SOUL

Who is asking?

If one seeks the end of seeking the seeker seeks it's own end....so, it's seeker suicide so to speak.

Who is fragmented and controlled? Haha

I experience the end of experience......haha

Well, isn't that what I said? Although, just because someone tries to put separation between themselves and the suffering they caused others doesn't mean they don't pay any consequences. The prison isn't always steel and concrete, it can be thoughts and emotion, too. Anyone who is at peace in their own life, in a state of genuine well being will not intend to cause suffering in others. Their words and deeds, inspired by the thought and emotion they have will reflect the sense of well being they experience. You think you have found some rationalization by questioning if it's "bad", that's just evidence of your own suffering. You're trying to justify it by doubting if it's "bad" in hopes you can take the sting out of the misery your self induced suffering is causing you. Oh, yea, I know, I know. You now will profess to not be suffering but like I just pointed out, words and deeds reflect the inner life. If you were genuinely at peace in a state of well being you wouldn't be on this forum trying to justify suffering. You exposed your 'self'. You can let go of it the need to justify it and when your own 'self' tries to cause you suffering, you don't have to agree to it.

Who quotes themselves?

Who sees it?

Who is asking what causes the I to seek security in the abstraction?

Pain is what it is, a sensation, suffering is an ongoing and continuing pain but pain is expressed in different ways, such as physical, emotional and psychological. There are a myriad of ways that one may separate themselves from or not experience pain and suffering. I can't tell you the "why", that's your own path to discover why but I will say if you cause others to suffer eventually others will confine you in a place that you can't cause suffering to 'innocent' others anymore and the prison beatings and rapes will test whether you know what suffering is anymore.

The "absolute understanding" as you call it, is free from "relative understanding", again as you call it, but is not separate from it..... otherwise it wouldn't be nondual and is really in unity with all relative without being bound by the relative. So the freedom from the relative isn't a state of being devoid of the relative, it's that awareness of the absolute allows us to view the relative through the lens of the absolute. I'm not sure how that fits with your justification of political views but so be it.

Real and false is an illusion of duality, transcend that misperception of the mind which manifests as the concept of real and false to perceive nonduality as it is.

If this simple realization doesn't reveal the nature of it to you presently then I suggest to contemplate it in meditation. Even a finite mind can be aware of it's own awareness, then consider the infinite.

As @Nahm alluded to, the infinite is a challenge for finite mind to grasp, even with that there is finite way to experience it. Let me ask you, @SoonHei , are you aware of your own awareness? Contemplate that.

Yea, because mental masturbating esoteric conceptualizations for decades is real, right? Haha Just be..... absolute infinity.

So people believe they required more than just being present in the moment for joy, fulfillment and peace. They believe it's not belief that they have. Baha....too funny.

Beliefs.

Years of complex spiritualist concept talk won't accomplish what meditating on being present in the moment does and that is where the joy, fulfillment and peace will be found. Maybe if you stopped talking about it and start being present it might change your experience and perspective.

So you believe you don't have any beliefs.... yep, there's alot of that going around.

Everyone has belief whether they know they do or not or deny they do. @robdl

It sure is, it's all conceptualization when we are discussing like this, even when people claim it isn't or they aren't. Once we open our mouth to speak our experience we have already conceptualized it in our mind. I just prefer to simplify the ideology of mind and the path in life by just being present in the moment. It's just another way of expressing what you said in bold. There is a sense of joy, fulfillment and peace in it....and it's instantaneous.

Sure, whatever you want to believe, have at it. Peace.

Nah, I'm at peace.

This is still more complicated than I prefer to discuss but I will address this as simply as I can Cosmological time gave rise to all the natural processes that brought about our psychology of mind. The future and past exists apart from even the mind's perception of it, or psychological time as you call it. Within our consciousness we have more than one point of perspective we can be aware of. Our self conscious creates one that orients identity, this is the one you are referring to and yes, it does appear to be a single entity by it's very nature. From that which it perceives, this 'perceiver' creates it's basis of identity so is one with that experience. Though, within our consciousness there is another point of perception in awareness that is distinct from the point of perception in self conscious. That this takes place in a whole experience of consciousness it can be a challenge to recognize this distinction but once one is aware of it the clarity in consciousness can untangle identity simply. There is even a primitive point of perception in 'physiology' that the point of perception in self conscious uses primal experience to create it's identity and once one observes from the point of perception in awareness will the distinction between those other two become apparent even though it appears as a single entity in nature without it. I prefer to not get this complicated since just being present in the moment transcends all this conceptualization.

Baha..... ok, we're really done here.

You do realize that there is actual 'time' apart from the perception of it? Meditate on awareness of the edge of time, observing that will clear this all up.