then laugh and I will laugh with you....even if I ask what did you find funny.

I know why why are falsely portraying me as "fault finding". You "intentionally attribute certain qualities to the truth" and now you expect me to answer to your attributed "qualities" which isn't the truth but what you add and in this circumstance are a false narrative. You post smiley and laughing faces but you are "fault finding" with me laughing? I know why and find it hilarious but I will reply to what you have started with me. "I already told you once; the bottom line is, end of seeking... If your seeking has really ended, then any disagreement that can arise between us can only be semantics or you are not carefully paying attention. That is why I mentioned about 'selective attention'... Because, I have already addressed a lot of things that you disagreed with." So, that's your "bottom line"... but why do you place that on me? Why do you measure me or anyone else according to your standard... your "bottom line"? If your seeking has ended why do you seek to measure others by your own "bottom line"? Are you really done seeking? I don't disagree with you and have said this to you before, maybe you could be paying attention to what others say to you instead of concern yourself with whether they are paying careful attention to you. Who has authority in the absolute? "It looks like you are just reacting to the words based on the connotation. The word here is 'lie'. Are you when familiar with some teaching methods that have been used from time immemorial? For example, in Vedanta" You "intentionally attribute" what you think others' perspective is in false ways, why do you do that? It doesn't matter what the Vendetta says. Who has authority in the absolute? "If that is what you prefer, go ahead and do it. But why should I follow your preference? What I prefer to do is not only based on my experience, but also based on the year long research I did. You need to understand that it is you who first come up with some kind of disagreement." Yes, that is my point when I do ask if differing perspectives, even if contrasting ones, matter in whether someone will drawn a line between if someone says there 'is' and there is 'not'. It's preference and perspective. I don't draw that line even though I do recognize some things will lead to a perspective of unity and others lead to one of separation but in reality there is no line, it's only a perception of a line that our mind may see. Differing perspectives doesn't equate to disagreement unless someone sees it that way in their perception, I see unity even if it is many paths that lead to it though I may ask questions for clarity. "I have been discussing with couple of other established teachers. No one ever said 'you are teaching duality'. In fact, it was you who made this assumption in another thread" It does appear to be teaching from duality if someone is teaching a binary "is" and "is not" perspective. I wasn't the only one who questioned you about it in that thread you started with that binary theme and wasn't even the first but am I the only one you follow around to remind? "You are the one who is sounding like an authority here without even doing a research in some of the teaching methods that were used from time immemorial. And you are the one who is trying to push your preference of 'how to teach'..." I never told you don't teach it , I just ask why do you teach it? You are the one who has warned me against teaching in this thread and at other times. I speak from my experience and I do question others, I ask lots of questions of people to understand their experience if I can. Others start threads with themes about what 'is' and 'is not' enlightenment but I don't, I ask questions, even the thread I ever started was a question. Yet, you seem to find fault with my questioning so why are you disturbed by it? You are finding disagreement by me having a differing perspective and asking about yours? Immemorial? That's the past, right? Even distant past? Really? The past? Not the present... but the past? "Are you looking for a perfect flawless world or what? I am doing what the best that I can do based on my experience and based on the guidance I got...That is all I know." I coexist with what is as it is even if I ask what is it?. I am being in experience as it is even if I don't 'know' anything at all so my peace, joy and well being isn't conditional on knowing or circumstance. I don't guide others based on the guidance of others. Who has authority in the absolute?....Anyone and everyone has access in awareness so be at peace with it. I didn't respond to you for a reason, I don't care about your arguing stuff but it's clear you are disturbed by my questioning. If you really were asking me to clarify my perspective I would answer more readily but this isn't what you are asking, you are wanting to argue over stuff. I enjoy a discussion to cease self caused suffering through bringing to awareness in us the source of that suffering so there is healing and resolution in us. I don't know if this is that. Has my response satisfied what you are seeking from me, yet?

It seems like you are still seeking but I don't really care about all this stuff..... I don't know anything. I am at peace.